Classic discussion between a normal person and the rather strange iKooks happened just now

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Wally J

2023-11-22 23:43:39 UTC

Classic discussion between a normal person and a set of the iKooks who are
very strange indeed (*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" & "*Nobody needs it*).

It starts out with a normal observation of fact that Apple never tells you.

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 18:09:11 -0800
Subject: Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that over 75% of modern Android models have
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: John <***@nospam.com>
Message-ID: <***@giganews.com>

One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15
Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore you have to buy an
Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music high
fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a legitimate gripe with Apple
from an Apple fan.

Then, after the iKooks deny all facts that they're unaware of, he patiently
tries to re-explain, as if the iKooks own normal adult cognitive skills.

Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 12:57:50 -0800
From: John <***@nospam.com>
Message-ID: <***@giganews.com>

Apple devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD
which ARE REQUIRED for maximum performance with headphones while
playing back 192/24 bit ALAC which Apple Music provides.
My FIIO player does support that with Apple Music and sounds better.
A lot.

The iKooks continue to build strawmen that say essentially that no facts
can exist that they, themselves, are ignorant of - to which he replies...

Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 13:02:42 -0800
From: John <***@nospam.com>
Message-ID: <***@giganews.com>

Further more intelligent people realize the bluetooth codec Apple uses
to connect to its devices is just plain crude. Airpods Max do not
support AptXHD or other advanced codecs and sound like crap compared to
capable headphones like B and W PX8s. Its obvious Alan has absolutely
ZERO audio background.

And... as the iKooks continue to deny that facts can exist that Apple
didn't advertise as facts (hence, they're completely unaware of them),
he patiently keeps trying to explain to these ignorant iKooks...

Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 14:27:22 -0800
From: John <***@nospam.com>
Message-ID: <***@giganews.com>

I am referring to the ability to get lossless support to the headphones.

Apple codecs do NOT support transfer of lossless.
Apple provides only a crude bluetooth capability.

To get true high fidelity to the headphones requires AptX HD or
something better OTHER than Apples Bluetooth.

My FIIO player can take the lossless 192/24 bit from Apple Music
and get it LOSSLESSLY to the the headphones.
Which are something other than Apple products which do not support it.

And... at some point, he was forced to dumb down the message to the
child-like level of the iKooks - but even that failed to penetrate...

Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 14:52:46 -0800
From: John <***@nospam.com>
Message-ID: <***@giganews.com>

The iphone DOES NOT support lossless music because it has no way
to get audio to the headphones by something other than lossy bluetooth.

And... he dumbed it again and again and again, assuming the iKooks just
didn't understand (not realizing the iKooks claim that every fact they
don't like, can't possibly be a fact - merely because they don't like it).

Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 14:29:22 -0800
From: John <***@nospam.com>
Message-ID: <***@giganews.com>

Prove Apple provides something other than lossy Bluetooth as a way to
get wireless audio to headphones. You cannot. Android products do.

No matter how many times he says a fact, the iKooks deny it.

Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 14:51:05 -0800
From: John <***@nospam.com>
Message-ID: <***@giganews.com>

It is completely accurate. Apple Music supports 192/24 bit but Apple
products like iPhone and Airpods Max do not support it. As the iPhone
uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external headphones.
Completely accurate statement and easily understandable
unless one is an idiot.

You should see the childish fabricated excuses the iKooks responded with.
Why?

Because iKooks hate all facts about Apple products.

Why all facts?
Because any fact about Apple product is something they've never seen.

Why not?
Because iKooks only get their "information" from Apple advertisements.

One by one, the iKooks joined in, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris Schram
saying "*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" & "*Nobody needs it*" simply because
they can't get it with the iPhone using its crippled hardware technology.

--
The problem with iKooks is that they hate all facts about Apple products.

Alan

2023-11-22 23:47:00 UTC

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Post by Wally J
Classic discussion between a normal person and a set of the iKooks who are
very strange indeed (*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" & "*Nobody needs it*).
One by one, the iKooks joined in, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris Schram
saying "*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" & "*Nobody needs it*" simply because
they can't get it with the iPhone using its crippled hardware technology.

Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my side of the
conversation.

John

2023-11-23 07:24:25 UTC

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Post by Alan

Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my side of the
conversation.

