iOS 16 update coming ...

[Andy Burnelli]

Really this is not a big deal since most people don't sign out of their
Apple accounts.

Steve brings up a good point for the Android users to note which is Apple
will unilaterally destroy your setup if you do NOT sign into Apple
frequently!
<Loading Image...> Apple _forces_ extra logins!

Yes. Frequently.
<Loading Image...> Apple tracks your activity

I've been running an experiment for the past two years on one of my iPads
by _refusing_ to log into Apple mothership tracking servers.

Eventually Apple unilaterally disabled my iPad to make it stop working.
<Loading Image...> Apple _forces_ a lock out!

The sheer requirement to log into the Apple walled garden just to use your
iOS device is a crippling requirement that no other platform would do.

Only Apple would stoop to those heinous levels of walled garden control.
<Loading Image...> Apple _disables_ your device!

It is true that it would be nice if the iPhone could just be used as a
web cam via USB/Lightning without any need for Wi-Fi or Bluetooth. And
it can, with the proper app, see
<https://apps.apple.com/app/apple-store/id964565026> but the paid
version is required for audio to work.

I don't think the Apple iKooks are as excited about the boring webcam so
much as what they consider "only Apple" desktop view features of it.

The Apple users love to gloat because their whole lives they have been told
they were stupid, and certainly they're stupid - as think of them as this:
<Loading Image...>

Realistically, I think that few Mac users would ever use this feature,
it's just too clunky. If they really need a higher quality webcam than
is built into their Macbook then they'd purchase a good webcam, the cost
of which is not very high.

Given it's not the motherships which supply most functionality, I googled
for the status of this desktop view feature is on iOS and on Android.

The result is that both Apple and iOS have it in beta channels of varying
levels of development, but, that production developers beat both to it.
<https://reincubate.com/camo/continuity-camera/>

[nospam]

Post by Andy Burnelli
Steve brings up a good point for the Android users to note which is Apple
will unilaterally destroy your setup if you do NOT sign into Apple
frequently!

no they will not.

they may ask to log in again, which you can also choose to decline.

Post by Andy Burnelli
Eventually Apple unilaterally disabled my iPad to make it stop working.

no they didn't.

what happened was *you* fucked up.

[Andy Burnelli]

Post by nospam
they may ask to log in again, which you can also choose to decline.

Hi nospam,
I'm going to treat you as if you're an actual adult, is that OK with you?

Bear in mind that you're always wrong about what you claim, which is partly
because you simply lie (why would you need to know anything when you can
just lie) and then bear in mind that I'm telling the truth - and - that I'm
supplying the screenshots to prove that I'm telling the truth (unlike you).
<Loading Image...> Apple tracking server login

Let's talk some facts, which you ignorant iKooks are always unaware of.

1. Apple _will_ and _does_ force periodic logging into the Apple mothership
tracking servers - and any claim you fabricate that they don't is a lie.

2. I know this because I've done what you clueless iKooks have never done,
which is I refused to periodically log into Apple mothership trackers.

3. What Apple did, unilaterally, is lock me out of Apple functionality
which if you deny, just proves you iKooks know nothing about Apple.

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
Eventually Apple unilaterally disabled my iPad to make it stop working.

no they didn't.

I realize that you are like this person when you try to defend Apple.
<https://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>

But the fact is that Android does NOT require a login into Google servers.
<Loading Image...> No need for a Google Account

Apple _does_ require that periodic login into Apple tracking servers.
<Loading Image...> Apple _forces_ a log in!

Post by nospam
what happened was *you* fucked up.

What is interesting is that simply NOT logging into Apple mothership
tracking servers is something you iKooks consider "fucking up"...

What you decry is the essence of the Apple walled garden, nospam.

a. It's a fact Apple _requires_ periodic logging into their tracking
servers and if you do not, Apple will disable their functionality.

b. The only way to get your iPad functionality back is to waltz into
an Apple store, provide your full ID, and beg them to enable it.

The fact you hate facts about Apple doesn't change that they're facts.

[nospam]

Post by Andy Burnelli
1. Apple _will_ and _does_ force periodic logging into the Apple mothership
tracking servers - and any claim you fabricate that they don't is a lie.

that is very much false. they do not.

Post by Andy Burnelli
3. What Apple did, unilaterally, is lock me out of Apple functionality
which if you deny, just proves you iKooks know nothing about Apple.

no they didn't.

you refuse to admit you fucked up, and from what you say below, you
fucked up *big* *time*, far worse than i thought.

Post by Andy Burnelli
But the fact is that Android does NOT require a login into Google servers.

neither does apple.

Post by Andy Burnelli
b. The only way to get your iPad functionality back is to waltz into
an Apple store, provide your full ID, and beg them to enable it.

where the fuck did you get that ridiculous idea??

dude, lighten up on the meds, it's fucking with your brain. then again,
maybe it's too late. the damage has been done.

under no circumstances will not logging into apple's servers result in
needing to go to the store with an id and beg them to enable it.


what you describe is activation lock, which is very different than
'must log into apples servers'. totally different.

activation lock is intended to prevent *stolen* ipads and iphones from
being used by someone other than the legitimate owner.

if you activation locked your own ipad (which itself is quite the
accomplishment, and not in a good way), and without the ability to
unlock it (which is significantly worse), then you are too stupid to
own any form of technology.

stick with something basic that doesn't use any servers, the cloud or
apps, such as this:
<https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/53504317/GettyImages
_630805159.0.jpg>

[Andy Burnelli]

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
1. Apple _will_ and _does_ force periodic logging into the Apple mothership
tracking servers - and any claim you fabricate that they don't is a lie.

that is very much false. they do not.

It bears repeating *you are an imbecile* nospam.

That's not even an ad hominem nospam. It's a fact.

It's a fact that Apple _does_ require frequent logging in.
<Loading Image...> Apple forces periodic login
<Loading Image...> into its mothership trackers
<Loading Image...> Safari & Chrome work fine
<Loading Image...> So does Youtube work fine
<Loading Image...> No problem with web pages
<Loading Image...> The walled garden fails
<Loading Image...> iMessage walled garden fails
<Loading Image...> FaceTime walled garden fails
<Loading Image...> App Store works mostly fine
<Loading Image...> App Store installs apps
<Loading Image...> But it won't do iCloud
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Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
3. What Apple did, unilaterally, is lock me out of Apple functionality
which if you deny, just proves you iKooks know nothing about Apple.

no they didn't.
you refuse to admit you fucked up, and from what you say below, you
fucked up *big* *time*, far worse than i thought.

Again, *you are an imbecile* nospam, because Apple did what I said they do.

I agree with you that Apple considers anyone who doesn't periodically
log into the mothership tracking servers as having *fucked up* (big time).

Yet notice even as access to FaceTime & iMessages is killed off by
not frequently logging into Apple's mothership tracking servers,
Apple still lets me update the iPad (excample below to iOS 16.3.1).

