Discussion:
OT: I don't think anyone talks about flying a Cessna like this...
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Alan
2023-04-22 05:45:13 UTC
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'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right? After all,
everyone drives.

Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and former Major League
Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and even rocket scientists tell me
that racing a car is the hardest thing they’ve ever done.

If you were to ask someone who has never raced how hard they think it
Would be, they’ll likely relate it to having driven a mountain highway,
or across the country. I’ve received responses like, “How hard could it
be? I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”

That’s the problem.'

<https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>

Oh, and:

'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All those other things
I’ve done in the sky are, at most, flying’s version of driving the
twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern California.
In other words, it’s nothing like it.'
Thomas E.
2023-04-25 14:55:07 UTC
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Post by Alan
'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right? After all,
everyone drives.
Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and former Major League
Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and even rocket scientists tell me
that racing a car is the hardest thing they’ve ever done.
If you were to ask someone who has never raced how hard they think it
Would be, they’ll likely relate it to having driven a mountain highway,
or across the country. I’ve received responses like, “How hard could it
be? I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
That’s the problem.'
<https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All those other things
I’ve done in the sky are, at most, flying’s version of driving the
twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern California.
In other words, it’s nothing like it.'
Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain. That will get your attention. What I did yesterday not so much, but does take training.

The aircraft was a C182T with Garmin G1000 avionics and the KAP140 autopilot. The mission was RTB after a family visit and pickup of Girl Scout cookies ordered from a niece. Yes, FEDEX would have been cheaper for the cookie delivery.

For traffic deconfliction I filed IFR on a CAVU morning out of the Cobb County Atlanta area (KRYY). When I filed via Foreflight ATC required a NOONE, NELLO, JILIS planned routing at 6000' to remain east of and clear of potential incoming IFR traffic on the BUKHD THREE Arrival procedure. All that was programmed into the KAP 140 before we started to taxi out. Immediately after takeoff I contacted Atlanta Departure and they gave me a 360 heading and immediate climb to 6000. About 10 minutes later I got a direct-to-destination clearance. Traffic on the arrival must not have been an issue. It was bumpy at 6000 so we requested a climb to 8000 where the headwinds were a little worse but the air was smooth.

The direct routing took us close to some restricted areas and ATC routed us west of those. Over Kentucky we found ourselves in some thin, but bumpy, stratocumulus and got a climb to 9000 to get back to clear smooth air. On the descent, 100 miles north, the temperature had dropped to the point where we picked up some rime ice in those clouds. I advised ATC but it was not enough to affect aircraft performance. The landing was uneventful except for a 10-15 knot gusty direct crosswind. The landing was uneventful because I have made thousands of them. I'd like to see you or any of the people you mentioned above try it if they are not trained and experienced!

Enroute we talked to KRYY ground, KRYY tower, Atlanta Departure, Atlanta Center, Chatanooga Approach, Memphis Center, Indy Center, Indy Approach and KEYE CTAF. The planned 3.1 hour flight turned out to be 3.6 hours. Winds were a lot stronger than forecast.

You can see the flight profile at https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N721ZA. It's the KRYY/KEYE flight. I also filed to JEKX in case we needed to take a break due to weather or the wife just wanting one. This was her first long x-country in about 10 years. That turned out to be not the case, she was ok with the bumps. Lots of people I have flown are not.

Think you can do that exact flight today?
Alan
2023-04-25 16:33:46 UTC
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Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right? After all,
everyone drives.
Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and former Major
League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and even rocket
scientists tell me that racing a car is the hardest thing they’ve
ever done.
If you were to ask someone who has never raced how hard they think
it Would be, they’ll likely relate it to having driven a mountain
highway, or across the country. I’ve received responses like, “How
hard could it be? I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
That’s the problem.'
<https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All those other
things I’ve done in the sky are, at most, flying’s version of
driving the twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1 in
Northern California. In other words, it’s nothing like it.'
Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums
with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain. That will get your
attention. What I did yesterday not so much, but does take training.
And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is both a pilot
and an accomplished racing driver, and highly respect racing driving
coach (having raced in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours
of Daytona)

A man who has literally done both told you which he feels is more
challenging.

But you know better.

(The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
Thomas E.
2023-04-25 17:04:11 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right? After all,
everyone drives.
Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and former Major
League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and even rocket
scientists tell me that racing a car is the hardest thing they’ve
ever done.
If you were to ask someone who has never raced how hard they think
it Would be, they’ll likely relate it to having driven a mountain
highway, or across the country. I’ve received responses like, “How
hard could it be? I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
That’s the problem.'
<https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All those other
things I’ve done in the sky are, at most, flying’s version of
driving the twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1 in
Northern California. In other words, it’s nothing like it.'
Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums
with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain. That will get your
attention. What I did yesterday not so much, but does take training.
And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is both a pilot
and an accomplished racing driver, and highly respect racing driving
coach (having raced in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours
of Daytona)
A man who has literally done both told you which he feels is more
challenging.
But you know better.
(The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and training. Both are potentially deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and unprepared. I really do not think you can compare which is more difficult. Just too different.

My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do on a routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto races you run. Could I drive around the track at something faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But compete? No.

As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if there is one.

BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email is still an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on a regular basis.
Alan
2023-04-25 17:31:29 UTC
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Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right? After
all, everyone drives.
Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and former
Major League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and even
rocket scientists tell me that racing a car is the hardest
thing they’ve ever done.
If you were to ask someone who has never raced how hard they
think it Would be, they’ll likely relate it to having driven a
mountain highway, or across the country. I’ve received
responses like, “How hard could it be? I drive every day, and
it’s not hard.”
That’s the problem.'
<https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All those other
things I’ve done in the sky are, at most, flying’s version of
driving the twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1
in Northern California. In other words, it’s nothing like it.'
Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172 to
minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain. That
will get your attention. What I did yesterday not so much, but
does take training.
And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is both a
pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and highly respect racing
driving coach (having raced in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in
the 24 Hours of Daytona)
A man who has literally done both told you which he feels is more
challenging.
But you know better.
(The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and training. Both are
potentially deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and unprepared. I
really do not think you can compare which is more difficult. Just too
different.
But you, who do not do both...

...know better than someone who does...

...right, Little Shit?
Post by Thomas E.
My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do on a routine
basis. I am not capable of winning the auto races you run. Could I
drive around the track at something faster than everyday speeds in my
car. Yes. But compete? No.
"Something faster than every day speeds"?

LOLOLOLOLOL

Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach in a 172 to
minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain."...

...every time you go through a corner.
Post by Thomas E.
As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if there
is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid you'll
have to wait until June.
Post by Thomas E.
BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email is still an
open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on a
regular basis.
You're continuing to stalk?
Thomas E.
2023-04-26 12:58:28 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right? After
all, everyone drives.
Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and former
Major League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and even
rocket scientists tell me that racing a car is the hardest
thing they’ve ever done.
If you were to ask someone who has never raced how hard they
think it Would be, they’ll likely relate it to having driven a
mountain highway, or across the country. I’ve received
responses like, “How hard could it be? I drive every day, and
it’s not hard.”
That’s the problem.'
<https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All those other
things I’ve done in the sky are, at most, flying’s version of
driving the twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1
in Northern California. In other words, it’s nothing like it.'
Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172 to
minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain. That
will get your attention. What I did yesterday not so much, but
does take training.
And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is both a
pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and highly respect racing
driving coach (having raced in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in
the 24 Hours of Daytona)
A man who has literally done both told you which he feels is more
challenging.
But you know better.
(The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and training. Both are
potentially deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and unprepared. I
really do not think you can compare which is more difficult. Just too
different.
But you, who do not do both...
...know better than someone who does...
...right, Little Shit?
Post by Thomas E.
My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do on a routine
basis. I am not capable of winning the auto races you run. Could I
drive around the track at something faster than everyday speeds in my
car. Yes. But compete? No.
"Something faster than every day speeds"?
LOLOLOLOLOL
Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach in a 172 to
minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain."...
...every time you go through a corner.
Post by Thomas E.
As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if there
is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid you'll
have to wait until June.
Post by Thomas E.
BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email is still an
open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on a
regular basis.
You're continuing to stalk?
Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant experience claiming that racing is more difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All Star.

Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna. He made a mistake performing what should have been a routine landing in good weather. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death

I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a highly experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172. I caught it and made him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps down from the landing checklist and then never extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I saw, and he is no longer flying for CAP.

As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons like driving through a race course curve versus an instrument approach. Race driving is more intense, flying gives you more time. More time right up to the point where accumulated errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look it up.

As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting aircraft you are just plain lying making any person judgements on how difficult it can be.

As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much in the public domain, and potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an issue. It's has been dragging on for years after all. :-)

Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that fixed. :)
Alan
2023-04-26 17:16:15 UTC
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Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right?
After all, everyone drives.
Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and former
Major League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and even
rocket scientists tell me that racing a car is the hardest
thing they’ve ever done.
If you were to ask someone who has never raced how hard
they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate it to having
driven a mountain highway, or across the country. I’ve
received responses like, “How hard could it be? I drive
every day, and it’s not hard.”
That’s the problem.'
<https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All those
other things I’ve done in the sky are, at most, flying’s
version of driving the twisties on the Tail of the Dragon,
or Highway 1 in Northern California. In other words, it’s
nothing like it.'
Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172 to
minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain.
That will get your attention. What I did yesterday not so
much, but does take training.
And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is both
a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and highly respect
racing driving coach (having raced in the Indy 500, and
finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of Daytona)
A man who has literally done both told you which he feels is
more challenging.
But you know better.
(The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and training. Both
are potentially deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and unprepared.
I really do not think you can compare which is more difficult.
Just too different.
But you, who do not do both...
...know better than someone who does...
...right, Little Shit?
Post by Thomas E.
My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do on a
routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto races you
run. Could I drive around the track at something faster than
everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But compete? No.
"Something faster than every day speeds"?
LOLOLOLOLOL
Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach in a
172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
rain."...
...every time you go through a corner.
Post by Thomas E.
As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if
there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
you'll have to wait until June.
Post by Thomas E.
BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email is still
an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on
a regular basis.
You're continuing to stalk?
Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant experience
claiming that racing is more difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon
Munson. He was catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All
Star.
Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance to the
discussion, Little Shit?
Post by Thomas E.
Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna. He made a
mistake performing what should have been a routine landing in good
weather. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
So he wasn't a very good pilot?
Post by Thomas E.
I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a highly
experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172. I caught it and
made him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps down from the
landing checklist and then never extended the flaps. That, plus other
issues I saw, and he is no longer flying for CAP.
As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons like driving
through a race course curve versus an instrument approach. Race
driving is more intense, flying gives you more time. More time right
up to the point where accumulated errors kill you. The Swiss cheese
of errors. Look it up.
As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting aircraft
you are just plain lying making any person judgements on how
difficult it can be.
I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little Shit.
Post by Thomas E.
As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much in the
public domain, and potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an issue. It's has been
dragging on for years after all. :-)
Or you could just not stalk people.
Post by Thomas E.
Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost
painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from
diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous
CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that
fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
-hh
2023-04-26 23:01:51 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
[Tom, etc]
Post by Thomas E.
…
As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if
there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
you'll have to wait until June.
…
Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost
painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from
diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous
CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that
fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
I happened to see an old associate last night when we were out for dinner.
First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted briefly; I offered my best wishes for
their future back surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me recently).

I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been told, which was
that he has two years still to go before his operation, because he can’t afford
US private health insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.

-hh
Alan
2023-04-27 02:07:39 UTC
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Post by -hh
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
[Tom, etc]
Post by Thomas E.
…
As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if
there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
you'll have to wait until June.
…
Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost
painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from
diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous
CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that
fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
I happened to see an old associate last night when we were out for dinner.
First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted briefly; I offered my best wishes for
their future back surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me recently).
I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been told, which was
that he has two years still to go before his operation, because he can’t afford
US private health insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.
Yup.

I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have liked to get
my hernia surgery...

(It really didn't become a definite thing until February/March this year)

...but on the flip side, EVERY Canadian who needs the surgery can get it...

...without going bankrupt.
-hh
2023-04-27 09:00:31 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by -hh
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
[Tom, etc]
Post by Thomas E.
…
As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if
there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
you'll have to wait until June.
…
Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost
painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from
diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous
CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that
fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
I happened to see an old associate last night when we were out for dinner.
First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted briefly; I offered my best wishes for
their future back surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me recently).
I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been told, which was
that he has two years still to go before his operation, because he can’t afford
US private health insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.
Yup.
I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have liked to get
my hernia surgery...
(It really didn't become a definite thing until February/March this year)
...but on the flip side, EVERY Canadian who needs the surgery can get it...
...without going bankrupt.
Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for decades with
employer provided healthcare & no major health concerns just do not realize
how profoundly bad the American healthcare system sucks for people who
don’t have that health insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their
out of pocket costs.

Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after age 65 and
a few years go past and they need dental work: Medicare does not cover it.
Receding gums meriting a tissue graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.

-hh
Thomas E.
2023-04-28 15:54:37 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by -hh
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
[Tom, etc]
Post by Thomas E.
…
As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if
there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
you'll have to wait until June.
…
Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost
painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from
diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous
CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that
fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
I happened to see an old associate last night when we were out for dinner.
First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted briefly; I offered my best wishes for
their future back surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me recently).
I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been told, which was
that he has two years still to go before his operation, because he can’t afford
US private health insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.
Yup.
I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have liked to get
my hernia surgery...
(It really didn't become a definite thing until February/March this year)
...but on the flip side, EVERY Canadian who needs the surgery can get it...
...without going bankrupt.
Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for decades with
employer provided healthcare & no major health concerns just do not realize
how profoundly bad the American healthcare system sucks for people who
don’t have that health insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their
out of pocket costs.
Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after age 65 and
a few years go past and they need dental work: Medicare does not cover it.
Receding gums meriting a tissue graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.
-hh
Only those with victim disorder regard health care as broken.

Receding gums are a personal issue?

As I look at the Canadian dental program it does not appear to be universal at all. It's also somewhat different by Province. Maybe your example is covered, maybe not. It's more complicated that you know.

In any event, you can buy dental insurance in the U.S. Some Medicare Advantage plans available in lieu of classic Medicare offer dental benefits, but mostly with additional premiums.

For BC: If you receive income or disability assistance, you may be able to have basic dental costs covered. It depends on whether or not you are receiving public assistance.

