Recommended cycling/walking app

[Andy Burnelli]

Already noted - thx. I use Trails - which has disappeared from the App
Store (AFAICT).

I looked at my Maps folder for Ant and it seems "Topo Reader" was
unilaterally "terminated" by iOS on my iPad, whatever that message means.

Apple has a way of making sure only apps in the walled garden remain.

[Andy Burnelli]

Is iOS' Health and Fitness apps not good enough?

Nope. They don't record cycling/walking information on their own. They
need an app.
Although they do suggest apps and Komoot looked interesting. Requires an
account, however.

Hi Chris,

I agree with any sensible person who doesn't want to be forced to create an
account to log their activities - and - especially to log their activities.

In the days when iPads had huge screens and batteries that lasted forever,
I had tested _every_ free mapping tracking viewing routing app available on
iOS a few years ago (and wrote reviews on them at the time), none of which
would I load on my iPads if they required any account to any mothership.

That's wrong to require a mothership tracking account for (almost) any app.

However, once Android batteries started lasting forever and the screens
became huge at the same time, I stopped using the iPad for any tracking.

But I opened each of the apps I used to use on my iPad just now (where the
iPad has been updated to iOS 16.3.1) and two of the three still work.
Topo Reader (which I had liked best - has been "terminated by iOS"
Topo Maps (still works) <by Pierre-Olivier Latour>
Topo Maps+ (still works) <https://topomaps.co/>

I order all my apps in order of usefulness, so it's odd that the one map
app that was good on iOS was unilaterally "terminated by iOS", but it was.

Have you ever seen that message that an app was "terminated by iOS" before?
I have not. This is a first. It's expected with Apple. But still the first.

In summary, you might wish to try one of those two topo maps apps instead.
(For some reason, they don't have "Help about" buttons to find their URL.)

[nospam]

Post by Andy Burnelli
In the days when iPads had huge screens

in what days were those?

ipad screen sizes have *increased* over the years.

Post by Andy Burnelli
However, once Android batteries started lasting forever and the screens
became huge at the same time, I stopped using the iPad for any tracking.

google's entire business model is tracking, so if tracking is what you
want, google is the way to go.

google even tracks you when you turn off location services, they're
*that* good.

always choose the best tool for the job.

Post by Andy Burnelli
Have you ever seen that message that an app was "terminated by iOS" before?

sure have.

Post by Andy Burnelli
I have not. This is a first. It's expected with Apple. But still the first.

you don't even know what it means, by your own admission, so how do you
know that it's expected or why it happened? you don't.

what *is* expected is that you invent another conspiracy theory, and
you've fulfilled that expectation.

[Andy Burnelli]

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
In the days when iPads had huge screens

in what days were those?

Your memory is that of a gnat, nospam, as I published a bunch of tutorials
on using the iPad for hiking purposes because of the screen & battery life.

Post by nospam
ipad screen sizes have *increased* over the years.

The point you whooshed on, and which I said so it just means you're stupid,
nospam, seriously... that's not even an ad hominem attack - it's a fact,
which is that Android phablets got larger and the batteries last forever
nowadays (I don't even charge overnight anymore - and haven't in a while).

Only on an iPhone are people stuck tethered to an outlet every night.

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
However, once Android batteries started lasting forever and the screens
became huge at the same time, I stopped using the iPad for any tracking.

google's entire business model is tracking, so if tracking is what you
want, google is the way to go.

You're so indoctrinated by Apple's marketing bullshit that you believe it.

You forget *Apple's business model _requires_ you to be tracked* in almost
everything that you do, nospam, and no amount of your lies changes that.

HINT: Android phones work fine (even better) without a Google Account...

Post by nospam
google even tracks you when you turn off location services, they're
*that* good.

You always claim Google made Apple do all the bad things Apple does.
Why?

You can turn off the location tracking, nospam. Well, you can't.
You're on iOS.

The iPhone won't work for most people without Apple tracking built in.

HINT: You don't need a Google account to download apps on Android
while Apple inserts a unique tracking ID into every app on iOS!

Post by nospam
always choose the best tool for the job.

At this point in time, the iPad isn't the best tool for _any_ job,
unfortunately, now that it can't even do basic hiking like it used to
(where I'm talking about the best iOS hiking app being "terminated").

If you can think of anything the iPad can do that my Android phone doesn't
already do (probably years ago even), please let me know as the only thing
I use the iPad for nowadays is (a) google voice, and (b) test your bullshit
(and you always fail).

HINT: Look at Jolly Roger's bullshit about 1Blocker I recently tested.
<Loading Image...> Works only in Safari
<Loading Image...> Firewall doesn't work
<Loading Image...> 1Blocker is crippleware

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
Have you ever seen that message that an app was "terminated by iOS" before?

sure have.

What does it even mean to be "terminated by iOS" nospam?

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
I have not. This is a first. It's expected with Apple. But still the first.

you don't even know what it means, by your own admission, so how do you
know that it's expected or why it happened? you don't.

I am nothing like you low-self-esteem iKooks. You pretend to know
everything because you were told your entire life you're stupid, nospam.
<Loading Image...>

I'm not afraid to admit I've never seen that message before.
What does it mean for an app to be "terminated by iOS", nospam?

Post by nospam
what *is* expected is that you invent another conspiracy theory, and
you've fulfilled that expectation.

What does it mean for an iPad app to be "terminated by iOS", nospam?

[nospam]

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
In the days when iPads had huge screens

in what days were those?

Your memory is that of a gnat, nospam, as I published a bunch of tutorials
on using the iPad for hiking purposes because of the screen & battery life.

your avoiding answering the question is noted.

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by nospam
ipad screen sizes have *increased* over the years.

The point you whooshed on, and which I said so it just means you're stupid,
nospam, seriously... that's not even an ad hominem attack - it's a fact,
which is that Android phablets got larger and the batteries last forever
nowadays (I don't even charge overnight anymore - and haven't in a while).

it is an ad hominem attack. it's all you can do.

the fact is that ipad screen sizes have increased.

Post by Andy Burnelli
Only on an iPhone are people stuck tethered to an outlet every night.

diversion noted, and your claim is also false.

Post by Andy Burnelli
You forget *Apple's business model _requires_ you to be tracked* in almost
everything that you do, nospam, and no amount of your lies changes that.

false.

Post by Andy Burnelli
HINT: Android phones work fine (even better) without a Google Account...

no they don't, because doing that removes a *significant* amount of
functionality.