Your side of the conversation was silly. You actually proved my
original contention that iPhone cannot equal Android performance. Unless
you use a wired headphone connected to an external converter. Which of
course is no longer a comparison just between two different types of
phones. You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative argument
which ended up proving my assertion Android is superior. What a
dumbass. Once again I prove to be a technical expert while you prove to
be a troll.

Alan

2023-11-23 18:17:20 UTC

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Post by John

Post by Alan

Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my side of the
conversation.

Your side of the conversation was silly.

My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.

Post by John
You actually proved my
original contention that iPhone cannot equal Android performance. Unless
you use a wired headphone connected to an external converter. Which of
course is no longer a comparison just between two different types of
phones.

And listening to music on anything except the phones internal speakers
implies more than "just between" the phones, doesn't it?

Post by John
You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative argument
which ended up proving my assertion Android is superior. What a
dumbass. Once again I prove to be a technical expert while you prove to
be a troll.

A "technical expert" who couldn't clearly state what he meant...

...or far more likely, someone who didn't even know what he was saying
was wrong when he wrote:

"One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15
Pro and other models do not support it."

(False. iPhones do support lossless up to 192kHz/24-bit.

"Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based music
player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple Music."

Or a set of wired headphones with a built-in DAC...

...like these:

<https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V>

...for less than $30 Canadian.

Are you done with your losing yet?

John

2023-11-23 19:53:19 UTC

Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my side of the
conversation.

Your side of the conversation was silly.

My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.

Post by John
You actually proved my original contention that iPhone cannot equal
Android performance. Unless you use a wired headphone connected to an
external converter. Which of course is no longer a comparison just
between two different types of phones.

And listening to music on anything except the phones internal speakers
implies more than "just between" the phones, doesn't it?

Post by John
You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative argument which
ended up proving my assertion Android is superior. What a dumbass.
Once again I prove to be a technical expert while you prove to be a
troll.

A "technical expert" who couldn't clearly state what he meant...
...or far more likely, someone who didn't even know what he was saying
"One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15
Pro and other models do not support it."
(False. iPhones do support lossless up to 192kHz/24-bit.
"Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based music
player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple Music."
Or a set of wired headphones with a built-in DAC...
<https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V>
...for less than $30 Canadian.
Are you done with your losing yet?

Once again you are requiring an additional component above the iPhone
itself. Android does not. Therefore Android superior. End of discussion.

Alan

2023-11-23 20:04:39 UTC

Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my side of the
conversation.

Your side of the conversation was silly.

My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.

Post by John
You actually proved my original contention that iPhone cannot equal
Android performance. Unless you use a wired headphone connected to an
external converter. Which of course is no longer a comparison just
between two different types of phones.

And listening to music on anything except the phones internal speakers
implies more than "just between" the phones, doesn't it?

Post by John
You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative argument which
ended up proving my assertion Android is superior. What a dumbass.
Once again I prove to be a technical expert while you prove to be a
troll.

A "technical expert" who couldn't clearly state what he meant...
...or far more likely, someone who didn't even know what he was saying
"One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
15 Pro and other models do not support it."
(False. iPhones do support lossless up to 192kHz/24-bit.
"Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based music
player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple Music."
Or a set of wired headphones with a built-in DAC...
<https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V>
...for less than $30 Canadian.
Are you done with your losing yet?

Once again you are requiring an additional component above the iPhone
itself. Android does not. Therefore Android superior. End of discussion.

The "additional component" being earbuds...

...which you would need in either case.

I guess you weren't done with losing yet.

:-)

John

2023-11-23 20:23:06 UTC

Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my side of the
conversation.

Your side of the conversation was silly.

My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.

Post by John
You actually proved my original contention that iPhone cannot equal
Android performance. Unless you use a wired headphone connected to
an external converter. Which of course is no longer a comparison
just between two different types of phones.

And listening to music on anything except the phones internal
speakers implies more than "just between" the phones, doesn't it?

Post by John
You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative argument which
ended up proving my assertion Android is superior. What a dumbass.
Once again I prove to be a technical expert while you prove to be a
troll.

A "technical expert" who couldn't clearly state what he meant...
...or far more likely, someone who didn't even know what he was
"One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
15 Pro and other models do not support it."
(False. iPhones do support lossless up to 192kHz/24-bit.
"Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based music
player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple Music."
Or a set of wired headphones with a built-in DAC...
<https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V>
...for less than $30 Canadian.
Are you done with your losing yet?