"Everyone who receives assistance can access emergency dental services to relieve pain."

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance/supplements/dental


At the national level I found this recent article:

"With the new budget having some dental care policies, it appears the government of Canada is beginning to see teeth as part of the human body.

According to the 2022 budget outline, a third of Canadians do not have dental insurance, and in 2018, more than one in five Canadians reported avoiding dental care because of the cost.

But that might finally start changing. The budget has proposed $5.3 billion to Health Canada, so dental care can be provided to the Canadians who need it most.

The amount will be spread out over five years, and it could begin late this year or in early 2023. There’s already $1.7 billion in funding in the works.

The program will cover kids under 12 years old in 2022 and then expand to include anyone under 18, seniors and people living with a disability in 2023. Full implementation would be reached by 2025.

The government says the program will be restricted to families with an income of less than $90,000 annually. Anyone making under $70,000 per year won’t have to make co-payments.

Last month, after the National Democratic Party (NDP) and the federal Liberal government joined hands, NDP leader Jagmeet Singh and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau teased something of the sort being in the pipeline for Canadians.

“We’re using our power to get help to people. We are getting help for people who need their teeth fixed,” said Singh during a press conference on Tuesday. “We’re getting help for people that need to buy their medication and can’t afford to.”

“It wasn’t less than a year ago that the Liberals voted against our dental care program that we were able to put into this agreement,” noted Singh."

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/dental-care-canada-budget-2022
-hh
2023-04-28 20:15:36 UTC
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Post by -hh
Post by Alan
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Post by Alan
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[Tom, etc]
Post by Thomas E.
…
As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if
there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
you'll have to wait until June.
…
Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost
painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from
diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous
CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that
fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
I happened to see an old associate last night when we were out for dinner.
First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted briefly; I offered my best wishes for
their future back surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me recently).
I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been told, which was
that he has two years still to go before his operation, because he can’t afford
US private health insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.
Yup.
I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have liked to get
my hernia surgery...
(It really didn't become a definite thing until February/March this year)
...but on the flip side, EVERY Canadian who needs the surgery can get it...
...without going bankrupt.
Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for decades with
employer provided healthcare & no major health concerns just do not realize
how profoundly bad the American healthcare system sucks for people who
don’t have that health insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their
out of pocket costs.
Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after age 65 and
a few years go past and they need dental work: Medicare does not cover it.
Receding gums meriting a tissue graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.
Only those with victim disorder regard health care as broken.
Or people who can look beyond the tip of their nose: healthcare costs
a third less in Switzerland despite them having a higher cost of living, and
they have superior outcomes. Oh, and it’s also a public/private hybrid, so
American advocates don’t have that deflection attempt either.
Post by Thomas E.
Receding gums are a personal issue?
Just because I happen to know market prices? You may not be aware that
I’ve been taking care of my parents finances for the past decade.

Plus it’s just one example: replacing a cap isn’t cheap without insurance either.
IIRC, Mom’s last one as $2K,
Post by Thomas E.
In any event, you can buy dental insurance in the U.S.
Yup, at additional expense. If I recall correctly, our policy is a supplement
to the basic health insurance, so it’s only something like $102/month.


Some Medicare Advantage plans available in lieu of classic Medicare offer
Post by Thomas E.
dental benefits, but mostly with additional premiums.
Which isn’t basic Medicare which was the point.
Post by Thomas E.
For BC: If you receive income or disability assistance, you may be able to
have basic dental costs covered. It depends on whether or not you are
receiving public assistance.
"Everyone who receives assistance can access emergency dental services to relieve pain."
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance/supplements/dental
"With the new budget having some dental care policies, it appears the government of Canada is beginning to see teeth as part of the human body.
According to the 2022 budget outline, a third of Canadians do not have dental insurance, and in 2018, more than one in five Canadians reported avoiding dental care because of the cost.
But that might finally start changing. The budget has proposed $5.3 billion to Health Canada, so dental care can be provided to the Canadians who need it most.
The amount will be spread out over five years, and it could begin late this year or in early 2023. There’s already $1.7 billion in funding in the works.
Sounds like they recognized the problem & are working to fix it.
When is the US going to follow suit?

-hh
Thomas E.
2023-05-02 13:38:18 UTC
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Post by -hh
Post by Alan
Post by -hh
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
[Tom, etc]
Post by Thomas E.
…
As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if
there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
you'll have to wait until June.
…
Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost
painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from
diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous
CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that
fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
I happened to see an old associate last night when we were out for dinner.
First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted briefly; I offered my best wishes for
their future back surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me recently).
I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been told, which was
that he has two years still to go before his operation, because he can’t afford
US private health insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.
Yup.
I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have liked to get
my hernia surgery...
(It really didn't become a definite thing until February/March this year)
...but on the flip side, EVERY Canadian who needs the surgery can get it...
...without going bankrupt.
Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for decades with
employer provided healthcare & no major health concerns just do not realize
how profoundly bad the American healthcare system sucks for people who
don’t have that health insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their
out of pocket costs.
Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after age 65 and
a few years go past and they need dental work: Medicare does not cover it.
Receding gums meriting a tissue graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.
Only those with victim disorder regard health care as broken.
Or people who can look beyond the tip of their nose: healthcare costs
a third less in Switzerland despite them having a higher cost of living, and
they have superior outcomes. Oh, and it’s also a public/private hybrid, so
American advocates don’t have that deflection attempt either.
Post by Thomas E.
Receding gums are a personal issue?
Just because I happen to know market prices? You may not be aware that
I’ve been taking care of my parents finances for the past decade.
Plus it’s just one example: replacing a cap isn’t cheap without insurance either.
IIRC, Mom’s last one as $2K,
Post by Thomas E.
In any event, you can buy dental insurance in the U.S.
Yup, at additional expense. If I recall correctly, our policy is a supplement
to the basic health insurance, so it’s only something like $102/month.
Some Medicare Advantage plans available in lieu of classic Medicare offer
Post by Thomas E.
dental benefits, but mostly with additional premiums.
Which isn’t basic Medicare which was the point.
Post by Thomas E.
For BC: If you receive income or disability assistance, you may be able to
have basic dental costs covered. It depends on whether or not you are
receiving public assistance.
"Everyone who receives assistance can access emergency dental services to relieve pain."
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance/supplements/dental
"With the new budget having some dental care policies, it appears the government of Canada is beginning to see teeth as part of the human body.
According to the 2022 budget outline, a third of Canadians do not have dental insurance, and in 2018, more than one in five Canadians reported avoiding dental care because of the cost.
But that might finally start changing. The budget has proposed $5.3 billion to Health Canada, so dental care can be provided to the Canadians who need it most.
The amount will be spread out over five years, and it could begin late this year or in early 2023. There’s already $1.7 billion in funding in the works.
Sounds like they recognized the problem & are working to fix it.
When is the US going to follow suit?
-hh
When is the U.S. going to recognize that these programs cost money and collect added taxes to pay for them? Part D was never funded. Thank George W for that attempt to buy the senior vote.
Alan
2023-05-02 16:04:28 UTC
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Post by Alan
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-5, Alan
Post by Alan
On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan
[Tom, etc]
… As for my trip description it's no more
self-serving than your bragging race narratives.
Can't wait to read the next one, if there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery,
I'm afraid you'll have to wait until June.
… Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017.
It was almost painless and no activity restrictions. It
took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on
the way to hospital when the famous CRV incident
occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
have that fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
I happened to see an old associate last night when we were
out for dinner. First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted
briefly; I offered my best wishes for their future back
surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me
recently).
I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been
told, which was that he has two years still to go before
his operation, because he can’t afford US private health
insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.
Yup.
I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have
liked to get my hernia surgery...
(It really didn't become a definite thing until
February/March this year) ...but on the flip side, EVERY
Canadian who needs the surgery can get it... ...without going
bankrupt.
Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for
decades with employer provided healthcare & no major health
concerns just do not realize how profoundly bad the American
healthcare system sucks for people who don’t have that health
insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their out of
pocket costs.
Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after
Medicare does not cover it. Receding gums meriting a tissue
graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.
Only those with victim disorder regard health care as broken.
Or people who can look beyond the tip of their nose: healthcare
costs a third less in Switzerland despite them having a higher cost
of living, and they have superior outcomes. Oh, and it’s also a
public/private hybrid, so American advocates don’t have that
deflection attempt either.
Post by Thomas E.
Receding gums are a personal issue?
Just because I happen to know market prices? You may not be aware
that I’ve been taking care of my parents finances for the past
decade.
Plus it’s just one example: replacing a cap isn’t cheap without
insurance either. IIRC, Mom’s last one as $2K,
Post by Thomas E.
In any event, you can buy dental insurance in the U.S.
Yup, at additional expense. If I recall correctly, our policy is a
supplement to the basic health insurance, so it’s only something
like $102/month. Some Medicare Advantage plans available in lieu of
classic Medicare offer
Post by Thomas E.
dental benefits, but mostly with additional premiums.
Which isn’t basic Medicare which was the point.
Post by Thomas E.
For BC: If you receive income or disability assistance, you may
be able to have basic dental costs covered. It depends on whether
or not you are receiving public assistance.
"Everyone who receives assistance can access emergency dental
services to relieve pain."
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance/supplements/dental
"With the new budget having some dental care policies, it appears
the government of Canada is beginning to see teeth as part of the
human body.
According to the 2022 budget outline, a third of Canadians do not
have dental insurance, and in 2018, more than one in five
Canadians reported avoiding dental care because of the cost.
But that might finally start changing. The budget has proposed
$5.3 billion to Health Canada, so dental care can be provided to
the Canadians who need it most.
The amount will be spread out over five years, and it could begin
late this year or in early 2023. There’s already $1.7 billion in
funding in the works.
Sounds like they recognized the problem & are working to fix it.
When is the US going to follow suit?
-hh
When is the U.S. going to recognize that these programs cost money
and collect added taxes to pay for them? Part D was never funded.
Thank George W for that attempt to buy the senior vote.
When are you going to agree that the uptick in the deficit has been
caused by the huge tax break that Trump and the Rethuglicans gave to the
uber-rich?
-hh
2023-05-02 18:39:09 UTC
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Post by Thomas E.
Post by Thomas E.
Post by -hh
Post by Alan
Post by -hh
Post by Alan
[Tom, etc]
… As for my trip description it's no more
self-serving than your bragging race narratives.
Can't wait to read the next one, if there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery,
I'm afraid you'll have to wait until June.
… Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017.
It was almost painless and no activity restrictions. It
took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on
the way to hospital when the famous CRV incident
occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
have that fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
I happened to see an old associate last night when we were
out for dinner. First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted
briefly; I offered my best wishes for their future back
surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me
recently).
I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been
told, which was that he has two years still to go before
his operation, because he can’t afford US private health
insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.
Yup.
I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have
liked to get my hernia surgery...
(It really didn't become a definite thing until
February/March this year) ...but on the flip side, EVERY
Canadian who needs the surgery can get it... ...without going
bankrupt.
Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for
decades with employer provided healthcare & no major health
concerns just do not realize how profoundly bad the American
healthcare system sucks for people who don’t have that health
insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their out of
pocket costs.
Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after
Medicare does not cover it. Receding gums meriting a tissue
graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.
Only those with victim disorder regard health care as broken.
Or people who can look beyond the tip of their nose: healthcare
costs a third less in Switzerland despite them having a higher cost
of living, and they have superior outcomes. Oh, and it’s also a
public/private hybrid, so American advocates don’t have that
deflection attempt either.
Post by Thomas E.
Receding gums are a personal issue?
Just because I happen to know market prices? You may not be aware
that I’ve been taking care of my parents finances for the past
decade.
Plus it’s just one example: replacing a cap isn’t cheap without
insurance either. IIRC, Mom’s last one as $2K,
Post by Thomas E.
In any event, you can buy dental insurance in the U.S.
Yup, at additional expense. If I recall correctly, our policy is a
supplement to the basic health insurance, so it’s only something
like $102/month. Some Medicare Advantage plans available in lieu of
classic Medicare offer
Post by Thomas E.
dental benefits, but mostly with additional premiums.
Which isn’t basic Medicare which was the point.
Post by Thomas E.
For BC: If you receive income or disability assistance, you may
be able to have basic dental costs covered. It depends on whether
or not you are receiving public assistance.
"Everyone who receives assistance can access emergency dental
services to relieve pain."
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance/supplements/dental
"With the new budget having some dental care policies, it appears
the government of Canada is beginning to see teeth as part of the
human body.
According to the 2022 budget outline, a third of Canadians do not
have dental insurance, and in 2018, more than one in five
Canadians reported avoiding dental care because of the cost.
But that might finally start changing. The budget has proposed
$5.3 billion to Health Canada, so dental care can be provided to
the Canadians who need it most.
The amount will be spread out over five years, and it could begin
late this year or in early 2023. There’s already $1.7 billion in
funding in the works.
Sounds like they recognized the problem & are working to fix it.
When is the US going to follow suit?
When is the U.S. going to recognize that these programs cost money
and collect added taxes to pay for them?
If we were to get rid of the corporate graft in healthcare, the additional
expense for dental & vision would be easily paid for, just as it is in Europe.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Part D was never funded.
Thank George W for that attempt to buy the senior vote.
When are you going to agree that the uptick in the deficit has been
caused by the huge tax break that Trump and the Rethuglicans gave
to the uber-rich?
When he realizes that he’s no longer the beneficiary. Maybe.