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by nospam
google even tracks you when you turn off location services, they're
*that* good.

You always claim Google made Apple do all the bad things Apple does.
Why?

nobody claimed that, and it wasn't true the last zillion times you said
it either.

Post by Andy Burnelli
You can turn off the location tracking, nospam. Well, you can't.
You're on iOS.

false.

unlike on android, turning off location on ios actually turns it off.

Post by Andy Burnelli
The iPhone won't work for most people without Apple tracking built in.

apple doesn't track people.

but even if we are to assume your statement as true, android won't work
'for most people' without a google account.

Post by Andy Burnelli
HINT: You don't need a Google account to download apps on Android
while Apple inserts a unique tracking ID into every app on iOS!

they do not, as has been explained to you many times.

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by nospam
always choose the best tool for the job.

At this point in time, the iPad isn't the best tool for _any_ job,

false.

Post by Andy Burnelli
unfortunately, now that it can't even do basic hiking like it used to
(where I'm talking about the best iOS hiking app being "terminated").

false.

Post by Andy Burnelli
If you can think of anything the iPad can do that my Android phone doesn't
already do (probably years ago even), please let me know as the only thing
I use the iPad for nowadays is (a) google voice, and (b) test your bullshit
(and you always fail).

yawn. how many times are you going to embarrass yourself?

universal control, sidecar, stage manager, hover, fald display and a
wealth of ipad-native software.

unlike on ipad, android tablet apps are almost always phone apps on a
big screen, and it shows (not in a good way).

cue trademark rant, further proof you're lost.

Post by Andy Burnelli
HINT: Look at Jolly Roger's bullshit about 1Blocker I recently tested.

you don't know how it works so any tests you might have done are void.

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
Have you ever seen that message that an app was "terminated by iOS" before?

sure have.

What does it even mean to be "terminated by iOS" nospam?

memory pressure.

Post by Andy Burnelli
I'm not afraid to admit I've never seen that message before.

you're also not afraid to fabricate a baseless conspiracy theory as to
why it happens, without knowing any of the details.

[Andy Burnelli]

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
Your memory is that of a gnat, nospam, as I published a bunch of tutorials
on using the iPad for hiking purposes because of the screen & battery life.

your avoiding answering the question is noted.

How many times must I repeat that I used the iPad for hiking because of the
bigger screen and better battery life, both of which are almost completely
negated by the phenomenal battery life of Androids & their big'ish screens.

With those laughably puny cheap iPhone batteries, you have no idea how
wonderful it is on most Android phones (which don't have the ridiculously
cheap batteries that Apple put in the iPhone) to never need to charge your
phone overnight ever again, nospam.

You pop it on the charger when it needs it, and an hour or two later, it's
fully charged again. It's that easy with Android.

Only with iOS are you stuck tethered to a charging cable every night.

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
You forget *Apple's business model _requires_ you to be tracked* in almost
everything that you do, nospam, and no amount of your lies changes that.

false.

No other operating system, not even Windows 11 it turns out, requires a
mothership tracking account just to use the software in a normal fashion.

Only iOS.

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
HINT: Android phones work fine (even better) without a Google Account...

no they don't, because doing that removes a *significant* amount of
functionality.

Stop saying stupid things like that nospam. It makes you sound ignorant.
You know absolutely nothing about Android, nospam.

You know even less about Android than you do about iOS.
And that's not all that much given how wrong you are about iOS.

Despite you hating all facts about Apple, the fact remains a fact that
_only_ Apple inserts a unique tracking ID into every app you install.

Google doesn't.
Google can't.

Only Apple does.

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by nospam
google even tracks you when you turn off location services, they're
*that* good.

You always claim Google made Apple do all the bad things Apple does.
Why?

nobody claimed that, and it wasn't true the last zillion times you said
it either.

You only have seven excuses for why Apple does all the bad things it does.

Every time Apple does something bad the first knee jerk reaction from you
is that Google made them do it. You say this all the time, nospam.

The only thing that changes is you say Samaung made Apple do all the bad
things when you can find something Apple did that Samsung copied.

Same with Microsoft.
It's one of your seven excuses that Apple has no free will, nospam.

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
You can turn off the location tracking, nospam. Well, you can't.
You're on iOS.

false.
unlike on android, turning off location on ios actually turns it off.

Again, you know nothing about Android, nospam.
You don't even use Android devices, nospam.
You don't even own a modern iOS device for heaven's sake.

Why should you when you can just make everything up that you claim.

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
The iPhone won't work for most people without Apple tracking built in.

apple doesn't track people.

Then you tell us all why Apple inserts your unique ID into every app,
nospam. And you tell us why Apple _forces_ you to log into their mothership
tracking servers, nospam.

No other common consumer operating system does that, nospam.
Not even Windows 11. (see sig for reference)

Post by nospam
but even if we are to assume your statement as true, android won't work
'for most people' without a google account.

Why do you say stupid things, nospam?
You don't even own Android.
You have absolutely zero idea how it works.

I get it that your modus operandi is to lie like there is no tomorrow.
But stop it.

Every time you say stupid things like that it proves your ignorance.

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
HINT: You don't need a Google account to download apps on Android
while Apple inserts a unique tracking ID into every app on iOS!

they do not, as has been explained to you many times.

You can lie all you want about the unique ID that only Apple inserts into
your apps, nospam, but your lies don't change the fact that Apple does it.

*No other operating system adds a unique to you ID to your apps*

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
HINT: Look at Jolly Roger's bullshit about 1Blocker I recently tested.

you don't know how it works so any tests you might have done are void.

If you think the free 1Blocker is _not_ crippleware, nospam, then again,
it's not an ad hominem attack to say that you're incredibly stupid.

FACT: *1Blocker freeware is crippleware*

<Loading Image...> Apple forces verification
<Loading Image...> into mothership trackers
<Loading Image...> Safari & Chrome work fine
<Loading Image...> So does Youtube work fine
<Loading Image...> No problem with web pages
<Loading Image...> The walled garden fails
<Loading Image...> iMessage garden fails
<Loading Image...> FaceTime garden fails
<Loading Image...> App Store finds 1Blocker
<Loading Image...> App Store installs apps
<Loading Image...> But it won't do iCloud
<Loading Image...> 1Blocker Ad Blocker IPA
<Loading Image...> Get 1Blocker Ad Blocker
<https://i.postimg.cc/Dy4Wp4GX/mothership13.jpg> Open 1Blocker Ad Blocker
<Loading Image...> Open 1Blocker Ad Blocker
<Loading Image...> Welcome & Get Started
<Loading Image...> Enable Safari extensions
<Loading Image...> Go to Safari Settings
<Loading Image...> Safari 1Blocker setup
<Loading Image...> Enabled Safari extensions
<Loading Image...> Note 1Blocker Scripts
<Loading Image...> Enable 1Blocker Scripts
<Loading Image...> 1Blocker Script setup
<Loading Image...> Explore Premium Features
<https://i.postimg.cc/660z6Sb0/mothership24.jpg> Works only in Safari
<https://i.postimg.cc/k4PwDddj/mothership25.jpg> Firewall doesn't work
<https://i.postimg.cc/Qxf6mPpt/mothership26.jpg> 1Blocker is crippleware

One difference between you and me, nospam, is you lie & I prove what I say.