Once again you are requiring an additional component above the iPhone
itself. Android does not. Therefore Android superior. End of discussion.

The "additional component" being earbuds...
...which you would need in either case.
I guess you weren't done with losing yet.
:-)

Apple headphone products do not support it. Therefore you go to
Samsung, an Android maker. LMAO!

Alan

2023-11-23 20:46:35 UTC

Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my side of the
conversation.

Your side of the conversation was silly.

My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.

Post by John
You actually proved my original contention that iPhone cannot equal
Android performance. Unless you use a wired headphone connected to
an external converter. Which of course is no longer a comparison
just between two different types of phones.

And listening to music on anything except the phones internal
speakers implies more than "just between" the phones, doesn't it?

Post by John
You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative argument which
ended up proving my assertion Android is superior. What a
dumbass. Once again I prove to be a technical expert while you
prove to be a troll.

Once again you are requiring an additional component above the iPhone
itself. Android does not. Therefore Android superior. End of discussion.

The "additional component" being earbuds...
...which you would need in either case.
I guess you weren't done with losing yet.
:-)

Apple headphone products do not support it. Therefore you go to
Samsung, an Android maker. LMAO!

So...

...you started with "iPhones don't support 192kHz/24-bit lossless audio!"...

...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted to "they can't
output it to anything!"...

...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted again, to "well they
can't do it over Bluetooth!"...

...which cannot, in fact, be done by any Bluetooth product from anyone...

...BECAUSE BLUETOOTH CAN TRANSFER DATA AT 4.5Mbps!

John

2023-11-23 20:53:07 UTC

Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my side of the
conversation.

Your side of the conversation was silly.

My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.

Post by John
You actually proved my original contention that iPhone cannot
equal Android performance. Unless you use a wired headphone
connected to an external converter. Which of course is no longer
a comparison just between two different types of phones.

And listening to music on anything except the phones internal
speakers implies more than "just between" the phones, doesn't it?

Post by John
You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative argument which
ended up proving my assertion Android is superior. What a
dumbass. Once again I prove to be a technical expert while you
prove to be a troll.

A "technical expert" who couldn't clearly state what he meant...
...or far more likely, someone who didn't even know what he was
"One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits
but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it."
(False. iPhones do support lossless up to 192kHz/24-bit.
"Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based music
player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple Music."
Or a set of wired headphones with a built-in DAC...
<https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V>
...for less than $30 Canadian.
Are you done with your losing yet?

Once again you are requiring an additional component above the
iPhone itself. Android does not. Therefore Android superior. End
of discussion.

The "additional component" being earbuds...
...which you would need in either case.
I guess you weren't done with losing yet.
:-)

Apple headphone products do not support it. Therefore you go to
Samsung, an Android maker. LMAO!

So...
...you started with "iPhones don't support 192kHz/24-bit lossless audio!"...
...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted to "they can't
output it to anything!"...
...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted again, to "well they
can't do it over Bluetooth!"...
...which cannot, in fact, be done by any Bluetooth product from anyone...
...BECAUSE BLUETOOTH CAN TRANSFER DATA AT 4.5Mbps!

Thats why makers other than Apple use AptXHD or other Codecs. Thats
what my original complaint was about Moron. You keep going in circles.

Alan

2023-11-23 20:58:07 UTC

Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my side of
the conversation.

Your side of the conversation was silly.

My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.

Post by John
You actually proved my original contention that iPhone cannot
equal Android performance. Unless you use a wired headphone
connected to an external converter. Which of course is no longer
a comparison just between two different types of phones.

And listening to music on anything except the phones internal
speakers implies more than "just between" the phones, doesn't it?

A "technical expert" who couldn't clearly state what he meant...
...or far more likely, someone who didn't even know what he was
"One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits
but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it."
(False. iPhones do support lossless up to 192kHz/24-bit.
"Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based music
player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple Music."
Or a set of wired headphones with a built-in DAC...
<https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V>
...for less than $30 Canadian.
Are you done with your losing yet?

Once again you are requiring an additional component above the
iPhone itself. Android does not. Therefore Android superior. End
of discussion.