-hh
Thomas E.
2023-05-04 22:16:49 UTC
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Post by -hh
Post by Alan
[Tom, etc]
… As for my trip description it's no more
self-serving than your bragging race narratives.
Can't wait to read the next one, if there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery,
I'm afraid you'll have to wait until June.
… Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017.
It was almost painless and no activity restrictions. It
took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on
the way to hospital when the famous CRV incident
occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
have that fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
I happened to see an old associate last night when we were
out for dinner. First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted
briefly; I offered my best wishes for their future back
surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me
recently).
I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been
told, which was that he has two years still to go before
his operation, because he can’t afford US private health
insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.
Yup.
I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have
liked to get my hernia surgery...
(It really didn't become a definite thing until
February/March this year) ...but on the flip side, EVERY
Canadian who needs the surgery can get it... ...without going
bankrupt.
Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for
decades with employer provided healthcare & no major health
concerns just do not realize how profoundly bad the American
healthcare system sucks for people who don’t have that health
insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their out of
pocket costs.
Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after
Medicare does not cover it. Receding gums meriting a tissue
graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.
Only those with victim disorder regard health care as broken.
Or people who can look beyond the tip of their nose: healthcare
costs a third less in Switzerland despite them having a higher cost
of living, and they have superior outcomes. Oh, and it’s also a
public/private hybrid, so American advocates don’t have that
deflection attempt either.
Post by Thomas E.
Receding gums are a personal issue?
Just because I happen to know market prices? You may not be aware
that I’ve been taking care of my parents finances for the past
decade.
Plus it’s just one example: replacing a cap isn’t cheap without
insurance either. IIRC, Mom’s last one as $2K,
Post by Thomas E.
In any event, you can buy dental insurance in the U.S.
Yup, at additional expense. If I recall correctly, our policy is a
supplement to the basic health insurance, so it’s only something
like $102/month. Some Medicare Advantage plans available in lieu of
classic Medicare offer
Post by Thomas E.
dental benefits, but mostly with additional premiums.
Which isn’t basic Medicare which was the point.
Post by Thomas E.
For BC: If you receive income or disability assistance, you may
be able to have basic dental costs covered. It depends on whether
or not you are receiving public assistance.
"Everyone who receives assistance can access emergency dental
services to relieve pain."
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance/supplements/dental
"With the new budget having some dental care policies, it appears
the government of Canada is beginning to see teeth as part of the
human body.
According to the 2022 budget outline, a third of Canadians do not
have dental insurance, and in 2018, more than one in five
Canadians reported avoiding dental care because of the cost.
But that might finally start changing. The budget has proposed
$5.3 billion to Health Canada, so dental care can be provided to
the Canadians who need it most.
The amount will be spread out over five years, and it could begin
late this year or in early 2023. There’s already $1.7 billion in
funding in the works.
Sounds like they recognized the problem & are working to fix it.
When is the US going to follow suit?
-hh
When is the U.S. going to recognize that these programs cost money
and collect added taxes to pay for them? Part D was never funded.
Thank George W for that attempt to buy the senior vote.
When are you going to agree that the uptick in the deficit has been
caused by the huge tax break that Trump and the Rethuglicans gave to the
uber-rich?
Really????? Uptick? $3 trillion is an "uptick"?

Federal tax collections, spending and deficit, 2016-2021.

Year Taxes Spending Deficit
2016 $2,457.785 $3,077.942 -$620.157
2017 $2,465.566 $3,180.429 -$714.863
2018 $2,475.160 $3,260.473 -$785.313
2019 $2,549.061 $3,540.339 -$991.278
2020 $2,455.736 $5,598.021 -$3,142.285
2021 $3,094.789 $5,818.602 -$2,723.813

I'm no genius, but it looks to me like spending was the real cause.

The Biden budget for next year is $6.9 trillion and a deficit approaching $2 trillion.
Alan
2023-05-05 16:56:38 UTC
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Post by Thomas E.
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Post by Alan
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Post by Alan
[Tom, etc]
… As for my trip description it's no more
self-serving than your bragging race narratives.
Can't wait to read the next one, if there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery,
I'm afraid you'll have to wait until June.
… Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017.
It was almost painless and no activity restrictions. It
took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on
the way to hospital when the famous CRV incident
occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
have that fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
I happened to see an old associate last night when we were
out for dinner. First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted
briefly; I offered my best wishes for their future back
surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me
recently).
I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been
told, which was that he has two years still to go before
his operation, because he can’t afford US private health
insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.
Yup.
I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have
liked to get my hernia surgery...
(It really didn't become a definite thing until
February/March this year) ...but on the flip side, EVERY
Canadian who needs the surgery can get it... ...without going
bankrupt.
Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for
decades with employer provided healthcare & no major health
concerns just do not realize how profoundly bad the American
healthcare system sucks for people who don’t have that health
insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their out of
pocket costs.
Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after
Medicare does not cover it. Receding gums meriting a tissue
graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.
Only those with victim disorder regard health care as broken.
Or people who can look beyond the tip of their nose: healthcare
costs a third less in Switzerland despite them having a higher cost
of living, and they have superior outcomes. Oh, and it’s also a
public/private hybrid, so American advocates don’t have that
deflection attempt either.
Post by Thomas E.
Receding gums are a personal issue?
Just because I happen to know market prices? You may not be aware
that I’ve been taking care of my parents finances for the past
decade.
Plus it’s just one example: replacing a cap isn’t cheap without
insurance either. IIRC, Mom’s last one as $2K,
Post by Thomas E.
In any event, you can buy dental insurance in the U.S.
Yup, at additional expense. If I recall correctly, our policy is a
supplement to the basic health insurance, so it’s only something
like $102/month. Some Medicare Advantage plans available in lieu of
classic Medicare offer
Post by Thomas E.
dental benefits, but mostly with additional premiums.
Which isn’t basic Medicare which was the point.
Post by Thomas E.
For BC: If you receive income or disability assistance, you may
be able to have basic dental costs covered. It depends on whether
or not you are receiving public assistance.
"Everyone who receives assistance can access emergency dental
services to relieve pain."
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance/supplements/dental
"With the new budget having some dental care policies, it appears
the government of Canada is beginning to see teeth as part of the
human body.
According to the 2022 budget outline, a third of Canadians do not
have dental insurance, and in 2018, more than one in five
Canadians reported avoiding dental care because of the cost.
But that might finally start changing. The budget has proposed
$5.3 billion to Health Canada, so dental care can be provided to
the Canadians who need it most.
The amount will be spread out over five years, and it could begin
late this year or in early 2023. There’s already $1.7 billion in
funding in the works.
Sounds like they recognized the problem & are working to fix it.
When is the US going to follow suit?
-hh
When is the U.S. going to recognize that these programs cost money
and collect added taxes to pay for them? Part D was never funded.
Thank George W for that attempt to buy the senior vote.
When are you going to agree that the uptick in the deficit has been
caused by the huge tax break that Trump and the Rethuglicans gave to the
uber-rich?
Really????? Uptick? $3 trillion is an "uptick"?
Federal tax collections, spending and deficit, 2016-2021.
Year Taxes Spending Deficit
2016 $2,457.785 $3,077.942 -$620.157
2017 $2,465.566 $3,180.429 -$714.863
2018 $2,475.160 $3,260.473 -$785.313
2019 $2,549.061 $3,540.339 -$991.278
2020 $2,455.736 $5,598.021 -$3,142.285
2021 $3,094.789 $5,818.602 -$2,723.813
I'm no genius, but it looks to me like spending was the real cause.
The Biden budget for next year is $6.9 trillion and a deficit approaching $2 trillion.
Sorry... ...no source = no need to refute.

And you get that there was a HUGE pandemic that began at the beginning
of 2020...

...right, Little Shit?
Thomas E.
2023-05-05 19:17:21 UTC
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[Tom, etc]
… As for my trip description it's no more
self-serving than your bragging race narratives.
Can't wait to read the next one, if there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery,
I'm afraid you'll have to wait until June.
… Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017.
It was almost painless and no activity restrictions. It
took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on
the way to hospital when the famous CRV incident
occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
have that fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
I happened to see an old associate last night when we were
out for dinner. First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted
briefly; I offered my best wishes for their future back
surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me
recently).
I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been
told, which was that he has two years still to go before
his operation, because he can’t afford US private health
insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.
Yup.
I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have
liked to get my hernia surgery...
(It really didn't become a definite thing until
February/March this year) ...but on the flip side, EVERY
Canadian who needs the surgery can get it... ...without going
bankrupt.
Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for
decades with employer provided healthcare & no major health
concerns just do not realize how profoundly bad the American
healthcare system sucks for people who don’t have that health
insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their out of
pocket costs.
Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after
Medicare does not cover it. Receding gums meriting a tissue
graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.
Only those with victim disorder regard health care as broken.
Or people who can look beyond the tip of their nose: healthcare
costs a third less in Switzerland despite them having a higher cost
of living, and they have superior outcomes. Oh, and it’s also a
public/private hybrid, so American advocates don’t have that
deflection attempt either.
Post by Thomas E.
Receding gums are a personal issue?
Just because I happen to know market prices? You may not be aware
that I’ve been taking care of my parents finances for the past
decade.
Plus it’s just one example: replacing a cap isn’t cheap without
insurance either. IIRC, Mom’s last one as $2K,
Post by Thomas E.
In any event, you can buy dental insurance in the U.S.
Yup, at additional expense. If I recall correctly, our policy is a
supplement to the basic health insurance, so it’s only something
like $102/month. Some Medicare Advantage plans available in lieu of
classic Medicare offer
Post by Thomas E.
dental benefits, but mostly with additional premiums.
Which isn’t basic Medicare which was the point.
Post by Thomas E.
For BC: If you receive income or disability assistance, you may
be able to have basic dental costs covered. It depends on whether
or not you are receiving public assistance.
"Everyone who receives assistance can access emergency dental
services to relieve pain."
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance/supplements/dental
"With the new budget having some dental care policies, it appears
the government of Canada is beginning to see teeth as part of the
human body.
According to the 2022 budget outline, a third of Canadians do not
have dental insurance, and in 2018, more than one in five
Canadians reported avoiding dental care because of the cost.
But that might finally start changing. The budget has proposed
$5.3 billion to Health Canada, so dental care can be provided to
the Canadians who need it most.
The amount will be spread out over five years, and it could begin
late this year or in early 2023. There’s already $1.7 billion in
funding in the works.
Sounds like they recognized the problem & are working to fix it.
When is the US going to follow suit?
-hh
When is the U.S. going to recognize that these programs cost money
and collect added taxes to pay for them? Part D was never funded.
Thank George W for that attempt to buy the senior vote.
When are you going to agree that the uptick in the deficit has been
caused by the huge tax break that Trump and the Rethuglicans gave to the
uber-rich?
Really????? Uptick? $3 trillion is an "uptick"?
Federal tax collections, spending and deficit, 2016-2021.
Year Taxes Spending Deficit
2016 $2,457.785 $3,077.942 -$620.157
2017 $2,465.566 $3,180.429 -$714.863
2018 $2,475.160 $3,260.473 -$785.313
2019 $2,549.061 $3,540.339 -$991.278
2020 $2,455.736 $5,598.021 -$3,142.285
2021 $3,094.789 $5,818.602 -$2,723.813
I'm no genius, but it looks to me like spending was the real cause.
The Biden budget for next year is $6.9 trillion and a deficit approaching $2 trillion.
Sorry... ...no source = no need to refute.
And you get that there was a HUGE pandemic that began at the beginning
of 2020...
...right, Little Shit?
Source: http://www.polidiotic.com/by-the-numbers/us-federal-deficit-by-year/

Got better numbers?

I get the pandemic, which is why tax revenues decreased, not the Trump era tax cuts. I was arguing with the HH assertion that it was tax cuts that caused the deficit increases, CLEARLY not the case, it was spending. Further, post Trump tax cuts, tax receipts were record-high in 2021.
Thomas E.
2023-04-28 15:32:32 UTC
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Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right?
After all, everyone drives.
Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and former
Major League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and even
rocket scientists tell me that racing a car is the hardest
thing they’ve ever done.
If you were to ask someone who has never raced how hard
they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate it to having
driven a mountain highway, or across the country. I’ve
received responses like, “How hard could it be? I drive
every day, and it’s not hard.”
That’s the problem.'
<https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All those
other things I’ve done in the sky are, at most, flying’s
version of driving the twisties on the Tail of the Dragon,
or Highway 1 in Northern California. In other words, it’s
nothing like it.'
Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172 to
minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain.
That will get your attention. What I did yesterday not so
much, but does take training.
And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is both
a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and highly respect
racing driving coach (having raced in the Indy 500, and
finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of Daytona)
A man who has literally done both told you which he feels is
more challenging.
But you know better.
(The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and training. Both
are potentially deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and unprepared.
I really do not think you can compare which is more difficult.
Just too different.
But you, who do not do both...
...know better than someone who does...
...right, Little Shit?
Post by Thomas E.
My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do on a
routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto races you
run. Could I drive around the track at something faster than
everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But compete? No.
"Something faster than every day speeds"?
LOLOLOLOLOL
Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach in a
172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
rain."...
...every time you go through a corner.
Post by Thomas E.
As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if
there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
you'll have to wait until June.
Post by Thomas E.
BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email is still
an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on
a regular basis.
You're continuing to stalk?
Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant experience
claiming that racing is more difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon
Munson. He was catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All
Star.
Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance to the
discussion, Little Shit?
Post by Thomas E.
Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna. He made a
mistake performing what should have been a routine landing in good
weather. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
So he wasn't a very good pilot?
Post by Thomas E.
I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a highly
experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172. I caught it and
made him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps down from the
landing checklist and then never extended the flaps. That, plus other
issues I saw, and he is no longer flying for CAP.
As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons like driving
through a race course curve versus an instrument approach. Race
driving is more intense, flying gives you more time. More time right
up to the point where accumulated errors kill you. The Swiss cheese
of errors. Look it up.
As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting aircraft
you are just plain lying making any person judgements on how
difficult it can be.
I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little Shit.
Post by Thomas E.
As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much in the
public domain, and potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an issue. It's has been
dragging on for years after all. :-)
Or you could just not stalk people.
Post by Thomas E.
Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost
painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from
diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous
CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that
fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are inserting the competitive element of racing in a car compared to flying. Let's level the field by looking at the aircraft race records. The only long-term case available is Reno, and this year is the last one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents. Here is the record of those Reno Air Race fatal accidents. How many fatal accidents has your SCCBC race circuit had in its existence?

https://www.bing.com/search?q=reno+air+races+fatal+accidents&cvid=9b9d481fb1554d61bdac88e47145608a&aqs=edge.0.69i59j69i57j0l4j46j0j69i60.5748j0j9&FORM=ANAB01&PC=DCTS

Sept. 18, 2022: Pilot Aaron Hogue, of Henderson, Nevada, died in a crash during the Jet Gold Race. The cause is under investigation.

Sept. 8, 2014: Pilot Lee Behel, 64, of San Jose, California, died in a crash when portions of the right wing separated from his experimental aircraft during qualifying heats.

Sept. 16, 2011: Pilot Jimmy Leeward and 10 spectators died when his heavily modified World War II-era aircraft lost control while banking around a pylon at Reno-Stead Airport and slammed into the box seating area. About 70 people were seriously injured, many from flying shrapnel.

Sept. 7, 2008: Formula One pilot Erica Simpson was killed during practice Saturday when the wings broke off her home-built plane as she attempted a roll.