[nospam]

Post by Andy Burnelli
You pop it on the charger when it needs it, and an hour or two later, it's
fully charged again. It's that easy with Android.

it's also that easy for just about every modern consumer electronic
device with rechargeable batteries, and often quite a bit less than 'an
hour or two later'.

if your android phone takes that long to charge, then the manufacturer
must not have included the 'proper charger' in the box. or it's just a
shitty phone.

Post by Andy Burnelli
Only with iOS are you stuck tethered to a charging cable every night.

false.

iphones are among the phones with the longest run time per charge.

except for this one:
<https://helios-i.mashable.com/imagery/articles/07JAqObUYuTuodolINwV5Op/
hero-image.fill.size_1248x702.v1623384781.jpg>

<https://helios-i.mashable.com/imagery/articles/07JAqObUYuTuodolINwV5Op/
images-2.fill.size_2000x1125.v1611700889.jpg>

<Loading Image...>

Post by Andy Burnelli
Again, you know nothing about Android, nospam.
You don't even use Android devices, nospam.
You don't even own a modern iOS device for heaven's sake.

you got three out of three wrong.

good work!

Post by Andy Burnelli
If you think the free 1Blocker is _not_ crippleware, nospam, then again,
it's not an ad hominem attack to say that you're incredibly stupid.
FACT: *1Blocker freeware is crippleware*

it has a free tier with paid options, just like countless other apps on
all platforms.

it's also not the only option for content blocking.

your fixation with one single app, which you do not even understand how
it works, demonstrates ignorance.

Post by Andy Burnelli
One difference between you and me, nospam, is I lie & you prove what you say.

ftfy

[Andy Burnelli]

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
You pop it on the charger when it needs it, and an hour or two later, it's
fully charged again. It's that easy with Android.

it's also that easy for just about every modern consumer electronic
device with rechargeable batteries, and often quite a bit less than 'an
hour or two later'.

What you don't understand is Apple put cheap batteries into the iPhone.
They won't last as many cycles as the better batteries in Androids, nospam.

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
Only with iOS are you stuck tethered to a charging cable every night.

false.

Apple put cheap batteries in the iPhone and all your denials don't change
that fact which is _easily_ proven simply by looking at the AH ratings.

They won't last as many cycles as the better batteries in Androids, nospam.

Post by nospam
iphones are among the phones with the longest run time per charge.

Based on physics, iPhones will die _years_ sooner than Androids simply
because you lose a given percentage of initial capacity over time.

That you are ignorant of that fact proves how little you know, nospam.

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
FACT: *1Blocker freeware is crippleware*

it has a free tier with paid options, just like countless other apps on
all platforms.

For you to claim the free 1Blocker app isn't crippleware is preposterous.
It doesn't do anything but a single filter & even then, only in Safari.

The free 1Blocker is nothing but crippleware no matter what you claim.

Post by nospam
it's also not the only option for content blocking.

Free functionality of iOS _always_ is vastly inferior to Android, nospam.
The free 1Blocker is nothing but crippleware no matter what you claim.

Post by nospam
your fixation with one single app, which you do not even understand how
it works, demonstrates ignorance.

Compare _any_ free iOS app functionality to that of this free app, nospam:
<https://netguard.me/>

FACT:
*The free functionality on iOS pales in comparison to that of Android*

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
One difference between you and me, nospam, is I lie & you prove what you say.

ftfy

Notice you always turn into a child whenever confronted with facts, nospam.
If you iKooks left this newsgroup, the group would be civil without you.

[nospam]

Post by Andy Burnelli
Apple put cheap batteries in the iPhone and all your denials don't change
that fact which is _easily_ proven simply by looking at the AH ratings.

the ah rating has nothing to do with cheapness.

also, comparing ah rating between completely different hardware is
meaningless.

Post by Andy Burnelli
They won't last as many cycles as the better batteries in Androids, nospam.

false.

the batteries in both iphones and the 'better batteries in androids'
(weasel words) are lithium polymer batteries.

the difference is that android hardware is less power efficient.

now go look at the batteries in the cheap android phones.

Post by Andy Burnelli
Notice I turn into a child whenever confronted with facts.
If I left this newsgroup, the group would be civil without me.

ftfy

[Andy Burnelli]

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
Apple put cheap batteries in the iPhone and all your denials don't change
that fact which is _easily_ proven simply by looking at the AH ratings.

the ah rating has nothing to do with cheapness.

There are _many_ news reports that Apple cheaped out on iPhone batteries.

That you're ignorant of that, even as we covered this topic in gory detail
on this very newsgroup, is typical of you iKooks who will remain ignorant.

Post by nospam
also, comparing ah rating between completely different hardware is
meaningless.

Cycles nospam. Battery charge/recharge cycles, nospam.

That you're completely ignorant of battery charge/discharge cycles is
typical for you iKooks, who only know what Apple marketing feeds you.

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
They won't last as many cycles as the better batteries in Androids, nospam.

false.

That you are ignorant of physics, is typical for you iKooks, nospam.

Post by nospam
the batteries in both iphones and the 'better batteries in androids'
(weasel words) are lithium polymer batteries.
the difference is that android hardware is less power efficient.
now go look at the batteries in the cheap android phones.

My _free_ Android phone has a better battery than any battery ever put into
any iPhone ever built, nospam - and that you can't comprehend that is
typical for you iKooks (mine is 5 amp hours - and that's not even large).

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
Notice I turn into a child whenever confronted with facts.
If I left this newsgroup, the group would be civil without me.

ftfy

You do that because you're unable to respond to facts as an adult, nospam.

The facts are incontrovertible that Apple put cheap batteries in the iPhone
which, over time, will fail far sooner than the larger better batteries.