The "additional component" being earbuds...
...which you would need in either case.
I guess you weren't done with losing yet.
:-)

Apple headphone products do not support it. Therefore you go to
Samsung, an Android maker. LMAO!

So...
...you started with "iPhones don't support 192kHz/24-bit lossless audio!"...
...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted to "they can't
output it to anything!"...
...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted again, to "well
they can't do it over Bluetooth!"...
...which cannot, in fact, be done by any Bluetooth product from anyone...
...BECAUSE BLUETOOTH CAN TRANSFER DATA AT 4.5Mbps!

Thats why makers other than Apple use AptXHD or other Codecs. Thats
what my original complaint was about Moron. You keep going in circles.

Sorry, but those CODECS are not lossless.

Straight from the source:

'Audio Encoding 24-bit, up to 48kHz sampling rate'

<https://www.aptx.com/aptx-hd>

But you go right on, little loser.

John

2023-11-23 21:01:55 UTC

Post by Wally J
Classic discussion between a normal person and a set of the
iKooks who are
very strange indeed (*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" & "*Nobody
needs it*).
One by one, the iKooks joined in, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris Schram
saying "*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" & "*Nobody needs it*"
simply because
they can't get it with the iPhone using its crippled hardware technology.

Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my side of
the conversation.

Your side of the conversation was silly.

My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.

Post by John
You actually proved my original contention that iPhone cannot
equal Android performance. Unless you use a wired headphone
connected to an external converter. Which of course is no
longer a comparison just between two different types of phones.

And listening to music on anything except the phones internal
speakers implies more than "just between" the phones, doesn't it?

Post by John
You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative argument
which ended up proving my assertion Android is superior. What
a dumbass. Once again I prove to be a technical expert while you
prove to be a troll.

A "technical expert" who couldn't clearly state what he meant...
...or far more likely, someone who didn't even know what he was
"One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits
but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it."
(False. iPhones do support lossless up to 192kHz/24-bit.
"Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based
music player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple
Music."
Or a set of wired headphones with a built-in DAC...
<https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V>
...for less than $30 Canadian.
Are you done with your losing yet?

Once again you are requiring an additional component above the
iPhone itself. Android does not. Therefore Android superior.
End of discussion.

The "additional component" being earbuds...
...which you would need in either case.
I guess you weren't done with losing yet.
:-)

Apple headphone products do not support it. Therefore you go to
Samsung, an Android maker. LMAO!

So...
...you started with "iPhones don't support 192kHz/24-bit lossless audio!"...
...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted to "they can't
output it to anything!"...
...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted again, to "well
they can't do it over Bluetooth!"...
...which cannot, in fact, be done by any Bluetooth product from anyone...
...BECAUSE BLUETOOTH CAN TRANSFER DATA AT 4.5Mbps!

Thats why makers other than Apple use AptXHD or other Codecs. Thats
what my original complaint was about Moron. You keep going in circles.

Sorry, but those CODECS are not lossless.
'Audio Encoding 24-bit, up to 48kHz sampling rate'
<https://www.aptx.com/aptx-hd>
But you go right on, little loser.

But sure sounds better than what Apple provides. BIG improvement.

Alan

2023-11-23 21:05:24 UTC

Post by Wally J
Classic discussion between a normal person and a set of the
iKooks who are
very strange indeed (*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" &
"*Nobody needs it*).
One by one, the iKooks joined in, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris Schram
saying "*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" & "*Nobody needs it*"
simply because
they can't get it with the iPhone using its crippled hardware
technology.

Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my side of
the conversation.

Your side of the conversation was silly.

My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.

Post by John
You actually proved my original contention that iPhone cannot
equal Android performance. Unless you use a wired headphone
connected to an external converter. Which of course is no
longer a comparison just between two different types of phones.

And listening to music on anything except the phones internal
speakers implies more than "just between" the phones, doesn't it?

Post by John
You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative argument
which ended up proving my assertion Android is superior. What
a dumbass. Once again I prove to be a technical expert while
you prove to be a troll.

A "technical expert" who couldn't clearly state what he meant...
...or far more likely, someone who didn't even know what he was
"One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24
bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it."
(False. iPhones do support lossless up to 192kHz/24-bit.
"Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based
music player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple
Music."
Or a set of wired headphones with a built-in DAC...
<https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V>
...for less than $30 Canadian.
Are you done with your losing yet?