Sept. 14, 2007: Pilot Gary Hubler, 51, of Caldwell, Idaho died when his plane clipped another.

Sept. 13, 2007: Pilot Brad Morehouse of Aston, Wyoming died in a crash of a L-39 jet during race.

Sept. 11, 2007: Pilot Steve Dari of Lemon Grove, California died when his biplane crashed on takeoff during practice.

Sept. 13, 2002: Pilot Tommy Rose of Hickory, Mississippi died when his Sport Class racer crashed into sagebrush during a race.

Sept. 18, 1999: Gary Levitz of Grand Prairie, Texas died when his P-51 disintegrated during a race, scattering debris and damaging a house.

Sept. 17, 1998: Pilot Dick Roberts of Maybee, Michigan died when his Formula One crashed in the desert after a race. Roberts had suffered a massive heart attack.

Sept. 18, 1994: Pilot Ralph Twombly of Wellsville, New York died when his T-6 crashed after colliding with another T-6 at the start of a race. His plane crashed beside a house west of the airport.

Sept. 12, 1994: Pilot Bill Speer of La Mesa, California died when his P-51 crashed next to the east-west runway after engine failure sprayed his windshield with oil.

Sept. 14, 1993: Pilot Rick Brickert, 38, Sandy, Utah died when his unlimited plane named "Pond Racer" crashed in the desert while preparing to land. The 38-year-old former champion died in the twin-engine racer in an emergency landing following an engine malfunction.

Sept. 15, 1989: Pilot Errol Roberson, 49, of Warrenton, Oregon, died when his Formula One crashed after being caught in a dust devil during a race.

Sept. 16, 1987: Pilot Errol Johnstad, 48, of West Berlin, East Germany died when his Formula One crashed after losing lift and fell out of the sky. The cause remains unknown.

Sept. 16, 1981: Pilot Bob Downey, 64, of Whittier, California died when his Formula One crashed west of the airport 300 yards from homes in the Silver Knolls area during practicing. It was unclear what caused the crash — an airplane malfunction or a health problem with the pilot who was on what one official called a "radical diet."

Sept. 14, 1979: Pilot Fred Wofford, 41, of Reno died when his Formula One crashed in a turn during a race. The crash was a mile from the grandstands.

Sept. 17, 1978: Pilots Dimitry Prian of Long Beach, California and Don DeWalt of El Monte, California died when their T-6s collided during a race.

Sept. 12, 1975: Wing-walker Gordon McCollom of Costa Mesa, California was hanging under the plane as it dropped too close to the runway in what one official called a "freakish downdraft." He scraped his head on the runway, dying instantly.

Sept. 12, 1975: Pilot M.D. Washburn, 40, of Houston, Texas died when the wing of his T-6 clipped a pylon. He crashed while in a tight formation at the start of the race.

Sept. 17, 1972: Pilot H.E. "Tommy" Thomas, 50, of Sacramento died when his biplane crashed during a race. Thomas'plane slammed to the ground at 150 mph. The high-powered racer was on the first lap of an eight-lap race when it dropped from a group of racers.

Remember this is an annual event and only a few hundred pilots involved per event. These are only fatal accidents. Still think flying is not as difficult as car racing? You will probably rationalize something.

On the subject of your "issue:" You could just fix the issue. Or I think you could. Maybe it's even more damning than appears on the surface.

On your wait to get a simple surgery:

Actually, Medicaid recipients get similar access as private insurance. I'm on Medicare, and have essentially the same coverage as private insurance but with a lower deductible. My 20% copay is covered by a Medicare supplement paid for by my former employer. You don't have to be rich or have private insurance to get immediate care in the U.S. I have the best of all worlds, and I'm rich too! But not rich or foolish enough to go without health insurance. Yes, our U.S. system has its advantages.
Alan
2023-04-29 08:17:11 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan
Post by Alan
'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right?
After all, everyone drives.
Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and
former Major League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons,
and even rocket scientists tell me that racing a car is
the hardest thing they’ve ever done.
If you were to ask someone who has never raced how
hard they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate it
to having driven a mountain highway, or across the
country. I’ve received responses like, “How hard could
it be? I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
That’s the problem.'
<https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All
those other things I’ve done in the sky are, at most,
flying’s version of driving the twisties on the Tail of
the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern California. In
other words, it’s nothing like it.'
Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172
to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
rain. That will get your attention. What I did yesterday
not so much, but does take training.
And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is
both a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and highly
respect racing driving coach (having raced in the Indy 500,
and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of Daytona)
A man who has literally done both told you which he feels
is more challenging.
But you know better.
(The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and training.
Both are potentially deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and
unprepared. I really do not think you can compare which is
more difficult. Just too different.
But you, who do not do both...
...know better than someone who does...
...right, Little Shit?
Post by Thomas E.
My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do on a
routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto races
you run. Could I drive around the track at something faster
than everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But compete? No.
"Something faster than every day speeds"?
LOLOLOLOLOL
Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach in
a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
rain."...
...every time you go through a corner.
Post by Thomas E.
As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than
your bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next
one, if there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
you'll have to wait until June.
Post by Thomas E.
BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email is
still an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it? I'm
checking on a regular basis.
You're continuing to stalk?
Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant
experience claiming that racing is more difficult than driving.
Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was catcher for the Yankees for 11
years and 7-time All Star.
Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance to
the discussion, Little Shit?
Post by Thomas E.
Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna. He
made a mistake performing what should have been a routine landing
in good weather.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
So he wasn't a very good pilot?
Post by Thomas E.
I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a highly
experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172. I caught it
and made him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps down
from the landing checklist and then never extended the flaps.
That, plus other issues I saw, and he is no longer flying for
CAP.
As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons like
driving through a race course curve versus an instrument
approach. Race driving is more intense, flying gives you more
time. More time right up to the point where accumulated errors
kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look it up.
As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting
aircraft you are just plain lying making any person judgements on
how difficult it can be.
I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little Shit.
Post by Thomas E.
As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much in
the public domain, and potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an issue. It's has
been dragging on for years after all. :-)
Or you could just not stalk people.
Post by Thomas E.
Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was
almost painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a
week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when
the famous CRV incident occurred. But you have health care
waiting lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would
already have that fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are inserting the
competitive element of racing in a car compared to flying. Let's
level the field by looking at the aircraft race records. The only
long-term case available is Reno, and this year is the last one. Some
the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents. Here is the
record of those Reno Air Race fatal accidents. How many fatal
accidents has your SCCBC race circuit had in its existence?
And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.

Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying Little Shit.

I think you do.
Thomas E.
2023-05-02 13:55:51 UTC
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Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right?
After all, everyone drives.
Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and
former Major League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons,
and even rocket scientists tell me that racing a car is
the hardest thing they’ve ever done.
If you were to ask someone who has never raced how
hard they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate it
to having driven a mountain highway, or across the
country. I’ve received responses like, “How hard could
it be? I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
That’s the problem.'
<https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All
those other things I’ve done in the sky are, at most,
flying’s version of driving the twisties on the Tail of
the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern California. In
other words, it’s nothing like it.'
Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172
to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
rain. That will get your attention. What I did yesterday
not so much, but does take training.
And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is
both a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and highly
respect racing driving coach (having raced in the Indy 500,
and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of Daytona)
A man who has literally done both told you which he feels
is more challenging.
But you know better.
(The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and training.
Both are potentially deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and
unprepared. I really do not think you can compare which is
more difficult. Just too different.
But you, who do not do both...
...know better than someone who does...
...right, Little Shit?
Post by Thomas E.
My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do on a
routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto races
you run. Could I drive around the track at something faster
than everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But compete? No.
"Something faster than every day speeds"?
LOLOLOLOLOL
Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach in
a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
rain."...
...every time you go through a corner.
Post by Thomas E.
As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than
your bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next
one, if there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
you'll have to wait until June.
Post by Thomas E.
BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email is
still an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it? I'm
checking on a regular basis.
You're continuing to stalk?
Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant
experience claiming that racing is more difficult than driving.
Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was catcher for the Yankees for 11
years and 7-time All Star.
Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance to
the discussion, Little Shit?
Post by Thomas E.
Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna. He
made a mistake performing what should have been a routine landing
in good weather.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
So he wasn't a very good pilot?
Post by Thomas E.
I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a highly
experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172. I caught it
and made him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps down
from the landing checklist and then never extended the flaps.
That, plus other issues I saw, and he is no longer flying for
CAP.
As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons like
driving through a race course curve versus an instrument
approach. Race driving is more intense, flying gives you more
time. More time right up to the point where accumulated errors
kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look it up.
As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting
aircraft you are just plain lying making any person judgements on
how difficult it can be.
I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little Shit.
Post by Thomas E.
As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much in
the public domain, and potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an issue. It's has
been dragging on for years after all. :-)
Or you could just not stalk people.
Post by Thomas E.
Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was
almost painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a
week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when
the famous CRV incident occurred. But you have health care
waiting lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would
already have that fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are inserting the
competitive element of racing in a car compared to flying. Let's
level the field by looking at the aircraft race records. The only
long-term case available is Reno, and this year is the last one. Some
the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents. Here is the
record of those Reno Air Race fatal accidents. How many fatal
accidents has your SCCBC race circuit had in its existence?
And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying Little Shit.
I think you do.
Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a certain debt you owe? :-)

I do remember, but as I have also stated you are comparing race cars to non race flying. My point continues to be that flying can be as intense as racing cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that aircraft are likely more intense and dangerous than cars. Consider that racing aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or more. Look at that Reno fatal accident record. High g forces break things.

Of course you also have essentially zero flying experience while I have raced go karts and once drove a Nascar Sportsman car for 30 minutes on a short oval.
Alan
2023-05-02 16:01:29 UTC
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Post by Alan
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Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4, Alan
Post by Alan
On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4,
Post by Alan
'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy,
right? After all, everyone drives.
Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and
former Major League Baseball pitchers, brain
surgeons, and even rocket scientists tell me that
racing a car is the hardest thing they’ve ever
done.
If you were to ask someone who has never raced how
hard they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate
it to having driven a mountain highway, or across
the country. I’ve received responses like, “How
hard could it be? I drive every day, and it’s not
hard.”
That’s the problem.'
<https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All
those other things I’ve done in the sky are, at
most, flying’s version of driving the twisties on
the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern
California. In other words, it’s nothing like it.'
Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a
172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in
heavy rain. That will get your attention. What I did
yesterday not so much, but does take training.
And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who
is both a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and
highly respect racing driving coach (having raced in
the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of
Daytona)
A man who has literally done both told you which he
feels is more challenging.
But you know better.
(The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and
training. Both are potentially deadly to the unlucky,
untrained, and unprepared. I really do not think you can
compare which is more difficult. Just too different.
But you, who do not do both...
...know better than someone who does...
...right, Little Shit?
My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do
on a routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto
races you run. Could I drive around the track at
something faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But
compete? No.
"Something faster than every day speeds"?
LOLOLOLOLOL
Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach
in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in
heavy rain."...
...every time you go through a corner.
As for my trip description it's no more self-serving
than your bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read
the next one, if there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm
afraid you'll have to wait until June.
BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email
is still an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it?
I'm checking on a regular basis.
You're continuing to stalk?
Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant
experience claiming that racing is more difficult than
driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was catcher for the
Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All Star.
Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance
to the discussion, Little Shit?
Post by Thomas E.
Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna.
He made a mistake performing what should have been a routine
landing in good weather.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
So he wasn't a very good pilot?
Post by Thomas E.
I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a
highly experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172.
I caught it and made him do a go-around. He actually
verbalized flaps down from the landing checklist and then
never extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I saw, and
he is no longer flying for CAP.
As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons
like driving through a race course curve versus an
instrument approach. Race driving is more intense, flying
gives you more time. More time right up to the point where
accumulated errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
it up.
As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting
aircraft you are just plain lying making any person
judgements on how difficult it can be.
I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little
Shit.
Post by Thomas E.
As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much
in the public domain, and potentially very damning to your
CSMA/RSG reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
issue. It's has been dragging on for years after all. :-)
Or you could just not stalk people.
Post by Thomas E.
Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was
almost painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of
a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred. But you have
health care waiting lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived
here you would already have that fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are inserting the
competitive element of racing in a car compared to flying. Let's
level the field by looking at the aircraft race records. The
only long-term case available is Reno, and this year is the last
one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents.
Here is the record of those Reno Air Race fatal accidents. How
many fatal accidents has your SCCBC race circuit had in its
existence?
And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying Little Shit.
I think you do.
Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a certain debt you owe? :-)
I do remember, but as I have also stated you are comparing race cars
to non race flying. My point continues to be that flying can be as
intense as racing cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that aircraft are
likely more intense and dangerous than cars. Consider that racing
aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or more. Look at that Reno fatal
accident record. High g forces break things.
That's not the way this went down.

I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest that your general
aviation flying was the greater pastime.

I brought up that it requires far less focus and concentration that racing.

And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.

Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have NEVER DONE.
Post by Thomas E.
Of course you also have essentially zero flying experience while I
have raced go karts and once drove a Nascar Sportsman car for 30
minutes on a short oval.
Wow.