<https://i.postimg.cc/hvhgB91S/update01.jpg> iPadOS 16.3.1 is available
<https://i.postimg.cc/Qtfsw654/update02.jpg> 16.3.1 Update Requested
<https://i.postimg.cc/vmLGL8md/update03.jpg> About 10 minutes remaining
<https://i.postimg.cc/d11gkJk6/update04.jpg> Preparing Update
<https://i.postimg.cc/rw1B7n21/update05.jpg> Downloaded
<https://i.postimg.cc/yN7MKm7w/update06.jpg> Finish Setting Up iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/13DSsRwN/update07.jpg> More for your iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xv80B22j/update08.jpg> Update Apple ID Settings
<https://i.postimg.cc/TYLGNJP0/update09.jpg> iPadOS Version 15.3.1
<https://i.postimg.cc/L509Yy8Y/update10.jpg> Sign in to iCloud
<https://i.postimg.cc/zvfDfm8Y/update11.jpg> Finished Setting up iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/Z5Nbnxtn/update12.jpg> Verifying update...

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
But the fact is that Android does NOT require a login into Google servers.

neither does apple.

When you lie so brazenly, it's how I know you're like this person, nospam.
<https://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
b. The only way to get your iPad functionality back is to waltz into
an Apple store, provide your full ID, and beg them to enable it.

where the fuck did you get that ridiculous idea??
dude, lighten up on the meds, it's fucking with your brain. then again,
maybe it's too late. the damage has been done.
under no circumstances will not logging into apple's servers result in
needing to go to the store with an id and beg them to enable it.

Stop it with the lies nospam. Just stop it.
Apple changed their rules recently which now _require_ identification.

You're so ignorant that you don't realize *you know nothing about Apple*.

Post by nospam
what you describe is activation lock, which is very different than
'must log into apples servers'. totally different.
activation lock is intended to prevent *stolen* ipads and iphones from
being used by someone other than the legitimate owner.
if you activation locked your own ipad (which itself is quite the
accomplishment, and not in a good way), and without the ability to
unlock it (which is significantly worse), then you are too stupid to
own any form of technology.

I know all about activation locks, nospam, where it's no longer shocking
that you not only know absolutely nothing about Apple, but since all
you do is lie about Apple every day all day, you feel you don't need to learn.

Post by nospam
stick with something basic that doesn't use any servers, the cloud or
<https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/53504317/GettyImages
_630805159.0.jpg>

I'm not even going to try to piece together your broken URLs, nospam.
Might I note you're so stupid you can't even post a URL correctly.

This is you:
<https://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>

[Dean Hoffman]

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
1. Apple _will_ and _does_ force periodic logging into the Apple mothership
tracking servers - and any claim you fabricate that they don't is a lie.

that is very much false. they do not.

It bears repeating *you are an imbecile* nospam.
That's not even an ad hominem nospam. It's a fact.
It's a fact that Apple _does_ require frequent logging in.
<https://i.postimg.cc/9XtgRz0y/mothership01.jpg> Apple forces periodic login
<https://i.postimg.cc/q73jkvWh/mothership02.jpg> into its mothership trackers
<https://i.postimg.cc/7hmNBGJc/mothership03.jpg> Safari & Chrome work fine
<https://i.postimg.cc/GhmK4QZ1/mothership04.jpg> So does Youtube work fine
<https://i.postimg.cc/vBv7BghB/mothership05.jpg> No problem with web pages
<https://i.postimg.cc/xjtyVmqp/mothership06.jpg> The walled garden fails
<https://i.postimg.cc/ht79m3sN/mothership07.jpg> iMessage walled garden fails
<https://i.postimg.cc/5tBL7YZ3/mothership08.jpg> FaceTime walled garden fails
<https://i.postimg.cc/Y09FCXjn/mothership09.jpg> App Store works mostly fine
<https://i.postimg.cc/tC869Nbk/mothership10.jpg> App Store installs apps
<https://i.postimg.cc/FKVkgtLC/mothership11.jpg> But it won't do iCloud
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Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
3. What Apple did, unilaterally, is lock me out of Apple functionality
which if you deny, just proves you iKooks know nothing about Apple.

no they didn't.
you refuse to admit you fucked up, and from what you say below, you
fucked up *big* *time*, far worse than i thought.

Again, *you are an imbecile* nospam, because Apple did what I said they do.
I agree with you that Apple considers anyone who doesn't periodically
log into the mothership tracking servers as having *fucked up* (big time).
Yet notice even as access to FaceTime & iMessages is killed off by
not frequently logging into Apple's mothership tracking servers,
Apple still lets me update the iPad (excample below to iOS 16.3.1).
<https://i.postimg.cc/hvhgB91S/update01.jpg> iPadOS 16.3.1 is available
<https://i.postimg.cc/Qtfsw654/update02.jpg> 16.3.1 Update Requested
<https://i.postimg.cc/vmLGL8md/update03.jpg> About 10 minutes remaining
<https://i.postimg.cc/d11gkJk6/update04.jpg> Preparing Update
<https://i.postimg.cc/rw1B7n21/update05.jpg> Downloaded
<https://i.postimg.cc/yN7MKm7w/update06.jpg> Finish Setting Up iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/13DSsRwN/update07.jpg> More for your iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xv80B22j/update08.jpg> Update Apple ID Settings
<https://i.postimg.cc/TYLGNJP0/update09.jpg> iPadOS Version 15.3.1
<https://i.postimg.cc/L509Yy8Y/update10.jpg> Sign in to iCloud
<https://i.postimg.cc/zvfDfm8Y/update11.jpg> Finished Setting up iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/Z5Nbnxtn/update12.jpg> Verifying update...

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
But the fact is that Android does NOT require a login into Google servers.

neither does apple.

When you lie so brazenly, it's how I know you're like this person, nospam.
<https://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
b. The only way to get your iPad functionality back is to waltz into
an Apple store, provide your full ID, and beg them to enable it.

where the fuck did you get that ridiculous idea??
dude, lighten up on the meds, it's fucking with your brain. then again,
maybe it's too late. the damage has been done.
under no circumstances will not logging into apple's servers result in
needing to go to the store with an id and beg them to enable it.

Stop it with the lies nospam. Just stop it.
Apple changed their rules recently which now _require_ identification.
You're so ignorant that you don't realize *you know nothing about Apple*.

Post by nospam
what you describe is activation lock, which is very different than
'must log into apples servers'. totally different.
activation lock is intended to prevent *stolen* ipads and iphones from
being used by someone other than the legitimate owner.
if you activation locked your own ipad (which itself is quite the
accomplishment, and not in a good way), and without the ability to
unlock it (which is significantly worse), then you are too stupid to
own any form of technology.

I know all about activation locks, nospam, where it's no longer shocking
that you not only know absolutely nothing about Apple, but since all
you do is lie about Apple every day all day, you feel you don't need to learn.

Post by nospam
stick with something basic that doesn't use any servers, the cloud or
<https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/53504317/GettyImages
_630805159.0.jpg>

I'm not even going to try to piece together your broken URLs, nospam.
Might I note you're so stupid you can't even post a URL correctly.
<https://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>

Steve is correct. And so are you. Both of you know both platforms.

Neither Jolly Roger nor nospam uses Android so they don't know it.
Jolly Roger and nospam are just trying to cover up for Apple's flaws.