Do you really think Apple "cared" about you when they put those laughably
puny batteries in the expensive iPhones, nospam? Seriously. Think for once.

[nospam]

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
Apple put cheap batteries in the iPhone and all your denials don't change
that fact which is _easily_ proven simply by looking at the AH ratings.

the ah rating has nothing to do with cheapness.

There are _many_ news reports that Apple cheaped out on iPhone batteries.

no there aren't, and again, that's unrelated to ah ratings.

Post by Andy Burnelli
That you're completely ignorant of battery charge/discharge cycles is
typical for you iKooks, who only know what Apple marketing feeds you.

battery technology is the same for most modern devices (lithium ion or
lithium polymer), which means the cycle counts will be the same (aside
from individual variances).

further, cycle count is unrelated to ah rating.

you're very ignorant about a lot of things.

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by nospam
the batteries in both iphones and the 'better batteries in androids'
(weasel words) are lithium polymer batteries.
the difference is that android hardware is less power efficient.
now go look at the batteries in the cheap android phones.

My _free_ Android phone

unless you stole it (something which cannot be ruled out), it wasn't
free.

Post by Andy Burnelli
has a better battery than any battery ever put into
any iPhone ever built,

you're delusional.

[Nil]

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
There are _many_ news reports that Apple cheaped out on iPhone batteries.

no there aren't, and again, that's unrelated to ah ratings.

He's right. We discussed this. With many details. You forget easily.

Apple put cheap boards & separators and cheaper smaller batteries to lower
cost (for Apple) around the iPhone 12 time frame and then Apple got hungry
and kept it cheap for battery components in the later iPhones after that.

Go back to the archives and look at the references you ignored saying that.

[nospam]

Post by Nil
Apple put cheap boards & separators and cheaper smaller batteries to lower
cost (for Apple) around the iPhone 12 time frame and then Apple got hungry
and kept it cheap for battery components in the later iPhones after that.

that is absolutely false.

Post by Nil
Go back to the archives and look at the references you ignored saying that.

do that yourself and try to understand what those references actually
say, versus what you want them to say.

[Nil]

Post by nospam

Post by Nil
Apple put cheap boards & separators and cheaper smaller batteries to lower
cost (for Apple) around the iPhone 12 time frame and then Apple got hungry
and kept it cheap for battery components in the later iPhones after that.

that is absolutely false.

You say that but you provide nothing but indignation because it's true.

Post by nospam

Post by Nil
Go back to the archives and look at the references you ignored saying that.

do that yourself and try to understand what those references actually
say, versus what you want them to say.

You never reads the news of what Apple does given that Apple putting cheap
boards and components starting with the iPhone 12 is very well documented.

[Jolly Roger]

Post by Nil

Post by nospam

Post by Nil
Apple put cheap boards & separators and cheaper smaller batteries to
lower cost (for Apple) around the iPhone 12 time frame and then
Apple got hungry and kept it cheap for battery components in the
later iPhones after that.

that is absolutely false.

You say that but you provide nothing but indignation because it's true.

The burden of proof is on you since you are making the (obviously false)
claim.

[Alan]

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by Nil

Post by nospam

Post by Nil
Apple put cheap boards & separators and cheaper smaller batteries to
lower cost (for Apple) around the iPhone 12 time frame and then
Apple got hungry and kept it cheap for battery components in the
later iPhones after that.

that is absolutely false.

You say that but you provide nothing but indignation because it's true.

The burden of proof is on you since you are making the (obviously false)
claim.

Hitchen's Razor.

[Alan Browne]

Post by Alan
Hitchen's Razor

a nice complement to:
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
-Carl Sagan. (and others before him).

[Nil]

Post by Alan Browne
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

How about normal claims require normal evidence which is that it's
already well documented because it's true & everyone but you knows this.

It's a toss up if Alan Baker or Jolly Roger or nospam is more ignorant than
Alan Browne, which I wanted to point out because if the four of them left
this newsgroup, it would approach the normality of other Usenet newsgroups.

Everyone knows, but the iKooks, what Apple did...

<https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/21/21394985/apple-iphone-12-battery-cost-5g-kuo>
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/21/apple-to-offset-cost-of-5g-iphone-components-with-cheaper-battery-tech>
<https://www.maticstoday.com/2020/08/21/why-apple-is-using-cheap-battery-parts-in-iphone-12/>
<https://9to5mac.com/2020/08/21/kuo-iphone-12-5g-component-cost/>
<https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-iphone-12-to-use-smaller-cheaper-battery>
<https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/20/kuo-iphone-12-battery-board/>
<https://www.timesnownews.com/technology-science/article/apple-opting-for-cheaper-battery-parts-to-cut-costs-on-5g-iphone-12-analyst-ming-chi-kuo/640657>
<https://techlog360.com/apple-will-use-cheaper-parts-in-the-iphone-12/>
<https://www.phonearena.com/news/apple-to-skimp-on-battery-tech-for-5g-iPhones-says-Kuo_id126708>

Notice that the iKooks all denied without even *thinking* about it.
They just don't like what Apple did so they deny that Apple did it.

Even Apple doesn't deny it.
Just the iKooks.

If they iKooks this newsgroup, it would approach normalcy of other groups.

[Alan]

Post by Nil

Post by Alan Browne
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

How about normal claims require normal evidence which is that it's
already well documented because it's true & everyone but you knows this.
It's a toss up if Alan Baker or Jolly Roger or nospam is more ignorant than
Alan Browne, which I wanted to point out because if the four of them left
this newsgroup, it would approach the normality of other Usenet newsgroups.
Everyone knows, but the iKooks, what Apple did...
<https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/21/21394985/apple-iphone-12-battery-cost-5g-kuo>

References a report by one analyst.

Post by Nil
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/21/apple-to-offset-cost-of-5g-iphone-components-with-cheaper-battery-tech>

References the same primary source.

Post by Nil
<https://www.maticstoday.com/2020/08/21/why-apple-is-using-cheap-battery-parts-in-iphone-12/>

Same source

Post by Nil
<https://9to5mac.com/2020/08/21/kuo-iphone-12-5g-component-cost/>

Same...

Post by Nil
<https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-iphone-12-to-use-smaller-cheaper-battery>

Same...

Post by Nil
<https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/20/kuo-iphone-12-battery-board/>

Same...

Post by Nil
<https://www.timesnownews.com/technology-science/article/apple-opting-for-cheaper-battery-parts-to-cut-costs-on-5g-iphone-12-analyst-ming-chi-kuo/640657>

Same...