30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even once?
Thomas E.
2023-05-04 21:58:35 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4,
Post by Alan
'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy,
right? After all, everyone drives.
Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and
former Major League Baseball pitchers, brain
surgeons, and even rocket scientists tell me that
racing a car is the hardest thing they’ve ever
done.
If you were to ask someone who has never raced how
hard they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate
it to having driven a mountain highway, or across
the country. I’ve received responses like, “How
hard could it be? I drive every day, and it’s not
hard.”
That’s the problem.'
<https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All
those other things I’ve done in the sky are, at
most, flying’s version of driving the twisties on
the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern
California. In other words, it’s nothing like it.'
Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a
172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in
heavy rain. That will get your attention. What I did
yesterday not so much, but does take training.
And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who
is both a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and
highly respect racing driving coach (having raced in
the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of
Daytona)
A man who has literally done both told you which he
feels is more challenging.
But you know better.
(The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and
training. Both are potentially deadly to the unlucky,
untrained, and unprepared. I really do not think you can
compare which is more difficult. Just too different.
But you, who do not do both...
...know better than someone who does...
...right, Little Shit?
Post by Thomas E.
My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do
on a routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto
races you run. Could I drive around the track at
something faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But
compete? No.
"Something faster than every day speeds"?
LOLOLOLOLOL
Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach
in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in
heavy rain."...
...every time you go through a corner.
Post by Thomas E.
As for my trip description it's no more self-serving
than your bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read
the next one, if there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm
afraid you'll have to wait until June.
Post by Thomas E.
BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email
is still an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it?
I'm checking on a regular basis.
You're continuing to stalk?
Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant
experience claiming that racing is more difficult than
driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was catcher for the
Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All Star.
Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance
to the discussion, Little Shit?
Post by Thomas E.
Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna.
He made a mistake performing what should have been a routine
landing in good weather.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
So he wasn't a very good pilot?
Post by Thomas E.
I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a
highly experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172.
I caught it and made him do a go-around. He actually
verbalized flaps down from the landing checklist and then
never extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I saw, and
he is no longer flying for CAP.
As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons
like driving through a race course curve versus an
instrument approach. Race driving is more intense, flying
gives you more time. More time right up to the point where
accumulated errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
it up.
As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting
aircraft you are just plain lying making any person
judgements on how difficult it can be.
I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little Shit.
Post by Thomas E.
As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much
in the public domain, and potentially very damning to your
CSMA/RSG reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
issue. It's has been dragging on for years after all. :-)
Or you could just not stalk people.
Post by Thomas E.
Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was
almost painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of
a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred. But you have
health care waiting lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived
here you would already have that fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are inserting the
competitive element of racing in a car compared to flying. Let's
level the field by looking at the aircraft race records. The
only long-term case available is Reno, and this year is the last
one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents.
Here is the record of those Reno Air Race fatal accidents. How
many fatal accidents has your SCCBC race circuit had in its
existence?
And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying Little Shit.
I think you do.
Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a certain debt you owe? :-)
I do remember, but as I have also stated you are comparing race cars
to non race flying. My point continues to be that flying can be as
intense as racing cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that aircraft are
likely more intense and dangerous than cars. Consider that racing
aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or more. Look at that Reno fatal
accident record. High g forces break things.
That's not the way this went down.
I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest that your general
aviation flying was the greater pastime.
I brought up that it requires far less focus and concentration that racing.
And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.
Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have NEVER DONE.
Post by Thomas E.
Of course you also have essentially zero flying experience while I
have raced go karts and once drove a Nascar Sportsman car for 30
minutes on a short oval.
Wow.
30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even once?
YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for support. And no, I did not spin.
Alan
2023-05-04 22:01:10 UTC
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Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4,
Post by Alan
'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy,
right? After all, everyone drives.
Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and
former Major League Baseball pitchers, brain
surgeons, and even rocket scientists tell me that
racing a car is the hardest thing they’ve ever
done.
If you were to ask someone who has never raced how
hard they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate
it to having driven a mountain highway, or across
the country. I’ve received responses like, “How
hard could it be? I drive every day, and it’s not
hard.”
That’s the problem.'
<https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All
those other things I’ve done in the sky are, at
most, flying’s version of driving the twisties on
the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern
California. In other words, it’s nothing like it.'
Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a
172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in
heavy rain. That will get your attention. What I did
yesterday not so much, but does take training.
And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who
is both a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and
highly respect racing driving coach (having raced in
the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of
Daytona)
A man who has literally done both told you which he
feels is more challenging.
But you know better.
(The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and
training. Both are potentially deadly to the unlucky,
untrained, and unprepared. I really do not think you can
compare which is more difficult. Just too different.
But you, who do not do both...
...know better than someone who does...
...right, Little Shit?
Post by Thomas E.
My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do
on a routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto
races you run. Could I drive around the track at
something faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But
compete? No.
"Something faster than every day speeds"?
LOLOLOLOLOL
Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach
in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in
heavy rain."...
...every time you go through a corner.
Post by Thomas E.
As for my trip description it's no more self-serving
than your bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read
the next one, if there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm
afraid you'll have to wait until June.
Post by Thomas E.
BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email
is still an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it?
I'm checking on a regular basis.
You're continuing to stalk?
Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant
experience claiming that racing is more difficult than
driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was catcher for the
Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All Star.
Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance
to the discussion, Little Shit?
Post by Thomas E.
Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna.
He made a mistake performing what should have been a routine
landing in good weather.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
So he wasn't a very good pilot?
Post by Thomas E.
I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a
highly experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172.
I caught it and made him do a go-around. He actually
verbalized flaps down from the landing checklist and then
never extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I saw, and
he is no longer flying for CAP.
As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons
like driving through a race course curve versus an
instrument approach. Race driving is more intense, flying
gives you more time. More time right up to the point where
accumulated errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
it up.
As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting
aircraft you are just plain lying making any person
judgements on how difficult it can be.
I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little Shit.
Post by Thomas E.
As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much
in the public domain, and potentially very damning to your
CSMA/RSG reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
issue. It's has been dragging on for years after all. :-)
Or you could just not stalk people.
Post by Thomas E.
Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was
almost painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of
a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred. But you have
health care waiting lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived
here you would already have that fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are inserting the
competitive element of racing in a car compared to flying. Let's
level the field by looking at the aircraft race records. The
only long-term case available is Reno, and this year is the last
one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents.
Here is the record of those Reno Air Race fatal accidents. How
many fatal accidents has your SCCBC race circuit had in its
existence?
And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying Little Shit.
I think you do.
Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a certain debt you owe? :-)
I do remember, but as I have also stated you are comparing race cars
to non race flying. My point continues to be that flying can be as
intense as racing cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that aircraft are
likely more intense and dangerous than cars. Consider that racing
aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or more. Look at that Reno fatal
accident record. High g forces break things.
That's not the way this went down.
I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest that your general
aviation flying was the greater pastime.
I brought up that it requires far less focus and concentration that racing.
And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.
Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have NEVER DONE.
Post by Thomas E.
Of course you also have essentially zero flying experience while I
have raced go karts and once drove a Nascar Sportsman car for 30
minutes on a short oval.
Wow.
30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even once?
YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for support. And no, I did not spin.
Nope.

The subject was always racing vs the kind of flying YOU DO, Little Shit.

And if you didn't spin, you weren't pushing limit.

Pushing the limit is what you do in road racing...

...all...

...the...

...time.
Thomas E.
2023-05-05 19:36:36 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4,
Post by Alan
'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy,
right? After all, everyone drives.
Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and
former Major League Baseball pitchers, brain
surgeons, and even rocket scientists tell me that
racing a car is the hardest thing they’ve ever
done.
If you were to ask someone who has never raced how
hard they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate
it to having driven a mountain highway, or across
the country. I’ve received responses like, “How
hard could it be? I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
That’s the problem.'
<https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All
those other things I’ve done in the sky are, at
most, flying’s version of driving the twisties on
the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern
California. In other words, it’s nothing like it.'
Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a
172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in
heavy rain. That will get your attention. What I did
yesterday not so much, but does take training.
And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who
is both a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and
highly respect racing driving coach (having raced in
the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of
Daytona)
A man who has literally done both told you which he
feels is more challenging.
But you know better.
(The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and
training. Both are potentially deadly to the unlucky,
untrained, and unprepared. I really do not think you can
compare which is more difficult. Just too different.
But you, who do not do both...
...know better than someone who does...
...right, Little Shit?
Post by Thomas E.
My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do
on a routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto
races you run. Could I drive around the track at
something faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But
compete? No.
"Something faster than every day speeds"?
LOLOLOLOLOL
Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach
in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in
heavy rain."...
...every time you go through a corner.
Post by Thomas E.
As for my trip description it's no more self-serving
than your bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read
the next one, if there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm
afraid you'll have to wait until June.
Post by Thomas E.
BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email
is still an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it?
I'm checking on a regular basis.
You're continuing to stalk?
Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant
experience claiming that racing is more difficult than
driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was catcher for the
Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All Star.
Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance
to the discussion, Little Shit?
Post by Thomas E.
Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna.
He made a mistake performing what should have been a routine
landing in good weather.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
So he wasn't a very good pilot?
Post by Thomas E.
I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a
highly experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172.
I caught it and made him do a go-around. He actually
verbalized flaps down from the landing checklist and then
never extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I saw, and
he is no longer flying for CAP.
As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons
like driving through a race course curve versus an
instrument approach. Race driving is more intense, flying
gives you more time. More time right up to the point where
accumulated errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
it up.
As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting
aircraft you are just plain lying making any person
judgements on how difficult it can be.
I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little Shit.
Post by Thomas E.
As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much
in the public domain, and potentially very damning to your
CSMA/RSG reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
issue. It's has been dragging on for years after all. :-)
Or you could just not stalk people.
Post by Thomas E.
Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was
almost painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of
a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred. But you have
health care waiting lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived
here you would already have that fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are inserting the
competitive element of racing in a car compared to flying. Let's
level the field by looking at the aircraft race records. The
only long-term case available is Reno, and this year is the last
one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents.
Here is the record of those Reno Air Race fatal accidents. How
many fatal accidents has your SCCBC race circuit had in its
existence?
And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying Little Shit.
I think you do.
Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a certain debt you owe? :-)
I do remember, but as I have also stated you are comparing race cars
to non race flying. My point continues to be that flying can be as
intense as racing cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that aircraft are
likely more intense and dangerous than cars. Consider that racing
aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or more. Look at that Reno fatal
accident record. High g forces break things.
That's not the way this went down.
I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest that your general
aviation flying was the greater pastime.
I brought up that it requires far less focus and concentration that racing.
And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.
Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have NEVER DONE.
Post by Thomas E.
Of course you also have essentially zero flying experience while I
have raced go karts and once drove a Nascar Sportsman car for 30
minutes on a short oval.
Wow.
30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even once?
YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for support. And no, I did not spin.
Nope.
The subject was always racing vs the kind of flying YOU DO, Little Shit.
And if you didn't spin, you weren't pushing limit.
Pushing the limit is what you do in road racing...
...all...
...the...
...time.
Not all the time, but between the green and checkered flags but only when other flags are shown, like yellow, blue, red and black. You lied again.

Anyway, it's obvious that if all is going well in good weather flying is not as stressful as driving a car in a race. But, most people could drive a car in a race, but likely not good enough to be competitive with experienced drivers.

Today I did, in simulated IFR weather, 4 instrument approaches in 1 hour 10 minutes with a CFII in the right seat as the safety pilot. You can see the track at https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAP1264 for a few days until the May 5 flight drops off the list of 5 recent flight available without a paid subscription.

Those approaches were LPV 34 MQJ with missed approach and hold entry, LNAV 16 MQJ with missed approach, VOR 33 UMP abandoned 2 miles out for conflicting traffic, then back to LNAV 16 MQJ and a landing. We wanted to do ILS 25 MQJ but there were 2 other aircraft practicing that one so we had to invent a plan B.

You are 100% engaged in setting up and monitoring then transitioning to the next task. No time to rest for over an hour.

Can you fly those approaches? I could drive your #21 at Mission Raceway. Not win a race, but I know how to hit an apex and scope out braking points. I would probably finish last, but I would finish.
Alan
2023-05-05 20:05:33 UTC
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Post by Alan
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4, Alan
Post by Alan
On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan
Post by Alan
On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4,
Post by Alan
On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM
Post by Alan
'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be
easy, right? After all, everyone drives.
Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs,
current and former Major League Baseball
pitchers, brain surgeons, and even rocket
scientists tell me that racing a car is the
hardest thing they’ve ever done.
If you were to ask someone who has never
raced how hard they think it Would be,
they’ll likely relate it to having driven a
mountain highway, or across the country.
I’ve received responses like, “How hard
could it be? I drive every day, and it’s
not hard.”
That’s the problem.'
<https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
'Racing is much closer to flying fighter
jets. All those other things I’ve done in
the sky are, at most, flying’s version of
driving the twisties on the Tail of the
Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern
California. In other words, it’s nothing
like it.'
Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision
approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot
crosswind at night in heavy rain. That will
get your attention. What I did yesterday not
so much, but does take training.
And, as usual, you think you know more than
someone who is both a pilot and an accomplished
racing driver, and highly respect racing
driving coach (having raced in the Indy 500,
and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of Daytona)
A man who has literally done both told you
which he feels is more challenging.
But you know better.
(The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
Apples and oranges. Very different challenges
and training. Both are potentially deadly to the
unlucky, untrained, and unprepared. I really do
not think you can compare which is more
difficult. Just too different.
But you, who do not do both...
...know better than someone who does...
...right, Little Shit?
My point is that you are not capable of the
flying I do on a routine basis. I am not capable
of winning the auto races you run. Could I drive
around the track at something faster than
everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But compete? No.
"Something faster than every day speeds"?
LOLOLOLOLOL
Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision
approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot
crosswind at night in heavy rain."...
...every time you go through a corner.
As for my trip description it's no more
self-serving than your bragging race narratives.
Can't wait to read the next one, if there is
one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery,
I'm afraid you'll have to wait until June.
BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my
last email is still an open issue. Are you ever
going to resolve it? I'm checking on a regular
basis.
You're continuing to stalk?
Of course, you cited only one sports person with
relevant experience claiming that racing is more
difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was
catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All
Star.
Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of
relevance to the discussion, Little Shit?
Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his
Cessna. He made a mistake performing what should have
been a routine landing in good weather.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
So he wasn't a very good pilot?
I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride
to a highly experienced pilot who made the same
mistake in a 172. I caught it and made him do a
go-around. He actually verbalized flaps down from the
landing checklist and then never extended the flaps.
That, plus other issues I saw, and he is no longer
flying for CAP.
As for the rest, like I said you cannot make
comparisons like driving through a race course curve
versus an instrument approach. Race driving is more
intense, flying gives you more time. More time right
up to the point where accumulated errors kill you.
The Swiss cheese of errors. Look it up.
As you have no meaningful personal experience with
piloting aircraft you are just plain lying making any
person judgements on how difficult it can be.
I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience,
Little Shit.
As for your open issue, it's just very interesting,
very much in the public domain, and potentially very
damning to your CSMA/RSG reputation. Just fix it and
it ceases to be an issue. It's has been dragging on
for years after all. :-)
Or you could just not stalk people.
Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017.
It was almost painless and no activity restrictions.
It took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I
was on the way to hospital when the famous CRV
incident occurred. But you have health care waiting
lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you
would already have that fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are
inserting the competitive element of racing in a car
compared to flying. Let's level the field by looking at
the aircraft race records. The only long-term case
available is Reno, and this year is the last one. Some
the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents.
Here is the record of those Reno Air Race fatal
accidents. How many fatal accidents has your SCCBC race
circuit had in its existence?
And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying Little
Shit.
I think you do.
Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a
certain debt you owe? :-)
I do remember, but as I have also stated you are comparing
race cars to non race flying. My point continues to be that
flying can be as intense as racing cars, but admittedly for
brief periods. An apple-to-apples race car/aircraft
comparison shows that aircraft are likely more intense and
dangerous than cars. Consider that racing aircraft can
routinely pull 7 g or more. Look at that Reno fatal accident
record. High g forces break things.
That's not the way this went down.
I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest that
your general aviation flying was the greater pastime.
I brought up that it requires far less focus and concentration that racing.
And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.
Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have
NEVER DONE.
Post by Thomas E.
Of course you also have essentially zero flying experience
while I have raced go karts and once drove a Nascar Sportsman
car for 30 minutes on a short oval.
Wow.
30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even
once?
YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for
support. And no, I did not spin.
Nope.
The subject was always racing vs the kind of flying YOU DO, Little Shit.
And if you didn't spin, you weren't pushing limit.
Pushing the limit is what you do in road racing...
...all...
...the...
...time.
Not all the time, but between the green and checkered flags but only
when other flags are shown, like yellow, blue, red and black. You
lied again.
Yes: you're not racing when it's not "between the green and chequered"
flag, Little Shit.