[nospam]

Post by Andy Burnelli
I agree with you that Apple considers anyone who doesn't periodically
log into the mothership tracking servers as having *fucked up* (big time).

i never said that, liar.

Post by Andy Burnelli
Apple changed their rules recently which now _require_ identification.

no they haven't, liar.

fake names work just fine with apple and always have, unlike google,
which *requires* verification for some things, which was added some
years back.

why is it you always get things backwards?

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by nospam
stick with something basic that doesn't use any servers, the cloud or
<https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/53504317/GettyImages
_630805159.0.jpg>

I'm not even going to try to piece together your broken URLs, nospam.

my urls are not broken. they include <> delimiters, as per the rfc.

what's broken is your newsreader (and quite a bit more).

[Andy Burnelli]

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
I agree with you that Apple considers anyone who doesn't periodically
log into the mothership tracking servers as having *fucked up* (big time).

i never said that, liar.

You're an imbecile, nospam.

I don't know what's wrong with you, but the fact is I showed exactly
what happened, which proves beyond any doubt that Apple requires
you to log into the mothership tracking servers periodically.

You can deny that fact all you want but I show facts & all you do is lie.
<https://i.postimg.cc/9XtgRz0y/mothership01.jpg> Apple forces periodic login
<https://i.postimg.cc/q73jkvWh/mothership02.jpg> into its mothership trackers
<https://i.postimg.cc/7hmNBGJc/mothership03.jpg> Safari & Chrome work fine
<https://i.postimg.cc/GhmK4QZ1/mothership04.jpg> So does Youtube work fine
<https://i.postimg.cc/vBv7BghB/mothership05.jpg> No problem with web pages
<https://i.postimg.cc/xjtyVmqp/mothership06.jpg> The walled garden fails
<https://i.postimg.cc/ht79m3sN/mothership07.jpg> iMessage walled garden fails
<https://i.postimg.cc/5tBL7YZ3/mothership08.jpg> FaceTime walled garden fails
<https://i.postimg.cc/Y09FCXjn/mothership09.jpg> App Store works mostly fine
<https://i.postimg.cc/tC869Nbk/mothership10.jpg> App Store installs apps
<https://i.postimg.cc/FKVkgtLC/mothership11.jpg> But it won't do iCloud

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
Apple changed their rules recently which now _require_ identification.

no they haven't, liar.

You're an imbecile. Apple Store personnel told me they did.
I believe them over you, an imbecile.

I'm sure we can dig up the information because it should be online.

*It's no longer shocking how _little_ you know of Apple, nospam.*

Why would you need to know anything when you just lie about everything
you hate about Apple, which wouldn't be so bad if you didn't hate so much.

Post by nospam
fake names work just fine with apple and always have, unlike google,
which *requires* verification for some things, which was added some
years back.

Why is it always that Google made Apple do the bad things Apple does?

Post by nospam
why is it you always get things backwards?

The fact is that if you do not frequently log into Apple mothership tracking
servers, Apple will disable some of the walled garden functionality such as
iMessage & FaceTime as unambiguously proved (and as shown above).

[Jolly Roger]

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
I agree with you that Apple considers anyone who doesn't
periodically log into the mothership tracking servers as having
*fucked up* (big time).

i never said that, liar.

You're an imbecile, nospam.

No, you're a lying troll. He never said what you claimed he said. END OF
STORY.

Post by Andy Burnelli
The fact is that if you do not frequently log into Apple mothership
tracking servers, Apple will disable some of the walled garden
functionality such as iMessage & FaceTime

It takes a real low-life loser to believe messaging and video
conferencing apps like iMessage, WhatsApp, FaceTimei, Zoom, and others
shouldn't require logins to servers. Fuck off with your lunacy, Arlen.
You're a fucking clueless CLOWN. 🤣

[Andy Burnelli]

Post by Jolly Roger
It takes a real low-life loser to believe messaging and video
conferencing apps like iMessage, WhatsApp, FaceTimei, Zoom, and others
shouldn't require logins to servers.

Hi Jolly Roger,

What you do not understand is in those images.

Clearly _some_ Apple services worked (e.g., see additional images below
showing I could update to iOS 16.3.1 without a problem); but, some Apple
services _require_ you to periodically log into Apple mothership tracking
servers (such as iMessage, FaceTime, etc.).

that's just a fact.
You can _hate_ that fact all you want, Jolly Roger.

But you hating every fact about Apple doesn't change they're still facts.

For example, I recently updated to iOS 16.3.1 and it worked just fine.
<https://i.postimg.cc/hvhgB91S/update01.jpg> iPadOS 16.3.1 is available
<https://i.postimg.cc/Qtfsw654/update02.jpg> 16.3.1 Update Requested
<https://i.postimg.cc/vmLGL8md/update03.jpg> About 10 minutes remaining
<https://i.postimg.cc/d11gkJk6/update04.jpg> Preparing Update
<https://i.postimg.cc/rw1B7n21/update05.jpg> Downloaded
<https://i.postimg.cc/yN7MKm7w/update06.jpg> Finish Setting Up iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/13DSsRwN/update07.jpg> More for your iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xv80B22j/update08.jpg> Update Apple ID Settings
<https://i.postimg.cc/TYLGNJP0/update09.jpg> iPadOS Version 16.3.1
<https://i.postimg.cc/L509Yy8Y/update10.jpg> Sign in to iCloud
<https://i.postimg.cc/zvfDfm8Y/update11.jpg> Finished Setting up iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/Z5Nbnxtn/update12.jpg> Verifying update...

What you _hate_, Jolly Roger, is the fact that Apple requires logging into
their mothership tracking servers periodically, and, if you do not log into
them, then Apple will disable some (or all) the functionality of your iOS
device.

You simply _hate_ that fact.

[Jolly Roger]

Post by Jolly Roger
It takes a real low-life loser to believe messaging and video
conferencing apps like iMessage, WhatsApp, FaceTimei, Zoom, and
others shouldn't require logins to servers.

some Apple services _require_ you to periodically log into Apple
mothership tracking servers (such as iMessage, FaceTime, etc.).

Folks, Andy (Arlen) thinks that messaging and video conferencing apps
like iMessage, WhatsApp, FaceTime, Zoom, and so on shouldn't require
anyone to log in to use them. He's actually claiming that by doing so
they are "tracking you". He's an absolute IDIOT troll. 🤣

[Andy Burnelli]

Post by Jolly Roger
thinks that messaging and video conferencing apps
like iMessage, WhatsApp, FaceTime, Zoom, and so on shouldn't require
anyone to log in to use them. He's actually claiming that by doing so
they are "tracking you".

Hi Jolly Roger,

*Why does FaceTime require constant logging in, while GV does not?*

You hating every fact about Apple doesn't change they're still facts.
<https://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>

What you whooshed on is that I'm signed in to the Apple ID as exemplified
by the ability to use Apple services such as the update to iOS 16.3.1.

But you have to _constantly_ sign in to the Apple mothership tracking
servers in order to use some of the more trackable apps, which is shown.

An example of something similar to iMessage is Google Voice, which, let's
be very clear, does NOT require me to do what Apple's iMessage requires.

Why is that?