Post by Nil
<https://techlog360.com/apple-will-use-cheaper-parts-in-the-iphone-12/>

Same...

Post by Nil
<https://www.phonearena.com/news/apple-to-skimp-on-battery-tech-for-5g-iPhones-says-Kuo_id126708>

And still the same.

So what you really have is ONE report by ONE analyst...

...who is far from all-knowing.

Post by Nil
Notice that the iKooks all denied without even *thinking* about it.

Notice that you tried make one piece of evidence look like nine.

Post by Nil
They just don't like what Apple did so they deny that Apple did it.
Even Apple doesn't deny it.
Just the iKooks.
If they iKooks this newsgroup, it would approach normalcy of other groups.

Notice also that Arlen has added a new posting nym.

[Jolly Roger]

Post by Alan

Post by Nil

Post by Alan Browne
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

How about normal claims require normal evidence which is that it's
already well documented because it's true & everyone but you knows this.
It's a toss up if Alan Baker or Jolly Roger or nospam is more
ignorant than Alan Browne, which I wanted to point out because if the
four of them left this newsgroup, it would approach the normality of
other Usenet newsgroups.
Everyone knows, but the iKooks, what Apple did...

So what you really have is ONE report by ONE analyst...
...who is far from all-knowing.

It's a rumor. The rumor didn't state Apple would use inferior batteries
- just a reduction in rigid-flex battery board layers to squeeze active
cell components into a smaller area. And there's no actual evidence of
what the rumor did claim.

Post by Alan

Post by Nil
If they iKooks this newsgroup, it would approach normalcy of other groups.

Notice also that Arlen has added a new posting nym.

He's been using this one for a while, but yes.

[Bob Campbell]

Post by Jolly Roger
The burden of proof is on you since you are making the (obviously false)
claim.

Since the claim IS false, it will be funny (again) when The Trolls link to
an opinion piece that agrees with THEIR opinion on the matter, and thus
claim “Here this link proves my claim!”

As always, it is to laugh.

[nospam]

Post by Bob Campbell
Since the claim IS false, it will be funny (again) when The Trolls link to
an opinion piece that agrees with THEIR opinion on the matter, and thus
claim ³Here this link proves my claim!²
As always, it is to laugh.

it's even better when they link to something that says the opposite of
what they're claiming. it saves everyone else a lot of work.

[Nil]

Post by nospam
it's even better when they link to something that says the opposite of
what they're claiming. it saves everyone else a lot of work.

You just deny whatever it is about Apple that you don't happen to like.

And yet, everyone knows it was well documented that Apple cheaped out on
the iPhone 12 batteries (both the boards and the other components).

Everyone but you.

I want to show how not normal people like you are who deny things
without knowing a single thing about what it is they are denying.

[Alan]

Post by Nil

Post by nospam
it's even better when they link to something that says the opposite of
what they're claiming. it saves everyone else a lot of work.

You just deny whatever it is about Apple that you don't happen to like.
And yet, everyone knows it was well documented that Apple cheaped out on
the iPhone 12 batteries (both the boards and the other components).
Everyone but you.
I want to show how not normal people like you are who deny things
without knowing a single thing about what it is they are denying.

A simple example of this "documentation" would have served better than
all that verbiage.

[Nil]

Post by Alan
A simple example of this "documentation" would have served better than
all that verbiage.

I wanted to show everyone how you are ignorant of everything about Apple.

You're not a normal person in that it was provided to you so many times
already, and you deny it was provided because your brain can't read it.

You didn't read the documentation then, why would you read it now?

You will deny everything about Apple just because you don't like it.
It wouldn't even occur to your tiny Neanderthal brain to look it up.

<https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/21/21394985/apple-iphone-12-battery-cost-5g-kuo>
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/21/apple-to-offset-cost-of-5g-iphone-components-with-cheaper-battery-tech>
<https://www.maticstoday.com/2020/08/21/why-apple-is-using-cheap-battery-parts-in-iphone-12/>
<https://9to5mac.com/2020/08/21/kuo-iphone-12-5g-component-cost/>
<https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-iphone-12-to-use-smaller-cheaper-battery>
<https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/20/kuo-iphone-12-battery-board/>
<https://www.timesnownews.com/technology-science/article/apple-opting-for-cheaper-battery-parts-to-cut-costs-on-5g-iphone-12-analyst-ming-chi-kuo/640657>
<https://techlog360.com/apple-will-use-cheaper-parts-in-the-iphone-12/>
<https://www.phonearena.com/news/apple-to-skimp-on-battery-tech-for-5g-iPhones-says-Kuo_id126708>

Notice that the iKooks all denied without even *thinking* about it.
Jolly Roger. nospam. Alan Baker. Alan Browne.

They all denied what they were informed of many times already.
They just don't like what Apple did so they deny that Apple did it.

Even Apple doesn't deny it.
Just the iKooks.

If the 4 iKooks this newsgroup, it would approach normalcy of other groups.

[Alan]

Post by Nil

Post by Alan
A simple example of this "documentation" would have served better than
all that verbiage.

I wanted to show everyone how you are ignorant of everything about Apple.

And I've just shown that you're not bright enough to realize you've
reference one report by one analyst as if it were nine.

[Jolly Roger]

Post by Alan

Post by Nil

Post by Alan
A simple example of this "documentation" would have served better
than all that verbiage.

I wanted to show everyone how you are ignorant of everything about Apple.

And I've just shown that you're not bright enough to realize you've
reference one report by one analyst as if it were nine.

Not only that, but it's just a rumor from an analyst who didn't say
Apple was using inferior batteries, but that he believes Apple "will
reduce the number of rigid-flex battery board layers and squeeze active
cell components into a smaller area".

[Nil]

Post by Jolly Roger
Not only that, but it's just a rumor from an analyst who didn't say
Apple was using inferior batteries, but that he believes Apple "will
reduce the number of rigid-flex battery board layers and squeeze active
cell components into a smaller area".

I waited to provide the references to show how ignorant you iKooks are.
All you ignorant iKooks disputed it without even KNOWING about it.

Without you four ignorant iKooks, this newsgroup would approach normalcy.

Jolly Roger
nospam
Alan Brown
Alan Baker

Apple couldn't dispute it and yet you disputed it without even knowing it.
That's how ignorant all you iKooks are about everything that Apple does.

[Alan]

Post by Nil

Post by Jolly Roger
Not only that, but it's just a rumor from an analyst who didn't say
Apple was using inferior batteries, but that he believes Apple "will
reduce the number of rigid-flex battery board layers and squeeze active
cell components into a smaller area".