The yellow flag is a local "don't race" command flag. The blue is and
advisory flag and you keep racing when you see it.

The red and black flags are also both command flags which each in their
own way (which varies with different sanctioning bodies" mean "stop racing"
Post by Thomas E.
Anyway, it's obvious that if all is going well in good weather flying
is not as stressful as driving a car in a race. But, most people
could drive a car in a race, but likely not good enough to be
competitive with experienced drivers.
That's not what you claimed before, Little Shit.
Post by Thomas E.
Today I did, in simulated IFR weather, 4 instrument approaches in 1
hour 10 minutes with a CFII in the right seat as the safety pilot.
You can see the track at https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAP1264
for a few days until the May 5 flight drops off the list of 5 recent
flight available without a paid subscription.
"simulated" with a safety pilot...

...kind of removes the stress, doesn't it?
Post by Thomas E.
Those approaches were LPV 34 MQJ with missed approach and hold entry,
LNAV 16 MQJ with missed approach, VOR 33 UMP abandoned 2 miles out
for conflicting traffic, then back to LNAV 16 MQJ and a landing. We
wanted to do ILS 25 MQJ but there were 2 other aircraft practicing
that one so we had to invent a plan B.
Of the total flight time, 43 minutes of the 64 minute flight were spent
level at an altitude of 724m ASL or about 1,500 feet AGL, correct?
Post by Thomas E.
You are 100% engaged in setting up and monitoring then transitioning
to the next task. No time to rest for over an hour.
Can you fly those approaches? I could drive your #21 at Mission
Raceway. Not win a race, but I know how to hit an apex and scope out
braking points. I would probably finish last, but I would finish.
And driving a car is a skill most of us possess, you Little Shit.

And what you forget is that you don't get to drive around that race
track in isolation if you want to suddenly compare instrument flying to
what we were discussing.

You get to try and hit all those braking points and apexes while other
cars (even Formula Vees with have the horsepower you'd have) go flying
past you.

This whole thing is HILARIOUS.

I pointed you at an article by someone who is BOTH an accomplished
racing driver and racing driving coach—winner at the 24 Hours of
Daytona, AND an experienced pilot...

...and you still want to argue the point.

CAN flying require the same level of focus as racing?

Yes. From time to time.

Does it involve that level of focus all the time you're flying.

Nope. Not unless you're:

Flying aerobatics...

...or fighter jets...

...or air racing.
Thomas E.
2023-05-07 13:13:02 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4,
Post by Alan
On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM
Post by Alan
'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be
easy, right? After all, everyone drives.
Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs,
current and former Major League Baseball
pitchers, brain surgeons, and even rocket
scientists tell me that racing a car is the
hardest thing they’ve ever done.
If you were to ask someone who has never
raced how hard they think it Would be,
they’ll likely relate it to having driven a
mountain highway, or across the country.
I’ve received responses like, “How hard
could it be? I drive every day, and it’s
not hard.”
That’s the problem.'
<https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
'Racing is much closer to flying fighter
jets. All those other things I’ve done in
the sky are, at most, flying’s version of
driving the twisties on the Tail of the
Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern
California. In other words, it’s nothing
like it.'
Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision
approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot
crosswind at night in heavy rain. That will
get your attention. What I did yesterday not
so much, but does take training.
And, as usual, you think you know more than
someone who is both a pilot and an accomplished
racing driver, and highly respect racing
driving coach (having raced in the Indy 500,
and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of Daytona)
A man who has literally done both told you
which he feels is more challenging.
But you know better.
(The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
Apples and oranges. Very different challenges
and training. Both are potentially deadly to the
unlucky, untrained, and unprepared. I really do
not think you can compare which is more
difficult. Just too different.
But you, who do not do both...
...know better than someone who does...
...right, Little Shit?
My point is that you are not capable of the
flying I do on a routine basis. I am not capable
of winning the auto races you run. Could I drive
around the track at something faster than
everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But compete? No.
"Something faster than every day speeds"?
LOLOLOLOLOL
Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision
approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot
crosswind at night in heavy rain."...
...every time you go through a corner.
As for my trip description it's no more
self-serving than your bragging race narratives.
Can't wait to read the next one, if there is
one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery,
I'm afraid you'll have to wait until June.
BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my
last email is still an open issue. Are you ever
going to resolve it? I'm checking on a regular
basis.
You're continuing to stalk?
Of course, you cited only one sports person with
relevant experience claiming that racing is more
difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was
catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All
Star.
Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of
relevance to the discussion, Little Shit?
Post by Thomas E.
Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his
Cessna. He made a mistake performing what should have
been a routine landing in good weather.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
So he wasn't a very good pilot?
Post by Thomas E.
I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride
to a highly experienced pilot who made the same
mistake in a 172. I caught it and made him do a
go-around. He actually verbalized flaps down from the
landing checklist and then never extended the flaps.
That, plus other issues I saw, and he is no longer
flying for CAP.
As for the rest, like I said you cannot make
comparisons like driving through a race course curve
versus an instrument approach. Race driving is more
intense, flying gives you more time. More time right
up to the point where accumulated errors kill you.
The Swiss cheese of errors. Look it up.
As you have no meaningful personal experience with
piloting aircraft you are just plain lying making any
person judgements on how difficult it can be.
I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience,
Little Shit.
Post by Thomas E.
As for your open issue, it's just very interesting,
very much in the public domain, and potentially very
damning to your CSMA/RSG reputation. Just fix it and
it ceases to be an issue. It's has been dragging on
for years after all. :-)
Or you could just not stalk people.
Post by Thomas E.
Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017.
It was almost painless and no activity restrictions.
It took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I
was on the way to hospital when the famous CRV
incident occurred. But you have health care waiting
lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you
would already have that fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are
inserting the competitive element of racing in a car
compared to flying. Let's level the field by looking at
the aircraft race records. The only long-term case
available is Reno, and this year is the last one. Some
the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents.
Here is the record of those Reno Air Race fatal
accidents. How many fatal accidents has your SCCBC race
circuit had in its existence?
And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying Little Shit.
I think you do.
Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a
certain debt you owe? :-)
I do remember, but as I have also stated you are comparing
race cars to non race flying. My point continues to be that
flying can be as intense as racing cars, but admittedly for
brief periods. An apple-to-apples race car/aircraft
comparison shows that aircraft are likely more intense and
dangerous than cars. Consider that racing aircraft can
routinely pull 7 g or more. Look at that Reno fatal accident
record. High g forces break things.
That's not the way this went down.
I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest that
your general aviation flying was the greater pastime.
I brought up that it requires far less focus and concentration that racing.
And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.
Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have NEVER DONE.
Post by Thomas E.
Of course you also have essentially zero flying experience
while I have raced go karts and once drove a Nascar Sportsman
car for 30 minutes on a short oval.
Wow.
30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even once?
YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for
support. And no, I did not spin.
Nope.
The subject was always racing vs the kind of flying YOU DO, Little Shit.
And if you didn't spin, you weren't pushing limit.
Pushing the limit is what you do in road racing...
...all...
...the...
...time.
Not all the time, but between the green and checkered flags but only
when other flags are shown, like yellow, blue, red and black. You
lied again.
Yes: you're not racing when it's not "between the green and chequered"
flag, Little Shit.
The yellow flag is a local "don't race" command flag. The blue is and
advisory flag and you keep racing when you see it.
The red and black flags are also both command flags which each in their
own way (which varies with different sanctioning bodies" mean "stop racing"
Post by Thomas E.
Anyway, it's obvious that if all is going well in good weather flying
is not as stressful as driving a car in a race. But, most people
could drive a car in a race, but likely not good enough to be
competitive with experienced drivers.
That's not what you claimed before, Little Shit.
Post by Thomas E.
Today I did, in simulated IFR weather, 4 instrument approaches in 1
hour 10 minutes with a CFII in the right seat as the safety pilot.
You can see the track at https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAP1264
for a few days until the May 5 flight drops off the list of 5 recent
flight available without a paid subscription.
"simulated" with a safety pilot...
...kind of removes the stress, doesn't it?
Post by Thomas E.
Those approaches were LPV 34 MQJ with missed approach and hold entry,
LNAV 16 MQJ with missed approach, VOR 33 UMP abandoned 2 miles out
for conflicting traffic, then back to LNAV 16 MQJ and a landing. We
wanted to do ILS 25 MQJ but there were 2 other aircraft practicing
that one so we had to invent a plan B.
Of the total flight time, 43 minutes of the 64 minute flight were spent
level at an altitude of 724m ASL or about 1,500 feet AGL, correct?
Post by Thomas E.
You are 100% engaged in setting up and monitoring then transitioning
to the next task. No time to rest for over an hour.
Can you fly those approaches? I could drive your #21 at Mission
Raceway. Not win a race, but I know how to hit an apex and scope out
braking points. I would probably finish last, but I would finish.
And driving a car is a skill most of us possess, you Little Shit.
And what you forget is that you don't get to drive around that race
track in isolation if you want to suddenly compare instrument flying to
what we were discussing.
You get to try and hit all those braking points and apexes while other
cars (even Formula Vees with have the horsepower you'd have) go flying
past you.
This whole thing is HILARIOUS.
I pointed you at an article by someone who is BOTH an accomplished
racing driver and racing driving coach—winner at the 24 Hours of
Daytona, AND an experienced pilot...
...and you still want to argue the point.
CAN flying require the same level of focus as racing?
Yes. From time to time.
Does it involve that level of focus all the time you're flying.
Flying aerobatics...
...or fighter jets...
...or air racing.
I do not argue that cruising on the highway or in the air is less difficult and stressful than a car race. You admit that flying can be very stressful, but still want to argue the point.

Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with while using a vision limiting device. Or that you have flown an airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a PERSONAL judgement.

This is me in a race car:

https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4

There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want to win.
Alan
2023-05-07 17:35:37 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:17:15 AM UTC-4, Alan
Post by Alan
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4,
Post by Alan
On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4,
Post by Alan
On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM
Post by Alan
On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at
Post by Alan
'This whole racing-a-car-thing should
be easy, right? After all, everyone
drives.
Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs,
current and former Major League
Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and
even rocket scientists tell me that
racing a car is the hardest thing
they’ve ever done.
If you were to ask someone who has
never raced how hard they think it
Would be, they’ll likely relate it to
having driven a mountain highway, or
across the country. I’ve received
responses like, “How hard could it be?
I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
That’s the problem.'
<https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
'Racing is much closer to flying
fighter jets. All those other things
I’ve done in the sky are, at most,
flying’s version of driving the
twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or
Highway 1 in Northern California. In
other words, it’s nothing like it.'
Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision
approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20
knot crosswind at night in heavy rain.
That will get your attention. What I did
yesterday not so much, but does take
training.
And, as usual, you think you know more
than someone who is both a pilot and an
accomplished racing driver, and highly
respect racing driving coach (having raced
in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the
24 Hours of Daytona)
A man who has literally done both told you
which he feels is more challenging.
But you know better.
(The little shit's self-centred essay
snipped)
Apples and oranges. Very different
challenges and training. Both are potentially
deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and
unprepared. I really do not think you can
compare which is more difficult. Just too
different.
But you, who do not do both...
...know better than someone who does...
...right, Little Shit?
My point is that you are not capable of the
flying I do on a routine basis. I am not
capable of winning the auto races you run.
Could I drive around the track at something
faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes.
But compete? No.
"Something faster than every day speeds"?
LOLOLOLOLOL
Race driving is the equivalent of "a
non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums
with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
rain."...
...every time you go through a corner.
As for my trip description it's no more
self-serving than your bragging race
narratives. Can't wait to read the next one,
if there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting
surgery, I'm afraid you'll have to wait until
June.
BTW, I see that as of today the subject of
my last email is still an open issue. Are you
ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on a
regular basis.
You're continuing to stalk?
Of course, you cited only one sports person with
relevant experience claiming that racing is more
difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He
was catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and
7-time All Star.
Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything
of relevance to the discussion, Little Shit?
Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed
his Cessna. He made a mistake performing what
should have been a routine landing in good
weather.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
So he wasn't a very good pilot?
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Alan
Post by Alan
I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA)
checkride to a highly experienced pilot who made
the same mistake in a 172. I caught it and made
him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps
down from the landing checklist and then never
extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I
saw, and he is no longer flying for CAP.
As for the rest, like I said you cannot make
comparisons like driving through a race course
curve versus an instrument approach. Race driving
is more intense, flying gives you more time. More
time right up to the point where accumulated
errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
it up.
As you have no meaningful personal experience
with piloting aircraft you are just plain lying
making any person judgements on how difficult it
can be.
I quoted someone who DOES have personal
experience, Little Shit.
As for your open issue, it's just very
interesting, very much in the public domain, and
potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
issue. It's has been dragging on for years after
all. :-)
Or you could just not stalk people.
Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in
2017. It was almost painless and no activity
restrictions. It took all of a week from
diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred.
But you have health care waiting lines in Canada.
:) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
have that fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are
inserting the competitive element of racing in a car
compared to flying. Let's level the field by looking
at the aircraft race records. The only long-term
case available is Reno, and this year is the last
one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal
accidents. Here is the record of those Reno Air Race
fatal accidents. How many fatal accidents has your
SCCBC race circuit had in its existence?
And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying
Little Shit.
I think you do.
Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a
certain debt you owe? :-)
I do remember, but as I have also stated you are
comparing race cars to non race flying. My point
continues to be that flying can be as intense as racing
cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that
aircraft are likely more intense and dangerous than cars.
Consider that racing aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or
more. Look at that Reno fatal accident record. High g
forces break things.
That's not the way this went down.
I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest
that your general aviation flying was the greater pastime.
I brought up that it requires far less focus and
concentration that racing.
And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.
Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have NEVER DONE.
Of course you also have essentially zero flying
experience while I have raced go karts and once drove a
Nascar Sportsman car for 30 minutes on a short oval.
Wow.
30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even once?
YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for
support. And no, I did not spin.
Nope.
The subject was always racing vs the kind of flying YOU DO,
Little Shit.
And if you didn't spin, you weren't pushing limit.
Pushing the limit is what you do in road racing...
...all...
...the...
...time.
Not all the time, but between the green and checkered flags but
only when other flags are shown, like yellow, blue, red and
black. You lied again.
Yes: you're not racing when it's not "between the green and
chequered" flag, Little Shit.
The yellow flag is a local "don't race" command flag. The blue is
and advisory flag and you keep racing when you see it.
The red and black flags are also both command flags which each in
their own way (which varies with different sanctioning bodies" mean
"stop racing"
Post by Thomas E.
Anyway, it's obvious that if all is going well in good weather
flying is not as stressful as driving a car in a race. But, most
people could drive a car in a race, but likely not good enough to
be competitive with experienced drivers.
That's not what you claimed before, Little Shit.
Post by Thomas E.
Today I did, in simulated IFR weather, 4 instrument approaches in
1 hour 10 minutes with a CFII in the right seat as the safety
pilot. You can see the track at
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAP1264 for a few days until
the May 5 flight drops off the list of 5 recent flight available
without a paid subscription.
"simulated" with a safety pilot...
...kind of removes the stress, doesn't it?
Post by Thomas E.
Those approaches were LPV 34 MQJ with missed approach and hold
entry, LNAV 16 MQJ with missed approach, VOR 33 UMP abandoned 2
miles out for conflicting traffic, then back to LNAV 16 MQJ and a
landing. We wanted to do ILS 25 MQJ but there were 2 other
aircraft practicing that one so we had to invent a plan B.
Of the total flight time, 43 minutes of the 64 minute flight were
spent level at an altitude of 724m ASL or about 1,500 feet AGL,
correct?
Post by Thomas E.
You are 100% engaged in setting up and monitoring then
transitioning to the next task. No time to rest for over an
hour.
Can you fly those approaches? I could drive your #21 at Mission
Raceway. Not win a race, but I know how to hit an apex and scope
out braking points. I would probably finish last, but I would
finish.
And driving a car is a skill most of us possess, you Little Shit.
And what you forget is that you don't get to drive around that
race track in isolation if you want to suddenly compare instrument
flying to what we were discussing.
You get to try and hit all those braking points and apexes while
other cars (even Formula Vees with have the horsepower you'd have)
go flying past you.
This whole thing is HILARIOUS.
I pointed you at an article by someone who is BOTH an accomplished
racing driver and racing driving coach—winner at the 24 Hours of
Daytona, AND an experienced pilot...
...and you still want to argue the point.
CAN flying require the same level of focus as racing?
Yes. From time to time.
Does it involve that level of focus all the time you're flying.
Flying aerobatics...
...or fighter jets...
...or air racing.
I do not argue that cruising on the highway or in the air is less
difficult and stressful than a car race. You admit that flying can be
very stressful, but still want to argue the point.
You're a liar, Little Shit.

That is PRECISELY the argument you started out making.
Post by Thomas E.
Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
while using a vision limiting device.
Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
made.
Post by Thomas E.
Or that you have flown an
airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather
then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced
the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a
PERSONAL judgement.
https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
'Google

404. That’s an error.

The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
Post by Thomas E.
There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
to win.
No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
give you any appreciation for what racing is.
-hh
2023-05-07 18:22:20 UTC
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On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4,
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On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4,
Post by Alan
On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM
Post by Alan
On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at
Post by Alan
'This whole racing-a-car-thing should
be easy, right? After all, everyone
drives.
Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs,
current and former Major League
Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and
even rocket scientists tell me that
racing a car is the hardest thing
they’ve ever done.
If you were to ask someone who has
never raced how hard they think it
Would be, they’ll likely relate it to
having driven a mountain highway, or
across the country. I’ve received
responses like, “How hard could it be?
I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
That’s the problem.'
<https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
'Racing is much closer to flying
fighter jets. All those other things
I’ve done in the sky are, at most,
flying’s version of driving the
twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or
Highway 1 in Northern California. In
other words, it’s nothing like it.'
Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision
approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20
knot crosswind at night in heavy rain.
That will get your attention. What I did
yesterday not so much, but does take
training.
And, as usual, you think you know more
than someone who is both a pilot and an
accomplished racing driver, and highly
respect racing driving coach (having raced
in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the
24 Hours of Daytona)
A man who has literally done both told you
which he feels is more challenging.
But you know better.
(The little shit's self-centred essay
snipped)
Apples and oranges. Very different
challenges and training. Both are potentially
deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and
unprepared. I really do not think you can
compare which is more difficult. Just too
different.
But you, who do not do both...
...know better than someone who does...
...right, Little Shit?
My point is that you are not capable of the
flying I do on a routine basis. I am not
capable of winning the auto races you run.
Could I drive around the track at something
faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes.
But compete? No.
"Something faster than every day speeds"?
LOLOLOLOLOL
Race driving is the equivalent of "a
non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums
with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
rain."...
...every time you go through a corner.
As for my trip description it's no more
self-serving than your bragging race
narratives. Can't wait to read the next one,
if there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting
surgery, I'm afraid you'll have to wait until
June.
BTW, I see that as of today the subject of
my last email is still an open issue. Are you
ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on a
regular basis.
You're continuing to stalk?
Of course, you cited only one sports person with
relevant experience claiming that racing is more
difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He
was catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and
7-time All Star.
Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything
of relevance to the discussion, Little Shit?
Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed
his Cessna. He made a mistake performing what
should have been a routine landing in good
weather.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
So he wasn't a very good pilot?
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I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA)
checkride to a highly experienced pilot who made
the same mistake in a 172. I caught it and made
him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps
down from the landing checklist and then never
extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I
saw, and he is no longer flying for CAP.
As for the rest, like I said you cannot make
comparisons like driving through a race course
curve versus an instrument approach. Race driving
is more intense, flying gives you more time. More
time right up to the point where accumulated
errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
it up.
As you have no meaningful personal experience
with piloting aircraft you are just plain lying
making any person judgements on how difficult it
can be.
I quoted someone who DOES have personal
experience, Little Shit.
As for your open issue, it's just very
interesting, very much in the public domain, and
potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
issue. It's has been dragging on for years after
all. :-)
Or you could just not stalk people.
Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in
2017. It was almost painless and no activity
restrictions. It took all of a week from
diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred.
But you have health care waiting lines in Canada.
:) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
have that fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are
inserting the competitive element of racing in a car
compared to flying. Let's level the field by looking
at the aircraft race records. The only long-term
case available is Reno, and this year is the last
one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal
accidents. Here is the record of those Reno Air Race
fatal accidents. How many fatal accidents has your
SCCBC race circuit had in its existence?
And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying
Little Shit.
I think you do.
Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a
certain debt you owe? :-)
I do remember, but as I have also stated you are
comparing race cars to non race flying. My point
continues to be that flying can be as intense as racing
cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that
aircraft are likely more intense and dangerous than cars.
Consider that racing aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or
more. Look at that Reno fatal accident record. High g
forces break things.
That's not the way this went down.
I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest
that your general aviation flying was the greater pastime.
I brought up that it requires far less focus and
concentration that racing.
And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.
Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have NEVER DONE.
Post by Thomas E.
Of course you also have essentially zero flying
experience while I have raced go karts and once drove a
Nascar Sportsman car for 30 minutes on a short oval.
Wow.
30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even once?
YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for
support. And no, I did not spin.
Nope.
The subject was always racing vs the kind of flying YOU DO, Little Shit.
And if you didn't spin, you weren't pushing limit.
Pushing the limit is what you do in road racing...
...all...
...the...
...time.
Not all the time, but between the green and checkered flags but
only when other flags are shown, like yellow, blue, red and
black. You lied again.
Yes: you're not racing when it's not "between the green and
chequered" flag, Little Shit.
The yellow flag is a local "don't race" command flag. The blue is
and advisory flag and you keep racing when you see it.
The red and black flags are also both command flags which each in
their own way (which varies with different sanctioning bodies" mean
"stop racing"
Post by Thomas E.
Anyway, it's obvious that if all is going well in good weather
flying is not as stressful as driving a car in a race. But, most
people could drive a car in a race, but likely not good enough to
be competitive with experienced drivers.
That's not what you claimed before, Little Shit.
Post by Thomas E.
Today I did, in simulated IFR weather, 4 instrument approaches in
1 hour 10 minutes with a CFII in the right seat as the safety
pilot. You can see the track at
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAP1264 for a few days until
the May 5 flight drops off the list of 5 recent flight available
without a paid subscription.
"simulated" with a safety pilot...
...kind of removes the stress, doesn't it?
Post by Thomas E.
Those approaches were LPV 34 MQJ with missed approach and hold
entry, LNAV 16 MQJ with missed approach, VOR 33 UMP abandoned 2
miles out for conflicting traffic, then back to LNAV 16 MQJ and a
landing. We wanted to do ILS 25 MQJ but there were 2 other
aircraft practicing that one so we had to invent a plan B.
Of the total flight time, 43 minutes of the 64 minute flight were
spent level at an altitude of 724m ASL or about 1,500 feet AGL,
correct?
Post by Thomas E.
You are 100% engaged in setting up and monitoring then
transitioning to the next task. No time to rest for over an
hour.
Can you fly those approaches? I could drive your #21 at Mission
Raceway. Not win a race, but I know how to hit an apex and scope
out braking points. I would probably finish last, but I would
finish.
And driving a car is a skill most of us possess, you Little Shit.
And what you forget is that you don't get to drive around that
race track in isolation if you want to suddenly compare instrument
flying to what we were discussing.
You get to try and hit all those braking points and apexes while
other cars (even Formula Vees with have the horsepower you'd have)
go flying past you.
This whole thing is HILARIOUS.
I pointed you at an article by someone who is BOTH an accomplished
racing driver and racing driving coach—winner at the 24 Hours of
Daytona, AND an experienced pilot...
...and you still want to argue the point.
CAN flying require the same level of focus as racing?
Yes. From time to time.
Does it involve that level of focus all the time you're flying.
Flying aerobatics...
...or fighter jets...
...or air racing.
I do not argue that cruising on the highway or in the air is less
difficult and stressful than a car race. You admit that flying can be
very stressful, but still want to argue the point.
You're a liar, Little Shit.
That is PRECISELY the argument you started out making.
Post by Thomas E.
Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
while using a vision limiting device.
Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
made.
Because he needs to move the goalposts.
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Post by Thomas E.
Or that you have flown an
airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather
then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced
the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a
PERSONAL judgement.
https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
'Google
404. That’s an error.
The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
Even if it exists, it doesn’t substantiate the other goalposts that Tom
tried to put on aircraft flight (an hour, instruments, rtc)
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
to win.
No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
give you any appreciation for what racing is.
A similar thing can be said of Autocross: even though it is intended to
foster pushing limits, it is also typically structured to positively prevent
any car from getting near another (collision risk). As such, an entire
variable is eliminated.