*Why does iMessage require constant logging in, while GV does not?*

[Alan]

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by Jolly Roger
thinks that messaging and video conferencing apps
like iMessage, WhatsApp, FaceTime, Zoom, and so on shouldn't require
anyone to log in to use them. He's actually claiming that by doing so
they are "tracking you".

Hi Jolly Roger,
*Why does FaceTime require constant logging in, while GV does not?*

Google Voice DOES require logging in.

Show me how you get a Google Voice number without a Google ID.

Post by Andy Burnelli
You hating every fact about Apple doesn't change they're still facts.
<https://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>

Yes. Your hatred and bigotry towards those who you perceive to be less
than yourself is well understood.

Post by Andy Burnelli
What you whooshed on is that I'm signed in to the Apple ID as exemplified
by the ability to use Apple services such as the update to iOS 16.3.1.
But you have to _constantly_ sign in to the Apple mothership tracking
servers in order to use some of the more trackable apps, which is shown.
An example of something similar to iMessage is Google Voice, which, let's
be very clear, does NOT require me to do what Apple's iMessage requires.
Why is that?
*Why does iMessage require constant logging in, while GV does not?*

You're lying or ignorant...

...or more likely, both:

<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZzWeExnDV51B_Ulb76WUzlPaeRXSQXci/view?usp=share_link>

Looks like it wanted me to be signed into Google, doesn't it...

...Asshole.

[knuttle]

Post by Alan

Post by Andy Burnelli
*Why does FaceTime require constant logging in, while GV does not?*

Google Voice DOES require logging in.
Show me how you get a Google Voice number without a Google ID.

Do you ever think before you post?

You whooshed on the main concept and then you berated him?
What's wrong with you?

Next time, before you respond with the first idiotic reply that comes into
your head, why don't you read first the actual words that the people said
that you're responding to?

[Alan]

Post by knuttle

Post by Alan

Post by Andy Burnelli
*Why does FaceTime require constant logging in, while GV does not?*

Google Voice DOES require logging in.
Show me how you get a Google Voice number without a Google ID.

Do you ever think before you post?
You whooshed on the main concept and then you berated him?
What's wrong with you?
Next time, before you respond with the first idiotic reply that comes into
your head, why don't you read first the actual words that the people said
that you're responding to?

Are you saying you can use Google Voice without a Google ID?

Show us all how.

[knuttle]

Post by Alan
Are you saying you can use Google Voice without a Google ID?
Show us all how.

Why don't you read what he actually said before showing that you didn't?
He never said what your idiotic brain thinks he said. Asshole.

You may as well complain that he said a cow jumps over the moon.
Only you think he said you don't have to log in once, Asshole.

Why don't you read what people say before you yell at them. Asshole.
Until you show that you understood what he said, I'm done with you.

Asshole.

[Alan]

Post by knuttle

Post by Alan
Are you saying you can use Google Voice without a Google ID?
Show us all how.

Why don't you read what he actually said before showing that you didn't?
He never said what your idiotic brain thinks he said. Asshole.

Why don't you tell us all what you're claiming he said?

Oops.

[Jolly Roger]

Post by Alan

Post by knuttle

Post by Alan
Are you saying you can use Google Voice without a Google ID?
Show us all how.

Why don't you read what he actually said before showing that you
didn't? He never said what your idiotic brain thinks he said.
Asshole.

Why don't you tell us all what you're claiming he said?
Oops.

Like a true idiot, he thinks everyone is just as dumb as he is. So he
thinks this is some sort of "gotcha". ; )

[Andy Burnelli]

Post by knuttle
Until you show that you understood what he said, I'm done with you.

Please do not respond to Alan Baker because then the rest of us who have
him plonked have to see his garbage. Nobody responds to him but iKooks.

After two decades on Usenet, my killfile only contains a half dozen entries
but Alan Baker is one of them. He has an IQ that can't be over 40.

Alan doesn't understand the difference between being logged in and
being asked to log in again (even though you're already logged in).

The iKooks are too stupid to get that nuance even as everyone else does.

That's why I ask everyone to consider _this guy_ as a typical iKook.
<https://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>

Worse, he uses Usenet as his sole amusement - he's just testing you.
The more you respond to Alan Baker, the more he loves it.

Because everyone else has Alan Baker plonked.
Didn't you notice NOBODY (but iKooks) ever responds to Alan Baker?

That's because it's not possible to have an adult conversation with him.
He doesn't even read what he replies to. He just blindly responds.

Without understanding anything.
Just watch.

[Alan]

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by knuttle
Until you show that you understood what he said, I'm done with you.

Please do not respond to Alan Baker because then the rest of us who have
him plonked have to see his garbage. Nobody responds to him but iKooks.
After two decades on Usenet, my killfile only contains a half dozen entries
but Alan Baker is one of them. He has an IQ that can't be over 40.
Alan doesn't understand the difference between being logged in and being
asked to log in again (even though you're already logged in).

1. I actually use an iPhone and I haven't been asked to log again to any
service that Apple provides.

2. From a privacy standpoint, your complaint was the requirement to BE
logged in.

[Jolly Roger]

Post by knuttle

Post by Alan

Post by Andy Burnelli
*Why does FaceTime require constant logging in, while GV does not?*

Google Voice DOES require logging in.
Show me how you get a Google Voice number without a Google ID.

Do you ever think before you post?

Do you?

Show everyone how to use Google Voice, WhatsApp, Signal, or any other
popular messaging, VoIP, or video conferencing app *without* logging
in. We'll all wait. : )

Post by knuttle
You whooshed

Projection, as usual. You're not fooling anyone.

[Andy Burnelli]

Post by Andy Burnelli
*Why does FaceTime require constant logging in, while GV does not?*

Even though it's futile to ask an adult question of the iKooks,
I opened up a separate thread to get to the bottom of why it's only the
Apple mothership tracking servers which require this frequent login.

*Why do iMessage & Facetime require constant logging in, while Google Voice does not?*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/e3l3wix7a6s>

That way the Android users, who have the privacy that iOS lacks,
can get on with Android issues without dealing with these iKooks.

[Alan]

 *Why does FaceTime require constant logging in, while GV does not?*

Even though it's futile to ask an adult question of the iKooks, I opened
up a separate thread to get to the bottom of why it's only the
Apple mothership tracking servers which require this frequent login.
*Why do iMessage & Facetime require constant logging in, while Google Voice does not?*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/e3l3wix7a6s>
That way the Android users, who have the privacy that iOS lacks,
can get on with Android issues without dealing with these iKooks.

You're lying...

...or ignorant...

...or more likely, both:

<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZzWeExnDV51B_Ulb76WUzlPaeRXSQXci/view?usp=share_link>

Looks like it wanted me to be signed into Google, doesn't it...

...Asshole.

[knuttle]

Post by Alan
Looks like it wanted me to be signed into Google, doesn't it...

There you go again saying the first idiotic thing that comes to your head.
Why don't you read what he actually said before showing that you didn't?

[Alan]

Post by knuttle

Post by Alan
Looks like it wanted me to be signed into Google, doesn't it...

There you go again saying the first idiotic thing that comes to your head.
Why don't you read what he actually said before showing that you didn't?