I waited to provide the references to show how ignorant you iKooks are.
All you ignorant iKooks disputed it without even KNOWING about it.

I knew about that.

I also knew it was without any evidence to back it up.

[Nil]

Post by Alan
I knew about that.

You did not and that is why I waited because I wanted to show that you
ignorant iKooks not only don't know anything about what Apple does, but you
will deny on sight anything that Apple does that you simply do not like.

Like you did here. And like you always do.

The instant you ignorant iKooks leave this group, it will be normal again.

[Alan]

Post by Nil

Post by Alan
I knew about that.

You did not and that is why I waited because I wanted to show that you
ignorant iKooks not only don't know anything about what Apple does, but you
will deny on sight anything that Apple does that you simply do not like.

I knew that Kuo had made a CLAIM.

And you haven't shown anything that proves Apple DID anything in particular.

[Nil]

Post by Alan
I knew that Kuo had made a CLAIM.

You had too many chances to mention if you knew it and you never did.
You repeatedly, over & over, denied it ONLY because you didn't like it.

[Alan]

Post by Nil

Post by Alan
I knew that Kuo had made a CLAIM.

You had too many chances to mention if you knew it and you never did.
You repeatedly, over & over, denied it ONLY because you didn't like it.

Really?

Show a single example of me denying it.

[Nil]

Post by Alan
Show a single example of me denying it.

Show a single example of you knowing about it before I told you about it.
You're a liar that you "knew about it" which is what you're covering up.
I gave you way too many chances to say you knew about it - and you didn't.
You lied all along.
You don't know what everyone else knew, but you.

[Alan]

Post by Nil

Post by Alan
Show a single example of me denying it.

Show a single example of you knowing about it before I told you about it.

Sorry, but that's not at issue, Arlen.

You made an explicit claim that I had denied something.

Now put up or shut up.

[Jolly Roger]

Post by Nil

Post by Alan
I knew that Kuo had made a CLAIM.

You had too many chances to mention if you knew it

Nobody but you cares this much about baseless rumors, dummy.

[Nil]

Post by Jolly Roger
Nobody but you cares this much about baseless rumors, dummy.

What I cared about was showing you denied everything you didn't like
about Apple without you ever having known a single thing about Apple.

[Alan]

Post by Nil

Post by Jolly Roger
Nobody but you cares this much about baseless rumors, dummy.

What I cared about was showing you denied everything you didn't like
about Apple without you ever having known a single thing about Apple.

Like you deny your own name, Arlen...

...or whoever is actually behind all the nyms.

[Nil]

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by Nil
You say that but you provide nothing but indignation because it's true.

The burden of proof is on you since you are making the (obviously false)
claim.

I wanted to first prove how ignorant you are of all the news everyone else
knows because everyone but you reads the news about what Apple does.

Even better, I wanted to show you deny everything that you don't like.
You don't even *think* for a second before you deny what everyone knows.

[Alan]

Post by Nil

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by Nil
You say that but you provide nothing but indignation because it's true.

The burden of proof is on you since you are making the (obviously false)
claim.

I wanted to first prove how ignorant you are of all the news everyone else
knows because everyone but you reads the news about what Apple does.
Even better, I wanted to show you deny everything that you don't like.
You don't even *think* for a second before you deny what everyone knows.

And STILL you don't provide a shred of this "news" you claim exists.

[Alan]

Post by Nil

Post by nospam

Post by Nil
Apple put cheap boards & separators and cheaper smaller batteries to lower
cost (for Apple) around the iPhone 12 time frame and then Apple got hungry
and kept it cheap for battery components in the later iPhones after that.

that is absolutely false.

You say that but you provide nothing but indignation because it's true.

Sorry, but it is the responsibility of those making the claim to support it.

So whatcha got?

Post by Nil

Post by nospam

Post by Nil
Go back to the archives and look at the references you ignored saying that.

do that yourself and try to understand what those references actually
say, versus what you want them to say.

You never reads the news of what Apple does given that Apple putting cheap
boards and components starting with the iPhone 12 is very well documented.

And yet...

..you haven't provided ANY documentation.

Weird, huh?

[Jolly Roger]

Post by nospam

Post by Nil
Apple put cheap boards & separators and cheaper smaller batteries to lower
cost (for Apple) around the iPhone 12 time frame and then Apple got hungry
and kept it cheap for battery components in the later iPhones after that.

that is absolutely false.

He's basing it on a *rumor* by an analyst who stated that he believes
Apple "will reduce the number of rigid-flex battery board layers and
squeeze active cell components", which doesn't mean the board layers are
inferior in construction, nor that the batteries would necessarily have
reduced performance or capacity:

<https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/21/apple-to-offset-cost-of-5g-iphone-components-with-cheaper-battery-tech>

He used the words "Apple cheaped out" in order to suggest Apple's
putting out crap batteries, which is not what the rumor claims, and more
importantly has no actual evidence to back it up.

[Jolly Roger]

Post by Nil

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
There are _many_ news reports that Apple cheaped out on iPhone batteries.

no there aren't, and again, that's unrelated to ah ratings.

He's right.

Nope. And until either one of you coughs up objectively verified
evidence of Apple supposedly "cheaping out on batteries", everyone else
will just assume you're full of shit.

[Nil]

Post by Jolly Roger
Nope. And until either one of you coughs up objectively verified
evidence of Apple supposedly "cheaping out on batteries", everyone else
will just assume you're full of shit.

You deny it.
Only because you don't like it.

It's the kind of person you are which almost nobody normal is.
Just you.

Most people *think* before they deny what everyone else knows.
But not you.

Everyone but you knows about Apple putting cheap battery components in the
iPhone 12, and you deny it without even *thinking* about it for a second.

What's wrong with you?

[Alan]

Post by Nil

Post by Jolly Roger
Nope. And until either one of you coughs up objectively verified
evidence of Apple supposedly "cheaping out on batteries", everyone else
will just assume you're full of shit.

You deny it.
Only because you don't like it.
It's the kind of person you are which almost nobody normal is.
Just you.
Most people *think* before they deny what everyone else knows.
But not you.
Everyone but you knows about Apple putting cheap battery components in the
iPhone 12, and you deny it without even *thinking* about it for a second.
What's wrong with you?

Still waiting for your to prove it's actually happened.

[Nil]

Post by Alan
Still waiting for your to prove it's actually happened.