Once again you are requiring an additional component above the
iPhone itself. Android does not. Therefore Android superior.
End of discussion.

The "additional component" being earbuds...
...which you would need in either case.
I guess you weren't done with losing yet.
:-)

Apple headphone products do not support it. Therefore you go to
Samsung, an Android maker. LMAO!

So...
...you started with "iPhones don't support 192kHz/24-bit lossless audio!"...
...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted to "they can't
output it to anything!"...
...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted again, to "well
they can't do it over Bluetooth!"...
...which cannot, in fact, be done by any Bluetooth product from anyone...
...BECAUSE BLUETOOTH CAN TRANSFER DATA AT 4.5Mbps!

Thats why makers other than Apple use AptXHD or other Codecs. Thats
what my original complaint was about Moron. You keep going in circles.

Sorry, but those CODECS are not lossless.
'Audio Encoding 24-bit, up to 48kHz sampling rate'
<https://www.aptx.com/aptx-hd>
But you go right on, little loser.

But sure sounds better than what Apple provides. BIG improvement.

So you've basically lost all your arguments, and you're finally
admitting it. Good for you, little loser!

Questions (yes or no):

Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?

Can you output that audio from the iPhone?

Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?

John

2023-11-23 21:46:25 UTC

Post by Wally J
Classic discussion between a normal person and a set of the
iKooks who are
very strange indeed (*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" &
"*Nobody needs it*).
One by one, the iKooks joined in, Alan Baker, Alan Browne,
Chris Schram
saying "*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" & "*Nobody needs it*"
simply because
they can't get it with the iPhone using its crippled
hardware technology.

Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my side of
the conversation.

Your side of the conversation was silly.

My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.

Post by John
You actually proved my original contention that iPhone cannot
equal Android performance. Unless you use a wired headphone
connected to an external converter. Which of course is no
longer a comparison just between two different types of phones.

And listening to music on anything except the phones internal
speakers implies more than "just between" the phones, doesn't it?

Post by John
You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative argument
which ended up proving my assertion Android is superior.
What a dumbass. Once again I prove to be a technical expert
while you prove to be a troll.

A "technical expert" who couldn't clearly state what he meant...
...or far more likely, someone who didn't even know what he was
"One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24
bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it."
(False. iPhones do support lossless up to 192kHz/24-bit.
"Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based
music player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple
Music."
Or a set of wired headphones with a built-in DAC...
<https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V>
...for less than $30 Canadian.
Are you done with your losing yet?

Once again you are requiring an additional component above the
iPhone itself. Android does not. Therefore Android superior.
End of discussion.

The "additional component" being earbuds...
...which you would need in either case.
I guess you weren't done with losing yet.
:-)

Apple headphone products do not support it. Therefore you go to
Samsung, an Android maker. LMAO!

So...
...you started with "iPhones don't support 192kHz/24-bit lossless audio!"...
...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted to "they can't
output it to anything!"...
...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted again, to "well
they can't do it over Bluetooth!"...
...which cannot, in fact, be done by any Bluetooth product from anyone...
...BECAUSE BLUETOOTH CAN TRANSFER DATA AT 4.5Mbps!

Thats why makers other than Apple use AptXHD or other Codecs.
Thats what my original complaint was about Moron. You keep going in
circles.

Sorry, but those CODECS are not lossless.
'Audio Encoding 24-bit, up to 48kHz sampling rate'
<https://www.aptx.com/aptx-hd>
But you go right on, little loser.

But sure sounds better than what Apple provides. BIG improvement.

So you've basically lost all your arguments, and you're finally
admitting it. Good for you, little loser!
Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?
Can you output that audio from the iPhone?
Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?

Does the iPhone 15 with nothing added and using Apple headphone products
meet or exceed that what is provided by Android?

NO. End of discussion.

Alan

2023-11-23 21:49:44 UTC

Post by Wally J
Classic discussion between a normal person and a set of the
iKooks who are
very strange indeed (*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" &
"*Nobody needs it*).
One by one, the iKooks joined in, Alan Baker, Alan Browne,
Chris Schram
saying "*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" & "*Nobody needs
it*" simply because
they can't get it with the iPhone using its crippled
hardware technology.

Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my side
of the conversation.

Your side of the conversation was silly.

My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.