He said that FaceTime requires being signed in to Apple's servers and
Google Voice does not require signing in to Google servers...

...and it's complete bullshit.

[nospam]

Post by Andy Burnelli
*Why does FaceTime require constant logging in, while GV does not?*

yes it does. otherwise, it would be impossible for google to route
calls to and from your device.

the mere fact you think it doesn't is clear and irrefutable proof that
you have absolutely no clue whatsofuckingever.

this doesn't require logging into anything and can do quite a bit too.
even a child can figure it out, so you should be all set.
<Loading Image...>

[Andy Burnelli]

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
*Why does FaceTime require constant logging in, while GV does not?*

yes it does. otherwise, it would be impossible for google to route
calls to and from your device.

Hi nospam,

Stop being a child.
Just stop it.

I'm going to assume you own at least normal adult cognitive skills, ok?

Nobody but you ever said, even once, that I'm not logged in.
So stop saying things which prove you have the IQ of a moron.

Just stop it.
It makes you look like this guy.
<Loading Image...>

You have to own the basic adult cognitive skill to understand there is a
difference between "being logged in" and in "constantly being asked by
Apple to confirm your identification" by expressly logging in again.

If you can't comprehend that nuance, you don't own adult cognition, nospam.
a. Apple _requires_ that constant proof by you repeatedly logging in expressly.
b. But only for _some_ apps (like iMessage & Facetime, and the iCloud).
c. Yet Google Voice and iOS updates do _not_ require proving your identity.

Before you read any further, you have to prove to us that you own adult
cognitive skills because what I said is not the same as you saying
that I'm not logged in.

Only a child would think I'm saying I'm not logged in.
You are a child.

There is nuance here that requires someone who has an IQ that is
somewhere around normal, nospam. You can't just deny outright all the facts, nospam.

The facts are clear that Apple iMessage and Facetime require _multiple_
_repetitive_ logging into the Apple mothership tracking servers - and GV
does not (nor do most of the apps on my iPad, even most Apple apps).

*But Facetime and iMessage are different in that regard.*

Assuming you own adult cognitive skills (which is a stretch), you'll be
able to discern that there is a fundamental difference with those two.

But if you don't own at least a normal IQ, you'll never understand facts.

The facts are most iOS apps, for example, the App Store don't require
multiple and repetitive express (typed) logging into the App Store, nospam.
<Loading Image...> Apple forces periodic login
<Loading Image...> into its mothership trackers
<Loading Image...> Safari & Chrome work fine
<Loading Image...> So does Youtube work fine
<Loading Image...> No problem with web pages
<Loading Image...> The walled garden fails
<Loading Image...> iMessage walled garden fails
<Loading Image...> FaceTime walled garden fails
<Loading Image...> App Store works mostly fine
<Loading Image...> App Store installs apps
<Loading Image...> But it won't do iCloud
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<Loading Image...> Get 1Blocker Ad Blocker
<http://i.postimg.cc/Dy4Wp4GX/mothership13.jpg> Open 1Blocker Ad Blocker
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What you don't understand, nospam, is I don't expressly have to type my
username/password credentials into *any* iOS app that I use daily, except
the iMessage and Facetime apps, which _require_ constantly doing that.

If you owned adult cognition, you would understand what this says, nospam.
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!

Post by nospam
the mere fact you think it doesn't is clear and irrefutable proof that
you have absolutely no clue

No. You're just stupid, nospam.
The fact you can't comprehend the nuance is an indicator of your low IQ.

Do you think I updated that iPad to the latest iOS without being logged in?
<Loading Image...> iPadOS 16.3.1 is available
<Loading Image...> 16.3.1 Update Requested
<Loading Image...> About 10 minutes remaining
<Loading Image...> Preparing Update
<Loading Image...> Downloaded
<Loading Image...> Finish Setting Up iPad
<Loading Image...> More for your iPad
<Loading Image...> Update Apple ID Settings
<Loading Image...> iPadOS Version 16.3.1
<Loading Image...> Sign in to iCloud
<Loading Image...> Finished Setting up iPad
<Loading Image...> Verifying update...

Post by nospam
this doesn't require logging into anything and can do quite a bit too.
even a child can figure it out, so you should be all set.

Why do you think Apple puts this request constantly on my iPad, nospam?
<Loading Image...> Apple _forces_ extra logins!

[Alan]

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by nospam

 *Why does FaceTime require constant logging in, while GV does not?*

yes it does. otherwise, it would be impossible for google to route
calls to and from your device.

Hi nospam,
Stop being a child.
Just stop it.
I'm going to assume you own at least normal adult cognitive skills, ok?
Nobody but you ever said, even once, that I'm not logged in.
So stop saying things which prove you have the IQ of a moron.
Just stop it.
It makes you look like this guy.
<http://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>
You have to own the basic adult cognitive skill to understand there is a
difference between "being logged in" and in "constantly being asked by
Apple to confirm your identification" by expressly logging in again.
If you can't comprehend that nuance, you don't own adult cognition, nospam.
a. Apple _requires_ that constant proof by you repeatedly logging in expressly.
b. But only for _some_ apps (like iMessage & Facetime, and the iCloud).
c. Yet Google Voice and iOS updates do _not_ require proving your identity.

So you're suggesting that Google Voice lets anyone use your Google Voice
number?

[Alan]

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by Jolly Roger
It takes a real low-life loser to believe messaging and video
conferencing apps like iMessage, WhatsApp, FaceTimei, Zoom, and others
shouldn't require logins to servers.

Hi Jolly Roger,
What you do not understand is in those images.
Clearly _some_ Apple services worked (e.g., see additional images below
showing I could update to iOS 16.3.1 without a problem); but, some Apple
services _require_ you to periodically log into Apple mothership tracking
servers (such as iMessage, FaceTime, etc.).

Some SERVICES...

...require the use of a SERVER.

Can you use WhatsApp without logging in? No.

Can you use Google Chat without logging in? No.

[nospam]

Post by Andy Burnelli
but the fact is I showed exactly
what happened, which proves beyond any doubt that Apple requires
you to log into the mothership tracking servers periodically.

you didn't show anything close to that.

the only thing you showed is that you don't have any clue what your'e
doing and that you're making all sorts of baseless assumptions.

myself and others have explained that your claim is false. i have
devices that have sat unused for 10+ years and work without issue when
powered up, which is far longer than the '2 years' you claim.

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
Apple changed their rules recently which now _require_ identification.

no they haven't, liar.

You're an imbecile. Apple Store personnel told me they did.
I believe them over you, an imbecile.

you said apple recently changed their rules.

it's quoted above, and again below since you don't even know what you

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
Apple changed their rules recently which now _require_ identification.

that claim is *false*. nothing has changed.

the situation you describe is when a device is *activation* *locked*.

apple can release the activation lock, however, they will only do that
with a proper id id to prove that the person requesting the release is
the *legitimate* *owner* and not some rando with a concocted story.

apple can release the activation lock, however, they will only do that
for the legitimate owner, versus some rando with a concocted story.

the only way to prove that the person requesting the release is in fact
the legitimate owner is with an id.

otherwise, anyone could steal an iphone or ipad and then go to an apple
store to have them release the activation lock, at which point they now
have a free device without any restrictions, with the actual owner no
longer being able to recover it. that would be bad.

in your case, and by your own admission, you used a fake email and
password, which you chose to not save anywhere.

from apple's point of view, you're just a rando with someone else's
ipad.