You were provided the links.

You didn't read them.
Why not?

I know why.
You just want to deny everything about Apple that you don't like.

Things like cheap iPhone 12 battery components that Apple doesn't deny.]
Just you deny it.

Nobody else.
Just you.

You don't even *think* about what it is that you are denying.
If you knew anything about Apple, you couldn't deny it.

Especially since it's so well documented, only an idiot would deny it.
That idiot is you.

Everyone knows, except you, Apple cheaped out on the iPhone 12 batteries.
Look it up yourself before denying it again and again and again.

[Alan]

Post by Nil

Post by Alan
Still waiting for your to prove it's actually happened.

You were provided the links.

You're lying.

[Nil]

Post by Alan

Post by Nil
You were provided the links.

You're lying.

I wanted to show everyone how you are ignorant of everything about Apple.

You will deny everything about Apple just because you don't like it.
It wouldn't even occur to your tiny Neanderthal brain to look it up.

<https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/21/21394985/apple-iphone-12-battery-cost-5g-kuo>
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/21/apple-to-offset-cost-of-5g-iphone-components-with-cheaper-battery-tech>
<https://www.maticstoday.com/2020/08/21/why-apple-is-using-cheap-battery-parts-in-iphone-12/>
<https://9to5mac.com/2020/08/21/kuo-iphone-12-5g-component-cost/>
<https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-iphone-12-to-use-smaller-cheaper-battery>
<https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/20/kuo-iphone-12-battery-board/>
<https://www.timesnownews.com/technology-science/article/apple-opting-for-cheaper-battery-parts-to-cut-costs-on-5g-iphone-12-analyst-ming-chi-kuo/640657>
<https://techlog360.com/apple-will-use-cheaper-parts-in-the-iphone-12/>
<https://www.phonearena.com/news/apple-to-skimp-on-battery-tech-for-5g-iPhones-says-Kuo_id126708>

Notice the iKooks all denied everything without even *thinking* about it.
Jolly Roger. nospam. Alan Baker. Alan Browne.

They all denied what they were informed of many times already.
They just don't like what Apple did so they deny that Apple did it.

Even Apple doesn't deny it.
Just the iKooks.

If the 4 iKooks this newsgroup, it would approach normalcy of other groups.

[Alan]

Post by Nil

Post by Alan

Post by Nil
You were provided the links.

You're lying.

I wanted to show everyone how you are ignorant of everything about Apple.

And I've just shown that you're not bright enough to realize you've
referenced one report by one analyst as if it were nine.

[Jolly Roger]

Post by Nil

Post by Alan
Still waiting for your to prove it's actually happened.

You were provided the links.

Links to an analyst claiming he believed something might happen aren't
proof of something actually happening, child.

[Nil]

Post by Jolly Roger
Links to an analyst claiming he believed something might happen aren't
proof of something actually happening, child.

I waited to provide the references because I wanted everyone to know that
you are ignorant of everything about Apple (you don't ever read the news).

Even Apple couldn't dispute it because if they could, they would.
And they didn't. Because they can't.

[Alan]

Post by Nil

Post by Jolly Roger
Links to an analyst claiming he believed something might happen aren't
proof of something actually happening, child.

I waited to provide the references because I wanted everyone to know that
you are ignorant of everything about Apple (you don't ever read the news).
Even Apple couldn't dispute it because if they could, they would.
And they didn't. Because they can't.

Or they just didn't feel the need.

iPhone battery LIFE is completely competitive with other companies'
offerings.

[Nil]

Post by Alan
Or they just didn't feel the need.

What matters is I waited to give you many chances to prove you knew
"something" (anything!) when you flatly denied everything Apple does.

You didn't.
You denied everything (without thinking!) because you didn't like it.

It's always the case you ignorant iKooks don't even read the news.
The sooner you leave this newsgroup, the better for everyone else.

[Alan]

Post by Nil

Post by Alan
Or they just didn't feel the need.

What matters is I waited to give you many chances to prove you knew
"something" (anything!) when you flatly denied everything Apple does.

I haven't denied anything...

...because you haven't yet show that Apple DID anything.

Post by Nil
You didn't.
You denied everything (without thinking!) because you didn't like it.
It's always the case you ignorant iKooks don't even read the news.
The sooner you leave this newsgroup, the better for everyone else.

The sooner you produce actual evidence that Apple has used batteries
that are actually somehow inferior...

[Andy Burnelli]

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
There are _many_ news reports that Apple cheaped out on iPhone batteries.

no there aren't, and again, that's unrelated to ah ratings.

I used to think you lie when you brazenly deny what even Apple doesn't.
But you're just ignorant of everything Apple does with the iPhone, nospam.

References on the small _and_ cheap batteries in the iPhone 12 (since
apologists are desperate to refute all facts about Apple they don't like).
*Apple put cheap batteries and boards into the iPhone 12 for profit*
<https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/21/21394985/apple-iphone-12-battery-cost-5g-kuo>
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/21/apple-to-offset-cost-of-5g-iphone-components-with-cheaper-battery-tech>
<https://www.maticstoday.com/2020/08/21/why-apple-is-using-cheap-battery-parts-in-iphone-12/>
<https://9to5mac.com/2020/08/21/kuo-iphone-12-5g-component-cost/>
<https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-iphone-12-to-use-smaller-cheaper-battery>
<https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/20/kuo-iphone-12-battery-board/>
<https://www.timesnownews.com/technology-science/article/apple-opting-for-cheaper-battery-parts-to-cut-costs-on-5g-iphone-12-analyst-ming-chi-kuo/640657>
<https://techlog360.com/apple-will-use-cheaper-parts-in-the-iphone-12/>
<https://www.phonearena.com/news/apple-to-skimp-on-battery-tech-for-5g-iPhones-says-Kuo_id126708>

Calling out your ignorance isn't even an ad hominem attack, nospam.

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
That you're completely ignorant of battery charge/discharge cycles is
typical for you iKooks, who only know what Apple marketing feeds you.

battery technology is the same for most modern devices (lithium ion or
lithium polymer), which means the cycle counts will be the same (aside
from individual variances).
further, cycle count is unrelated to ah rating.
you're very ignorant about a lot of things.

It's no longer shocking that you know nothing about battery technology.
Even Apple says their batteries will die sooner because of the low capacity.

It's no longer shocking you deny even what Apple doesn't deny, nospam.

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by nospam
the batteries in both iphones and the 'better batteries in androids'
(weasel words) are lithium polymer batteries.
the difference is that android hardware is less power efficient.
now go look at the batteries in the cheap android phones.