Post by John
You actually proved my original contention that iPhone cannot
equal Android performance. Unless you use a wired headphone
connected to an external converter. Which of course is no
longer a comparison just between two different types of phones.

And listening to music on anything except the phones internal
speakers implies more than "just between" the phones, doesn't it?

Post by John
You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative argument
which ended up proving my assertion Android is superior. What
a dumbass. Once again I prove to be a technical expert while
you prove to be a troll.

A "technical expert" who couldn't clearly state what he meant...
...or far more likely, someone who didn't even know what he
"One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24
bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it."
(False. iPhones do support lossless up to 192kHz/24-bit.
"Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based
music player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple
Music."
Or a set of wired headphones with a built-in DAC...
<https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V>
...for less than $30 Canadian.
Are you done with your losing yet?

Once again you are requiring an additional component above the
iPhone itself. Android does not. Therefore Android superior.
End of discussion.

The "additional component" being earbuds...
...which you would need in either case.
I guess you weren't done with losing yet.
:-)

Apple headphone products do not support it. Therefore you go to
Samsung, an Android maker. LMAO!

So...
...you started with "iPhones don't support 192kHz/24-bit lossless audio!"...
...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted to "they can't
output it to anything!"...
...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted again, to
"well they can't do it over Bluetooth!"...
...which cannot, in fact, be done by any Bluetooth product from anyone...
...BECAUSE BLUETOOTH CAN TRANSFER DATA AT 4.5Mbps!

Thats why makers other than Apple use AptXHD or other Codecs. Thats
what my original complaint was about Moron. You keep going in circles.

Sorry, but those CODECS are not lossless.
'Audio Encoding 24-bit, up to 48kHz sampling rate'
<https://www.aptx.com/aptx-hd>
But you go right on, little loser.

But sure sounds better than what Apple provides. BIG improvement.

Does the iPhone 15 with nothing added and using Apple headphone products
meet or exceed that what is provided by Android?
NO. End of discussion.

That's an admission that all your earlier arguments were wrong, little
loser.

Thank you!

Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?

You said "no" in your initial post. That was wrong.

Can you output that audio from the iPhone?

You said you can't... ...and that was wrong.

Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?

No, you can't. Not even close.

So anyone who wants to do 192/24 lossless audio from his phone needs to
use wired headphones/earbuds...

...so iPhones and Androids are exactly the same in this.

John

2023-11-23 21:57:39 UTC

Post by Wally J
Classic discussion between a normal person and a set of
the iKooks who are
very strange indeed (*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" &
"*Nobody needs it*).
One by one, the iKooks joined in, Alan Baker, Alan Browne,
Chris Schram
saying "*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" & "*Nobody needs
it*" simply because
they can't get it with the iPhone using its crippled
hardware technology.

Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my side
of the conversation.

Your side of the conversation was silly.

My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.

Post by John
You actually proved my original contention that iPhone
cannot equal Android performance. Unless you use a wired
headphone connected to an external converter. Which of
course is no longer a comparison just between two different
types of phones.

And listening to music on anything except the phones internal
speakers implies more than "just between" the phones, doesn't it?

Post by John
You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative argument
which ended up proving my assertion Android is superior.
What a dumbass. Once again I prove to be a technical expert
while you prove to be a troll.

Once again you are requiring an additional component above the
iPhone itself. Android does not. Therefore Android superior.
End of discussion.

The "additional component" being earbuds...
...which you would need in either case.
I guess you weren't done with losing yet.
:-)

Apple headphone products do not support it. Therefore you go to
Samsung, an Android maker. LMAO!

So...
...you started with "iPhones don't support 192kHz/24-bit lossless audio!"...
...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted to "they
can't output it to anything!"...
...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted again, to
"well they can't do it over Bluetooth!"...
...which cannot, in fact, be done by any Bluetooth product from anyone...
...BECAUSE BLUETOOTH CAN TRANSFER DATA AT 4.5Mbps!

Thats why makers other than Apple use AptXHD or other Codecs.
Thats what my original complaint was about Moron. You keep going
in circles.

Sorry, but those CODECS are not lossless.
'Audio Encoding 24-bit, up to 48kHz sampling rate'
<https://www.aptx.com/aptx-hd>
But you go right on, little loser.

But sure sounds better than what Apple provides. BIG improvement.