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by nospam
fake names work just fine with apple and always have, unlike google,
which *requires* verification for some things, which was added some
years back.

Why is it always that Google made Apple do the bad things Apple does?

why is it you make excuses for others when they do the same or worse?

[Andy Burnelli]

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
but the fact is I showed exactly
what happened, which proves beyond any doubt that Apple requires
you to log into the mothership tracking servers periodically.

you didn't show anything close to that.

Statements like that are why I said, very clearly, *you are an imbecile*.
That's not even an insult, nospam... that's just a fact.

It wouldn't matter how much proof was provided to you.
*All you care to do is deny everything you _hate_ about Apple*.

Post by nospam
the only thing you showed is that you don't have any clue what your'e
doing and that you're making all sorts of baseless assumptions.
myself and others have explained that your claim is false. i have
devices that have sat unused for 10+ years and work without issue when
powered up, which is far longer than the '2 years' you claim.

Jesus Christ, nospam. I'm sure you're lying but you're not even a good liar
*because that isn't the problem, you imbecile.*

You don't even understand the problem, you imbecile.
And yet you deny it exists.

Please realize when I tell you that you're an imbecile, that's just a fact.

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
Apple changed their rules recently which now _require_ identification.

no they haven't, liar.

You're an imbecile. Apple Store personnel told me they did.
I believe them over you, an imbecile.

you said apple recently changed their rules.
it's quoted above, and again below since you don't even know what you
write

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
Apple changed their rules recently which now _require_ identification.

that claim is *false*. nothing has changed.
the situation you describe is when a device is *activation* *locked*.
apple can release the activation lock, however, they will only do that
with a proper id id to prove that the person requesting the release is
the *legitimate* *owner* and not some rando with a concocted story.
apple can release the activation lock, however, they will only do that
for the legitimate owner, versus some rando with a concocted story.
the only way to prove that the person requesting the release is in fact
the legitimate owner is with an id.
otherwise, anyone could steal an iphone or ipad and then go to an apple
store to have them release the activation lock, at which point they now
have a free device without any restrictions, with the actual owner no
longer being able to recover it. that would be bad.
in your case, and by your own admission, you used a fake email and
password, which you chose to not save anywhere.
from apple's point of view, you're just a rando with someone else's
ipad.

I'm not disputing that Apple requires the identification, nospam, as I said
it was told to me by the Apple store employees themselves when I asked.

You are who disputed it. Not me.

However, even so, that's a _different_ issue than the fact that Apple
_requires_ periodic logging into Apple mothership tracking servers.

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by nospam
fake names work just fine with apple and always have, unlike google,
which *requires* verification for some things, which was added some
years back.

Why is it always that Google made Apple do the bad things Apple does?

why is it you make excuses for others when they do the same or worse?

You're the one who always claims Apple is as bad or worse than Google.
You do that every time Apple does something that you _hate_ Apple did.

In this case, you _hate_ that Apple requires the user to periodically log
into the Apple mothership tracking servers - which I tested - you did not.

All you did was deny everything you _hated_ about Apple, and, you blamed
Google for what you _hate_ about Apple. And yet, it's still a fact.

*Apple _requires_ logging into Apple mothership tracking servers*
Google does not.

[nospam]

Post by Andy Burnelli
I'm not disputing that Apple requires the identification, nospam, as I said
it was told to me by the Apple store employees themselves when I asked.
You are who disputed it. Not me.

you are lying.

what i did was dispute your claim that the rules *changed*, which you
unsurprisingly, snipped.

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by Andy Burnelli
Apple changed their rules recently which now _require_ identification.

that is *false*. full. stop.

i also explained why they want an id, because from their view (and by
your own actions), you have a stolen ipad.

[Alan]

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
I agree with you that Apple considers anyone who doesn't periodically
log into the mothership tracking servers as having *fucked up* (big time).

i never said that, liar.

You're an imbecile, nospam.
I don't know what's wrong with you, but the fact is I showed exactly
what happened, which proves beyond any doubt that Apple requires
you to log into the mothership tracking servers periodically.
You can deny that fact all you want but I show facts & all you do is lie.
<https://i.postimg.cc/9XtgRz0y/mothership01.jpg> Apple forces periodic login

A screenshot to which you've added text proves nothing.

Post by Andy Burnelli
<https://i.postimg.cc/q73jkvWh/mothership02.jpg> into its mothership trackers

A screenshot to which you've added text proves nothing.

Post by Andy Burnelli
<https://i.postimg.cc/7hmNBGJc/mothership03.jpg> Safari & Chrome work fine

A screenshot to which you've added text proves nothing.

Post by Andy Burnelli
<https://i.postimg.cc/GhmK4QZ1/mothership04.jpg> So does Youtube work fine

A screenshot to which you've added text proves nothing.

Post by Andy Burnelli
<https://i.postimg.cc/vBv7BghB/mothership05.jpg> No problem with web pages

A screenshot to which you've added text proves nothing.

Post by Andy Burnelli
<https://i.postimg.cc/xjtyVmqp/mothership06.jpg> The walled garden fails

A screenshot to which you've added text proves nothing.

Post by Andy Burnelli
<https://i.postimg.cc/ht79m3sN/mothership07.jpg> iMessage walled garden fails

'No. To use iMessage (a service that actually needs Apple's servers to
make sense) you need an Apple ID. no way around this.

You can however send SMS messages using the Messages App without an
Apple ID on an iPhone, but they would be SMS messages, not iMessages'

<https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7184969>

Post by Andy Burnelli
<https://i.postimg.cc/5tBL7YZ3/mothership08.jpg> FaceTime walled garden fails

FaceTime calls are an Apple service using Apple servers.

Post by Andy Burnelli
<https://i.postimg.cc/Y09FCXjn/mothership09.jpg> App Store works mostly fine

A screenshot to which you've added text proves nothing.

Post by Andy Burnelli
<https://i.postimg.cc/tC869Nbk/mothership10.jpg> App Store installs apps

A screenshot to which you've added text proves nothing.

Post by Andy Burnelli
<https://i.postimg.cc/FKVkgtLC/mothership11.jpg> But it won't do iCloud

A screenshot to which you've added text proves nothing.

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
Apple changed their rules recently which now _require_ identification.

no they haven't, liar.

You're an imbecile. Apple Store personnel told me they did.
I believe them over you, an imbecile.
I'm sure we can dig up the information because it should be online.
 *It's no longer shocking how _little_ you know of Apple, nospam.*
Why would you need to know anything when you just lie about everything
you hate about Apple, which wouldn't be so bad if you didn't hate so much.

Post by nospam
fake names work just fine with apple and always have, unlike google,
which *requires* verification for some things, which was added some
years back.

Why is it always that Google made Apple do the bad things Apple does?

No one has claimed that.

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by nospam
why is it you always get things backwards?