My _free_ Android phone

unless you stole it (something which cannot be ruled out), it wasn't
free.

Your ignorance is no longer shocking, especially as we have entire
threads on this topic where it was almost _completely_ free nospam.

All I had to pay was the tax on the MSRP and nothing else cost anything.
<Loading Image...> $15/mo iPhone,$0/mo Android

Not only that, but they _increased_ the high speed data limits
from 5GB/month to unlimited, and that included the 5G data too.

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
has a better battery than any battery ever put into
any iPhone ever built,

you're delusional.

Do you even know why Apple put those cheap batteries in iPhones, nospam?
HINT: Nobody puts _smaller_ batteries in their flagship lines than Apple.

[Jolly Roger]

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
If you think the free 1Blocker is _not_ crippleware, nospam, then
again, it's not an ad hominem attack to say that you're incredibly
stupid.
FACT: *1Blocker freeware is crippleware*

it has a free tier with paid options, just like countless other apps
on all platforms.
it's also not the only option for content blocking.
your fixation with one single app, which you do not even understand
how it works, demonstrates ignorance.

He's only fixated on it because I happened to recommend it (among others
like AdGuard) for blocking ads in Safari, which it does for FREE without
any in-app purchases. : )

Arlen desperately wants to paint it as "crippleware" simply because it
has additional features (such as whole-device ad blocking) that can be
enabled with an in-app purchase. And as you say, countless apps on the
App Store have free functionality with optional in-app purchases for
additional functionality. And like all of those other apps, any adult
can plainly see that 1Blocker's basic ad blocking functionality is
indeed completely FREE. Same with AdGuard and numerous other iOS ad
blockers. Arlen desperately wants us to ignore these FACTS, because he
is driven by his FEELINGS of irrational hate. He's a loser.

[Andy Burnelli]

Post by Jolly Roger
He's only fixated on it because I happened to recommend it (among others
like AdGuard) for blocking ads in Safari, which it does for FREE without
any in-app purchases. : )

You forget, Jolly Roger, that I own & use _both_ iOS & Android platforms.
You do not.

In fact, you iKooks are completely ignorant of what's outside the confines
of the walled garden that you feel so fantastically safe locked inside of.

It's almost always the case free software is crippled on iOS vs Android.
What you call "fixated", Jolly Roger, is I faithfully _tested_ 1Blocker.

FACT:
*In its free form, 1Blocker is worthless crippleware*, Jolly Roger.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Qxf6mPpt/mothership26.jpg> 1Blocker is crippleware

Compare, for example, that crippleware with the free equivalent on Android.
<https://netguard.me/>
There is _nothing_ on iOS doing even half of what that FOSS NetGuard does.
<Loading Image...>

Post by Jolly Roger
He desperately wants to paint it as "crippleware" simply because it
has additional features (such as whole-device ad blocking) that can be
enabled with an in-app purchase.

Jolly Roger,
Do you understand what the _free_ Netguard does for Android users?
(*Or are you completely _ignorant_ of everything you speak about*)?

Read what the free FOSS NetGuard does, for an example of functionality:
<https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard/releases>

Post by Jolly Roger
And as you say, countless apps on the
App Store have free functionality with optional in-app purchases for
additional functionality. And like all of those other apps, any adult
can plainly see that 1Blocker's basic ad blocking functionality is
indeed completely FREE. Same with AdGuard and numerous other iOS ad
blockers. He desperately wants us to ignore these FACTS, because he
is driven by his FEELINGS of irrational hate. He's a loser.

If you think the free 1Blocker is great functionality, Jolly Roger,
then that just proves that you are too ignorant to evaluate software.

Compare the free 1Blocker lack of functionality, Jolly Roger, for example,
to the free FOSS NetGuard functionality that Android owners easily enjoy.
<https://raw.githubusercontent.com/M66B/NetGuard/master/screenshots/01-main.png>
<Loading Image...>
<Loading Image...>
<Loading Image...>

[Alan]

Post by Andy Burnelli

Already noted - thx.  I use Trails - which has disappeared from the
App Store (AFAICT).

I looked at my Maps folder for Ant and it seems "Topo Reader" was
unilaterally "terminated" by iOS on my iPad, whatever that message means.
Apple has a way of making sure only apps in the walled garden remain.

<https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/topo-reader/id940309979>

"Requires iPadOS 14.0 or later"

[Andy Burnelli]

And no. 100% charge is not good for Li-ion. Why Apple have their
"smarts" to charge it to 80% ... leave it there, then top it to 100% in
the time before one typically takes it off the charger. (iphones anyway
- not sure about the Watch).

optimized battery charging is also available on the watch.

Just making the salient observation that those laughably puny sub par
iPhone batteries suffer similarly due to Apple's el cheapo' batteries.

[Alan]

Post by Andy Burnelli

And no.  100% charge is not good for Li-ion.  Why Apple have their
"smarts" to charge it to 80% ... leave it there, then top it to 100%
in the time before one typically takes it off the charger. (iphones
anyway - not sure about the Watch).

optimized battery charging is also available on the watch.

Just making the salient observation that those laughably puny sub par
iPhone batteries suffer similarly due to Apple's el cheapo' batteries.

You've yet to show that any Apple batteries are substantially different
than the batteries used in other companies' products.

[Jolly Roger]

Post by Alan

Post by Andy Burnelli

And no.  100% charge is not good for Li-ion.  Why Apple have their
"smarts" to charge it to 80% ... leave it there, then top it to
100% in the time before one typically takes it off the charger.
(iphones anyway - not sure about the Watch).

optimized battery charging is also available on the watch.

Just making the salient observation that those laughably puny sub par
iPhone batteries suffer similarly due to Apple's el cheapo'
batteries.

You've yet to show that any Apple batteries are substantially
different than the batteries used in other companies' products.

No such proof exists. He's just trolling as usual.

[nospam]

Post by Andy Burnelli

And no. 100% charge is not good for Li-ion. Why Apple have their
"smarts" to charge it to 80% ... leave it there, then top it to 100% in
the time before one typically takes it off the charger. (iphones anyway
- not sure about the Watch).

optimized battery charging is also available on the watch.

Just making the salient observation that those laughably puny sub par
iPhone batteries suffer similarly due to Apple's el cheapo' batteries.

yet you didn't make the salient observation that the apple watch does
not use iphone batteries, nor have you observed that there's anything
'cheapo' about any of them.