Does the iPhone 15 with nothing added and using Apple headphone
products meet or exceed that what is provided by Android?
NO. End of discussion.

That's an admission that all your earlier arguments were wrong, little
loser.
Thank you!
Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?
You said "no" in your initial post. That was wrong.
Can you output that audio from the iPhone?
You said you can't... ...and that was wrong.
Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?
No, you can't. Not even close.
So anyone who wants to do 192/24 lossless audio from his phone needs to
use wired headphones/earbuds...
...so iPhones and Androids are exactly the same in this.

By not supporting advanced codecs with iphones and with their headphone
products Apple is certainly behind. Nice try at trying to smear the
facts. But that is what you always do.

Alan

2023-11-23 22:36:40 UTC

Post by Wally J
Classic discussion between a normal person and a set of
the iKooks who are
very strange indeed (*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" &
"*Nobody needs it*).
One by one, the iKooks joined in, Alan Baker, Alan
Browne, Chris Schram
saying "*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" & "*Nobody needs
it*" simply because
they can't get it with the iPhone using its crippled
hardware technology.

Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my side
of the conversation.

Your side of the conversation was silly.

My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.

Post by John
You actually proved my original contention that iPhone
cannot equal Android performance. Unless you use a wired
headphone connected to an external converter. Which of
course is no longer a comparison just between two different
types of phones.

And listening to music on anything except the phones
internal speakers implies more than "just between" the
phones, doesn't it?

Post by John
You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative
argument which ended up proving my assertion Android is
superior. What a dumbass. Once again I prove to be a
technical expert while you prove to be a troll.

A "technical expert" who couldn't clearly state what he meant...
...or far more likely, someone who didn't even know what he
"One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24
bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it."
(False. iPhones do support lossless up to 192kHz/24-bit.
"Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based
music player to get the best music high fidelity off of
Apple Music."
Or a set of wired headphones with a built-in DAC...
<https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V>
...for less than $30 Canadian.
Are you done with your losing yet?

Once again you are requiring an additional component above
the iPhone itself. Android does not. Therefore Android
superior. End of discussion.

The "additional component" being earbuds...
...which you would need in either case.
I guess you weren't done with losing yet.
:-)

Apple headphone products do not support it. Therefore you go
to Samsung, an Android maker. LMAO!

So...
...you started with "iPhones don't support 192kHz/24-bit lossless audio!"...
...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted to "they
can't output it to anything!"...
...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted again, to
"well they can't do it over Bluetooth!"...
...which cannot, in fact, be done by any Bluetooth product from anyone...
...BECAUSE BLUETOOTH CAN TRANSFER DATA AT 4.5Mbps!

Thats why makers other than Apple use AptXHD or other Codecs.
Thats what my original complaint was about Moron. You keep going
in circles.

Sorry, but those CODECS are not lossless.
'Audio Encoding 24-bit, up to 48kHz sampling rate'
<https://www.aptx.com/aptx-hd>
But you go right on, little loser.

But sure sounds better than what Apple provides. BIG improvement.

Does the iPhone 15 with nothing added and using Apple headphone
products meet or exceed that what is provided by Android?
NO. End of discussion.

That's an admission that all your earlier arguments were wrong, little
loser.
Thank you!
Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?
You said "no" in your initial post. That was wrong.
Can you output that audio from the iPhone?
You said you can't... ...and that was wrong.
Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?
No, you can't. Not even close.
So anyone who wants to do 192/24 lossless audio from his phone needs
to use wired headphones/earbuds...
...so iPhones and Androids are exactly the same in this.

By not supporting advanced codecs with iphones and with their headphone
products Apple is certainly behind. Nice try at trying to smear the
facts. But that is what you always do.

I never said that Apple was supporting the most advanced codecs.

Do you know what a "straw man argument" is, little loser.

Did you claim that the iPhone 15 did not support lossless audio at
192kHz and 24 bits; yes or no?

John

2023-11-23 22:39:49 UTC

Post by Wally J
Classic discussion between a normal person and a set of
the iKooks who are
very strange indeed (*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" &
"*Nobody needs it*).
One by one, the iKooks joined in, Alan Baker, Alan
Browne, Chris Schram
saying "*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" & "*Nobody needs
it*" simply because
they can't get it with the iPhone using its crippled
hardware technology.

Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my
side of the conversation.

Your side of the conversation was silly.

My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.

Post by John
You actually proved my original contention that iPhone
cannot equal Android performance. Unless you use a wired
headphone connected to an external converter. Which of
course is no longer a comparison just between two
different types of phones.

And listening to music on anything except the phones
internal speakers implies more than "just between" the
phones, doesn't it?

Post by John
You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative
argument which ended up proving my assertion Android is
superior. What a dumbass. Once again I prove to be a
technical expert while you prove to be a troll.

A "technical expert" who couldn't clearly state what he meant...
...or far more likely, someone who didn't even know what he
"One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless
audio codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to
192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not
support it."
(False. iPhones do support lossless up to 192kHz/24-bit.
"Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android
based music player to get the best music high fidelity off
of Apple Music."
Or a set of wired headphones with a built-in DAC...
<https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V>
...for less than $30 Canadian.
Are you done with your losing yet?

Once again you are requiring an additional component above
the iPhone itself. Android does not. Therefore Android
superior. End of discussion.

The "additional component" being earbuds...
...which you would need in either case.
I guess you weren't done with losing yet.
:-)

Apple headphone products do not support it. Therefore you go
to Samsung, an Android maker. LMAO!

So...
...you started with "iPhones don't support 192kHz/24-bit
lossless audio!"...
...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted to "they
can't output it to anything!"...
...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted again, to
"well they can't do it over Bluetooth!"...
...which cannot, in fact, be done by any Bluetooth product from anyone...
...BECAUSE BLUETOOTH CAN TRANSFER DATA AT 4.5Mbps!

Thats why makers other than Apple use AptXHD or other Codecs.
Thats what my original complaint was about Moron. You keep
going in circles.

Sorry, but those CODECS are not lossless.
'Audio Encoding 24-bit, up to 48kHz sampling rate'
<https://www.aptx.com/aptx-hd>
But you go right on, little loser.

But sure sounds better than what Apple provides. BIG improvement.

Does the iPhone 15 with nothing added and using Apple headphone
products meet or exceed that what is provided by Android?
NO. End of discussion.

That's an admission that all your earlier arguments were wrong,
little loser.
Thank you!
Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?
You said "no" in your initial post. That was wrong.
Can you output that audio from the iPhone?
You said you can't... ...and that was wrong.
Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?
No, you can't. Not even close.
So anyone who wants to do 192/24 lossless audio from his phone needs
to use wired headphones/earbuds...
...so iPhones and Androids are exactly the same in this.

By not supporting advanced codecs with iphones and with their
headphone products Apple is certainly behind. Nice try at trying to
smear the facts. But that is what you always do.

I never said that Apple was supporting the most advanced codecs.
Do you know what a "straw man argument" is, little loser.
Did you claim that the iPhone 15 did not support lossless audio at
192kHz and 24 bits; yes or no?

I claimed Apple did not support 192/24 over its Bluetooth 5.3. Which is
a true statement.

Alan

2023-11-23 22:48:23 UTC

Post by Wally J
Classic discussion between a normal person and a set of
the iKooks who are
very strange indeed (*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" &
"*Nobody needs it*).
One by one, the iKooks joined in, Alan Baker, Alan
Browne, Chris Schram
saying "*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" & "*Nobody needs
it*" simply because
they can't get it with the iPhone using its crippled
hardware technology.

Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my
side of the conversation.

Your side of the conversation was silly.

My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.

Post by John
You actually proved my original contention that iPhone
cannot equal Android performance. Unless you use a wired
headphone connected to an external converter. Which of
course is no longer a comparison just between two
different types of phones.

And listening to music on anything except the phones
internal speakers implies more than "just between" the
phones, doesn't it?

Post by John
You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative
argument which ended up proving my assertion Android is
superior. What a dumbass. Once again I prove to be a
technical expert while you prove to be a troll.

A "technical expert" who couldn't clearly state what he meant...
...or far more likely, someone who didn't even know what
"One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless
audio codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to
192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not
support it."
(False. iPhones do support lossless up to 192kHz/24-bit.
"Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android
based music player to get the best music high fidelity off
of Apple Music."
Or a set of wired headphones with a built-in DAC...
<https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V>
...for less than $30 Canadian.
Are you done with your losing yet?