The fact is that if you do not frequently log into Apple mothership
tracking servers, Apple will disable some of the walled garden
functionality such as iMessage & FaceTime as unambiguously proved (and
as shown above).

The functionality depends on Apple's servers knowing WHO YOU ARE.

Take the SIM card out of your phone...

...and it will only call 911.

[Hank Rogers]

Andy has a hard-on for apple.

[mike]

Post by Andy Burnelli

Really this is not a big deal since most people don't sign out of their
Apple accounts.

Steve brings up a good point for the Android users to note which is Apple
will unilaterally destroy your setup if you do NOT sign into Apple
frequently!
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!
Yes. Frequently.
<https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple tracks your activity
I've been running an experiment for the past two years on one of my iPads
by _refusing_ to log into Apple mothership tracking servers.
Eventually Apple unilaterally disabled my iPad to make it stop working.
<https://i.postimg.cc/g008YhxP/appleid02.jpg> Apple _forces_ a lock out!
The sheer requirement to log into the Apple walled garden just to use your
iOS device is a crippling requirement that no other platform would do.
Only Apple would stoop to those heinous levels of walled garden control.
<https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg> Apple _disables_ your device!

It is true that it would be nice if the iPhone could just be used as a
web cam via USB/Lightning without any need for Wi-Fi or Bluetooth. And
it can, with the proper app, see
<https://apps.apple.com/app/apple-store/id964565026> but the paid
version is required for audio to work.

I don't think the Apple iKooks are as excited about the boring webcam so
much as what they consider "only Apple" desktop view features of it.
The Apple users love to gloat because their whole lives they have been told
<https://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>

Realistically, I think that few Mac users would ever use this feature,
it's just too clunky. If they really need a higher quality webcam than
is built into their Macbook then they'd purchase a good webcam, the cost
of which is not very high.

Given it's not the motherships which supply most functionality, I googled
for the status of this desktop view feature is on iOS and on Android.
The result is that both Apple and iOS have it in beta channels of varying
levels of development, but, that production developers beat both to it.
<https://reincubate.com/camo/continuity-camera/>

Why would anyone put up with being forced to log into Apple servers every
day just to keep Apple native apps from locking up on you at Apple's will?

[Jolly Roger]

Post by mike
Why would anyone put up with being forced to log into Apple servers
every day just to keep Apple native apps from locking up on you at
Apple's will?

You're not only extremely gullible but clearly have zero experience with
Apple devices if you believe this complete bullshit. 🤡

[Andy Burnelli]

While no one denies that the "walled garden" (aka "ecosystems) exists

they are not the same, therefore your claim that 'no one denies' is
false on its face.

You sound like Putin, nospam, when you deny what nobody else would deny.

"Despite its
negative connotation and criticism for locking users in, a lot of
competing consumer technology brands envision having the same success as
Apple,

apple doesn't lock in users, something that is an easily debunked myth.

OK. What happens to your Apple apps then, that you so love and cherish, if
you simply do not log periodically into Apple mothership tracking servers?

HINT: I know. You don't.
DOUBLE HINT: <https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg>

for example, apple uses industry standard formats that can easily be
moved to other platforms as well as interoperate with other platforms.

When you deflect from the walled garden, you sound like Putin deflecting
from the Ukraine War (your horrid personality is almost exactly the same).

contrast that to microsoft, who creates its own proprietary formats,
such as wmv and wma with the sole intent of locking in users. another
example is when they modified html standards for their server products
to force users to use internet explorer instead of competing browsers,
something for which they were found legally liable.

Just like the Russians blaming the Ukrainians, you blame everyone but Apple
for the fact that Apple locks users inside the walled garden, nospam.

Why is it always that Microsoft made Apple do the bad things Apple does?

[nospam]

Post by Andy Burnelli
OK. What happens to your Apple apps then, that you so love and cherish, if
you simply do not log periodically into Apple mothership tracking servers?

nothing. they keep on working as they always have.

[Andy Burnelli]

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
OK. What happens to your Apple apps then, that you so love and cherish, if
you simply do not log periodically into Apple mothership tracking servers?

nothing. they keep on working as they always have.

Jesus Christ Almighty.

*You are an utter imbecile*, nospam.
<https://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>

If you think after two years of NOT logging into Apple mothership tracking
servers that Apple's messaging app (just for one example) "keeps on
working", then it's more proof that *you know absolutely nothing of iOS*.

Seriously nospam. *You are an imbecile*.

That's not even an ad hominem attack.
It's a fact.

You don't have any clue whatsoever how iOS works.
And yet, you think you do.

But you've _never tested_ it even once.
And I have. For two years.

FACT:
Many Apple apps stop working.
Some don't (such as iOS updates).

But many do.
Such as facetime, messages, icloud app store, etc.

Ask me how I know this.
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple services die sans repeated logging in even though you _are_ logged in!

[nospam]

Post by Andy Burnelli
If you think after two years of NOT logging into Apple mothership tracking
servers that Apple's messaging app (just for one example) "keeps on
working", then it's more proof that *you know absolutely nothing of iOS*.

dude, i have iphones going back 15 years to the very first one, and all
of the apps continue to work without issue, at least as far as the
phone is concerned.

many of the third party developers are history and their servers no
longer exist, so their apps can't do much anymore, but that's a
completely different issue.

i do not use those phones regularly, and they remain *off* for much
longer than the 'two years' you are claiming is the time limit, as in
roughly *ten* years for some.

tl;dr - you fucked up and refuse to admit it. it's obvious what you
did, especially after yesterday's revelation.

[Jolly Roger]

Post by nospam

Post by Andy Burnelli
If you think after two years of NOT logging into Apple mothership tracking
servers that Apple's messaging app (just for one example) "keeps on
working", then it's more proof that *you know absolutely nothing of iOS*.

dude, i have iphones going back 15 years to the very first one, and all
of the apps continue to work without issue, at least as far as the
phone is concerned.
many of the third party developers are history and their servers no
longer exist, so their apps can't do much anymore, but that's a
completely different issue.
i do not use those phones regularly, and they remain *off* for much
longer than the 'two years' you are claiming is the time limit, as in
roughly *ten* years for some.

Same here with several older devices. Arlen doesn't care - he knows if
he repeats his outright lies, the gullible idiots that make up his
little troll gang will gleefully believe them, facts be damned.

Post by nospam
tl;dr - you fucked up and refuse to admit it. it's obvious what you
did, especially after yesterday's revelation.

Yup. He locked himself out of his own device. He's a fool.

[Andy Burnelli]

Post by Jolly Roger
Same here with several older devices. Arlen doesn't care - he knows if
he repeats his outright lies, the gullible idiots that make up his
little troll gang will gleefully believe them, facts be damned.

Post by nospam
tl;dr - you fucked up and refuse to admit it. it's obvious what you
did, especially after yesterday's revelation.

Yup. He locked himself out of his own device. He's a fool.

Someone needs to break it to you, Jolly Roger...

*You know absolutely nothing about iOS*

What is no longer shocking is that Jolly Roger & nospam know absolutely
nothing about iOS - and yet - they think they do. They're like this guy.
<https://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>

FACTS:
<https://i.postimg.cc/hvhgB91S/update01.jpg> iPadOS 16.3.1 is available
<https://i.postimg.cc/Qtfsw654/update02.jpg> 16.3.1 Update Requested
<https://i.postimg.cc/vmLGL8md/update03.jpg> About 10 minutes remaining
<https://i.postimg.cc/d11gkJk6/update04.jpg> Preparing Update
<https://i.postimg.cc/rw1B7n21/update05.jpg> Downloaded
<https://i.postimg.cc/yN7MKm7w/update06.jpg> Finish Seting Up iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/13DSsRwN/update07.jpg> More for your iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xv80B22j/update08.jpg> Update Apple ID Settings
<https://i.postimg.cc/TYLGNJP0/update09.jpg> iPadOS Version 15.3.1
<https://i.postimg.cc/L509Yy8Y/update10.jpg> Sign in to iCloud
<https://i.postimg.cc/zvfDfm8Y/update11.jpg> Finish Setting up iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/Z5Nbnxtn/update12.jpg> Verifying update...

Notice that everything works just fine _except_ some of the walled
garden Apple apps which _require_ periodic logging into Apple
mothership tracking servers, nospam.

HINT: Safari works fine, but iMessage flails like a bellyup whale.

[Bob Campbell]

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by nospam
tl;dr - you fucked up and refuse to admit it. it's obvious what you
did, especially after yesterday's revelation.

Yup. He locked himself out of his own device. He's a fool.

To me it is bleeding obvious that Kiddie Troll Arlen has 0 Apple anything.
The sheer amount of ridiculous statements/proclamations/questions make it
very clear he has never used iAnything.

He is a child seeking attention. A Troll.

[Andy Burnelli]

Post by nospam
dude, i have iphones going back 15 years to the very first one, and all
of the apps continue to work without issue, at least as far as the
phone is concerned.
many of the third party developers are history and their servers no
longer exist, so their apps can't do much anymore, but that's a
completely different issue.
i do not use those phones regularly, and they remain *off* for much
longer than the 'two years' you are claiming is the time limit, as in
roughly *ten* years for some.
tl;dr - you fucked up and refuse to admit it. it's obvious what you
did, especially after yesterday's revelation.

Jesus Christ nospam.
*You are an imbecile*

It's no longer shocking that you know _nothing_ whatsoever about iOS*

<Loading Image...> iPadOS 16.3.1 is available
<Loading Image...> 16.3.1 Update Requested
<Loading Image...> About 10 minutes remaining
<Loading Image...> Preparing Update
<Loading Image...> Downloaded
<Loading Image...> Finish Seting Up iPad
<Loading Image...> More for your iPad
<Loading Image...> Update Apple ID Settings
<Loading Image...> iPadOS Version 15.3.1
<Loading Image...> Sign in to iCloud
<Loading Image...> Finish Setting up iPad
<Loading Image...> Verifying update...

Notice that everything works just fine _except_ some of the walled
garden Apple apps which _require_ periodic logging into Apple
mothership tracking servers, nospam.

HINT: Safari works fine, but Facetime flails like a beached whale.

[Jolly Roger]

Post by Andy Burnelli

Really this is not a big deal since most people don't sign out of
their Apple accounts.

Steve brings up a good point for the Android users to note which is
Apple will unilaterally destroy your setup if you do NOT sign into
Apple frequently!

LOL... You're a clueless idiot if you think that. Apple doesn't destroy
anything, and signing into your Apple ID account is optional.

[Andy Burnelli]

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by Andy Burnelli

Really this is not a big deal since most people don't sign out of
their Apple accounts.

Steve brings up a good point for the Android users to note which is
Apple will unilaterally destroy your setup if you do NOT sign into
Apple frequently!

LOL... You're a clueless idiot if you think that. Apple doesn't destroy
anything, and signing into your Apple ID account is optional.

For the benefit of the android users and for the permanent record...
*Steve is correct.*

Both nospam and Jolly Roger are wrong (they are nothing but sleazy liars).

Both Steve and I own both platforms, whereas JollY Roger & nospam
do not, and worse, they are no different than this guy is in concept.
<https://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>

While Google does NOT require a mothership login on Android, Apple
_requires_ not only that mothership tracking server login, but if you
refuse to log in frequently to the Apple mothership tracking servers (for
privacy reasons), Apple will eventually lock you out of your device
(simply for wanting a bit of privacy from Apple mothership trackers).

FACT:
<Loading Image...> Apple requires frequent login
<Loading Image...> Most things still work
<Loading Image...> But some stop working
<Loading Image...> And you can't ever use VPN!

Notice the iKooks deny all things they _hate_ about Apple, but they _never_
supply a single reference or real-world experience, which I provided above.

[Dean Hoffman]

Post by Andy Burnelli

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by Andy Burnelli

Really this is not a big deal since most people don't sign out of
their Apple accounts.

Steve brings up a good point for the Android users to note which is
Apple will unilaterally destroy your setup if you do NOT sign into
Apple frequently!

LOL... You're a clueless idiot if you think that. Apple doesn't destroy
anything, and signing into your Apple ID account is optional.

For the benefit of the android users and for the permanent record...
*Steve is correct.*
Both nospam and Jolly Roger are wrong (they are nothing but sleazy liars).
Both Steve and I own both platforms, whereas JollY Roger & nospam
do not, and worse, they are no different than this guy is in concept.
<https://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>
While Google does NOT require a mothership login on Android, Apple
_requires_ not only that mothership tracking server login, but if you
refuse to log in frequently to the Apple mothership tracking servers (for
privacy reasons), Apple will eventually lock you out of your device
(simply for wanting a bit of privacy from Apple mothership trackers).
<https://i.postimg.cc/FHKHm9kD/locked01.jpg> Apple requires frequent login
<https://i.postimg.cc/WzjsyjPm/locked02.jpg> Most things still work
<https://i.postimg.cc/MGC6yVPF/locked03.jpg> But some stop working
<https://i.postimg.cc/jdxsQsct/locked04.jpg> And you can't ever use VPN!
Notice the iKooks deny all things they _hate_ about Apple, but they _never_
supply a single reference or real-world experience, which I provided above.

I trust guys who use both iOS & Android over nospam & jolly who don't.

[Alan]

Post by Andy Burnelli

Really this is not a big deal since most people don't sign out of
their Apple accounts.

Steve brings up a good point for the Android users to note which is Apple
will unilaterally destroy your setup if you do NOT sign into Apple
frequently!
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!

Well that's a lie.

So why would I pay attention to anything else you've written?

[Andy Burnelli]

Admittedly, the "walled garden" for iOS/iPadOS does make it not possible
for some capabilities to exist on those devices.

there is no 'walled garden' and what you claim is impossible is not
only very possible, but in some cases without any additional apps
because the functionality is *built* *into* *ios*.

*It's no longer shocking that nospam knows _nothing_ about iOS*

Only iKooks would deny what exists _everywhere_ in iOS, which any adult
can see, and, which _every_ article out there references as very real.

It's only the iKooks who know so little of iOS, they can't even see it.
Yet they will _never_ produce a cite backing up their imaginary beliefs.

This is how people should consider the iKooks who are all low-life scum.
<https://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>