-hh
Thomas E.
2023-05-07 19:51:26 UTC
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Post by Alan
On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM
Post by Alan
On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at
Post by Alan
'This whole racing-a-car-thing should
be easy, right? After all, everyone
drives.
Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs,
current and former Major League
Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and
even rocket scientists tell me that
racing a car is the hardest thing
they’ve ever done.
If you were to ask someone who has
never raced how hard they think it
Would be, they’ll likely relate it to
having driven a mountain highway, or
across the country. I’ve received
responses like, “How hard could it be?
I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
That’s the problem.'
<https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
'Racing is much closer to flying
fighter jets. All those other things
I’ve done in the sky are, at most,
flying’s version of driving the
twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or
Highway 1 in Northern California. In
other words, it’s nothing like it.'
Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision
approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20
knot crosswind at night in heavy rain.
That will get your attention. What I did
yesterday not so much, but does take
training.
And, as usual, you think you know more
than someone who is both a pilot and an
accomplished racing driver, and highly
respect racing driving coach (having raced
in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the
24 Hours of Daytona)
A man who has literally done both told you
which he feels is more challenging.
But you know better.
(The little shit's self-centred essay
snipped)
Apples and oranges. Very different
challenges and training. Both are potentially
deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and
unprepared. I really do not think you can
compare which is more difficult. Just too
different.
But you, who do not do both...
...know better than someone who does...
...right, Little Shit?
My point is that you are not capable of the
flying I do on a routine basis. I am not
capable of winning the auto races you run.
Could I drive around the track at something
faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes.
But compete? No.
"Something faster than every day speeds"?
LOLOLOLOLOL
Race driving is the equivalent of "a
non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums
with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
rain."...
...every time you go through a corner.
As for my trip description it's no more
self-serving than your bragging race
narratives. Can't wait to read the next one,
if there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting
surgery, I'm afraid you'll have to wait until
June.
BTW, I see that as of today the subject of
my last email is still an open issue. Are you
ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on a
regular basis.
You're continuing to stalk?
Of course, you cited only one sports person with
relevant experience claiming that racing is more
difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He
was catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and
7-time All Star.
Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything
of relevance to the discussion, Little Shit?
Post by Thomas E.
Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed
his Cessna. He made a mistake performing what
should have been a routine landing in good
weather.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
So he wasn't a very good pilot?
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA)
checkride to a highly experienced pilot who made
the same mistake in a 172. I caught it and made
him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps
down from the landing checklist and then never
extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I
saw, and he is no longer flying for CAP.
As for the rest, like I said you cannot make
comparisons like driving through a race course
curve versus an instrument approach. Race driving
is more intense, flying gives you more time. More
time right up to the point where accumulated
errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
it up.
As you have no meaningful personal experience
with piloting aircraft you are just plain lying
making any person judgements on how difficult it
can be.
I quoted someone who DOES have personal
experience, Little Shit.
Post by Thomas E.
As for your open issue, it's just very
interesting, very much in the public domain, and
potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
issue. It's has been dragging on for years after
all. :-)
Or you could just not stalk people.
Post by Thomas E.
Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in
2017. It was almost painless and no activity
restrictions. It took all of a week from
diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred.
But you have health care waiting lines in Canada.
:) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
have that fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are
inserting the competitive element of racing in a car
compared to flying. Let's level the field by looking
at the aircraft race records. The only long-term
case available is Reno, and this year is the last
one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal
accidents. Here is the record of those Reno Air Race
fatal accidents. How many fatal accidents has your
SCCBC race circuit had in its existence?
And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying
Little Shit.
I think you do.
Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a
certain debt you owe? :-)
I do remember, but as I have also stated you are
comparing race cars to non race flying. My point
continues to be that flying can be as intense as racing
cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that
aircraft are likely more intense and dangerous than cars.
Consider that racing aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or
more. Look at that Reno fatal accident record. High g
forces break things.
That's not the way this went down.
I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest
that your general aviation flying was the greater pastime.
I brought up that it requires far less focus and
concentration that racing.
And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.
Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have NEVER DONE.
Post by Thomas E.
Of course you also have essentially zero flying
experience while I have raced go karts and once drove a
Nascar Sportsman car for 30 minutes on a short oval.
Wow.
30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even once?
YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for
support. And no, I did not spin.
Nope.
The subject was always racing vs the kind of flying YOU DO, Little Shit.
And if you didn't spin, you weren't pushing limit.
Pushing the limit is what you do in road racing...
...all...
...the...
...time.
Not all the time, but between the green and checkered flags but
only when other flags are shown, like yellow, blue, red and
black. You lied again.
Yes: you're not racing when it's not "between the green and
chequered" flag, Little Shit.
The yellow flag is a local "don't race" command flag. The blue is
and advisory flag and you keep racing when you see it.
The red and black flags are also both command flags which each in
their own way (which varies with different sanctioning bodies" mean
"stop racing"
Post by Thomas E.
Anyway, it's obvious that if all is going well in good weather
flying is not as stressful as driving a car in a race. But, most
people could drive a car in a race, but likely not good enough to
be competitive with experienced drivers.
That's not what you claimed before, Little Shit.
Post by Thomas E.
Today I did, in simulated IFR weather, 4 instrument approaches in
1 hour 10 minutes with a CFII in the right seat as the safety
pilot. You can see the track at
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAP1264 for a few days until
the May 5 flight drops off the list of 5 recent flight available
without a paid subscription.
"simulated" with a safety pilot...
...kind of removes the stress, doesn't it?
Post by Thomas E.
Those approaches were LPV 34 MQJ with missed approach and hold
entry, LNAV 16 MQJ with missed approach, VOR 33 UMP abandoned 2
miles out for conflicting traffic, then back to LNAV 16 MQJ and a
landing. We wanted to do ILS 25 MQJ but there were 2 other
aircraft practicing that one so we had to invent a plan B.
Of the total flight time, 43 minutes of the 64 minute flight were
spent level at an altitude of 724m ASL or about 1,500 feet AGL,
correct?
Post by Thomas E.
You are 100% engaged in setting up and monitoring then
transitioning to the next task. No time to rest for over an
hour.
Can you fly those approaches? I could drive your #21 at Mission
Raceway. Not win a race, but I know how to hit an apex and scope
out braking points. I would probably finish last, but I would
finish.
And driving a car is a skill most of us possess, you Little Shit.
And what you forget is that you don't get to drive around that
race track in isolation if you want to suddenly compare instrument
flying to what we were discussing.
You get to try and hit all those braking points and apexes while
other cars (even Formula Vees with have the horsepower you'd have)
go flying past you.
This whole thing is HILARIOUS.
I pointed you at an article by someone who is BOTH an accomplished
racing driver and racing driving coach—winner at the 24 Hours of
Daytona, AND an experienced pilot...
...and you still want to argue the point.
CAN flying require the same level of focus as racing?
Yes. From time to time.
Does it involve that level of focus all the time you're flying.
Flying aerobatics...
...or fighter jets...
...or air racing.
I do not argue that cruising on the highway or in the air is less
difficult and stressful than a car race. You admit that flying can be
very stressful, but still want to argue the point.
You're a liar, Little Shit.
That is PRECISELY the argument you started out making.
Post by Thomas E.
Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
while using a vision limiting device.
Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
made.
Because he needs to move the goalposts.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Or that you have flown an
airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather
then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced
the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a
PERSONAL judgement.
https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
'Google
404. That’s an error.
The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
Even if it exists, it doesn’t substantiate the other goalposts that Tom
tried to put on aircraft flight (an hour, instruments, rtc)
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
to win.
No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
give you any appreciation for what racing is.
A similar thing can be said of Autocross: even though it is intended to
foster pushing limits, it is also typically structured to positively prevent
any car from getting near another (collision risk). As such, an entire
variable is eliminated.
-hh
HH, we were racing EACH OTHER. The was a trophy for the winner. NOTHING like autocross, where I have more experience than on a oval.
Alan
2023-05-07 20:16:56 UTC
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Post by Thomas E.
https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
'Google
404. That’s an error.
The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
Even if it exists, it doesn’t substantiate the other goalposts that Tom
tried to put on aircraft flight (an hour, instruments, rtc)
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
to win.
No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
give you any appreciation for what racing is.
A similar thing can be said of Autocross: even though it is intended to
foster pushing limits, it is also typically structured to positively prevent
any car from getting near another (collision risk). As such, an entire
variable is eliminated.
-hh
HH, we were racing EACH OTHER. The was a trophy for the winner. NOTHING like autocross, where I have more experience than on a oval.
Name the sanctioning body that allows wheel-to-wheel racing...

...without a racing license.
-hh
2023-05-07 20:50:20 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
while using a vision limiting device.
Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
made.
Because he needs to move the goalposts.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Or that you have flown an
airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather
then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced
the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a
PERSONAL judgement.
https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
'Google
404. That’s an error.
The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
Even if it exists, it doesn’t substantiate the other goalposts that Tom
tried to put on aircraft flight (an hour, instruments, rtc)
The new link wasn't of open wheel racing.
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Post by -hh
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
to win.
No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
give you any appreciation for what racing is.
A similar thing can be said of Autocross: even though it is intended to
foster pushing limits, it is also typically structured to positively prevent
any car from getting near another (collision risk). As such, an entire
variable is eliminated.
HH, we were racing EACH OTHER. The was a trophy for the winner.
Was this race for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches
while using a vision limiting device?
Post by Thomas E.
NOTHING like autocross, ..
Correct: actual course competition against other drivers isn't the same
as racing solo against the clock...but the latter does facilitate being
close to the performance edge, and depending on how the track stuff
is done, can be higher risk of spin-outs/etc even at lower velocities.
Post by Thomas E.
..where I have more experience than on an oval.
Yeah, I have some AutoX trophies laying around here someplace too,
as well as some performance driving training stuff from BSR. You
may know the latter from their tactical training classes for SS & State.

-hh
Alan
2023-05-07 20:58:26 UTC
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Post by -hh
Post by Thomas E.
Post by -hh
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
while using a vision limiting device.
Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
made.
Because he needs to move the goalposts.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Or that you have flown an
airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather
then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced
the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a
PERSONAL judgement.
https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
'Google
404. That’s an error.
The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
Even if it exists, it doesn’t substantiate the other goalposts that Tom
tried to put on aircraft flight (an hour, instruments, rtc)
The new link wasn't of open wheel racing.
Post by Thomas E.
Post by -hh
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
to win.
No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
give you any appreciation for what racing is.
A similar thing can be said of Autocross: even though it is intended to
foster pushing limits, it is also typically structured to positively prevent
any car from getting near another (collision risk). As such, an entire
variable is eliminated.
HH, we were racing EACH OTHER. The was a trophy for the winner.
Was this race for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches
while using a vision limiting device?
LOL!
Post by -hh
Post by Thomas E.
NOTHING like autocross, ..
Correct: actual course competition against other drivers isn't the same
as racing solo against the clock...but the latter does facilitate being
close to the performance edge, and depending on how the track stuff
is done, can be higher risk of spin-outs/etc even at lower velocities.
And he's admitted he was only average at best.

I suspect that what he was doing was what's called "time attack" up
here. Not actual wheel-to-wheel racing, but rather each driver is trying
to do his fastest lap.

I have a very hard time imagining that there is any race-sanctioning
body that would allow drivers without a racing license to compete in an
actual race; not in lawsuit-happy America.
Post by -hh
Post by Thomas E.
..where I have more experience than on an oval.
Yeah, I have some AutoX trophies laying around here someplace too,
as well as some performance driving training stuff from BSR. You
may know the latter from their tactical training classes for SS & State.
For me, I just have no interest in autocross. I fully acknowledge that
it takes a lot of skill, but nothing gets my juices flowing like racing
against other drivers directly.
Thomas E.
2023-05-07 22:13:41 UTC
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Post by -hh
Post by Thomas E.
Post by -hh
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
while using a vision limiting device.
Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
made.
Because he needs to move the goalposts.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Or that you have flown an
airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather
then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced
the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a
PERSONAL judgement.
https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
'Google
404. That’s an error.
The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
Even if it exists, it doesn’t substantiate the other goalposts that Tom
tried to put on aircraft flight (an hour, instruments, rtc)
The new link wasn't of open wheel racing.
Post by Thomas E.
Post by -hh
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
to win.
No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
give you any appreciation for what racing is.
A similar thing can be said of Autocross: even though it is intended to
foster pushing limits, it is also typically structured to positively prevent
any car from getting near another (collision risk). As such, an entire
variable is eliminated.
HH, we were racing EACH OTHER. The was a trophy for the winner.
Was this race for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches
while using a vision limiting device?
LOL!
Post by -hh
Post by Thomas E.
NOTHING like autocross, ..
Correct: actual course competition against other drivers isn't the same
as racing solo against the clock...but the latter does facilitate being
close to the performance edge, and depending on how the track stuff
is done, can be higher risk of spin-outs/etc even at lower velocities.
And he's admitted he was only average at best.
I suspect that what he was doing was what's called "time attack" up
here. Not actual wheel-to-wheel racing, but rather each driver is trying
to do his fastest lap.
I have a very hard time imagining that there is any race-sanctioning
body that would allow drivers without a racing license to compete in an
actual race; not in lawsuit-happy America.
Post by -hh
Post by Thomas E.
..where I have more experience than on an oval.
Yeah, I have some AutoX trophies laying around here someplace too,
as well as some performance driving training stuff from BSR. You
may know the latter from their tactical training classes for SS & State.
For me, I just have no interest in autocross. I fully acknowledge that
it takes a lot of skill, but nothing gets my juices flowing like racing
against other drivers directly.
No Alan, you suspect wrong, here are photos of the race as we lined up for the start, and my car in the lead with 3 others on the track:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_Ezj7Ln-fpxsqH9o6YizsZzfsxYXkM5N/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kbYVbjLC37cXKYBOmVXJyWelGW0f9HJK/view?usp=share_link

I purchased an extra package that let me do 25 times laps on my own too.
Alan
2023-05-07 22:59:02 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by -hh
Post by Thomas E.
Post by -hh
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
while using a vision limiting device.
Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
made.
Because he needs to move the goalposts.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Or that you have flown an
airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather
then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced
the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a
PERSONAL judgement.
https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
'Google
404. That’s an error.
The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
Even if it exists, it doesn’t substantiate the other goalposts that Tom
tried to put on aircraft flight (an hour, instruments, rtc)
The new link wasn't of open wheel racing.
Post by Thomas E.
Post by -hh
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
to win.
No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
give you any appreciation for what racing is.
A similar thing can be said of Autocross: even though it is intended to
foster pushing limits, it is also typically structured to positively prevent
any car from getting near another (collision risk). As such, an entire
variable is eliminated.
HH, we were racing EACH OTHER. The was a trophy for the winner.
Was this race for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches
while using a vision limiting device?
LOL!
Post by -hh
Post by Thomas E.
NOTHING like autocross, ..
Correct: actual course competition against other drivers isn't the same
as racing solo against the clock...but the latter does facilitate being
close to the performance edge, and depending on how the track stuff
is done, can be higher risk of spin-outs/etc even at lower velocities.
And he's admitted he was only average at best.
I suspect that what he was doing was what's called "time attack" up
here. Not actual wheel-to-wheel racing, but rather each driver is trying
to do his fastest lap.
I have a very hard time imagining that there is any race-sanctioning
body that would allow drivers without a racing license to compete in an
actual race; not in lawsuit-happy America.
Post by -hh
Post by Thomas E.
..where I have more experience than on an oval.
Yeah, I have some AutoX trophies laying around here someplace too,
as well as some performance driving training stuff from BSR. You
may know the latter from their tactical training classes for SS & State.
For me, I just have no interest in autocross. I fully acknowledge that
it takes a lot of skill, but nothing gets my juices flowing like racing
against other drivers directly.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_Ezj7Ln-fpxsqH9o6YizsZzfsxYXkM5N/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kbYVbjLC37cXKYBOmVXJyWelGW0f9HJK/view?usp=share_link
I purchased an extra package that let me do 25 times laps on my own too.
Sorry, but lined up in the pit lane is not "lined up for the start".

And you've already admitted you were only average...

...in a field of beginners.
Thomas E.
2023-05-08 23:18:43 UTC
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Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by -hh
Post by Thomas E.
Post by -hh
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
while using a vision limiting device.
Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
made.
Because he needs to move the goalposts.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Or that you have flown an
airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather
then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced
the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a
PERSONAL judgement.
https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
'Google
404. That’s an error.
The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
Even if it exists, it doesn’t substantiate the other goalposts that Tom
tried to put on aircraft flight (an hour, instruments, rtc)
The new link wasn't of open wheel racing.
Post by Thomas E.
Post by -hh
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
to win.
No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
give you any appreciation for what racing is.
A similar thing can be said of Autocross: even though it is intended to
foster pushing limits, it is also typically structured to positively prevent
any car from getting near another (collision risk). As such, an entire
variable is eliminated.
HH, we were racing EACH OTHER. The was a trophy for the winner.
Was this race for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches
while using a vision limiting device?
LOL!
Post by -hh
Post by Thomas E.
NOTHING like autocross, ..
Correct: actual course competition against other drivers isn't the same
as racing solo against the clock...but the latter does facilitate being
close to the performance edge, and depending on how the track stuff
is done, can be higher risk of spin-outs/etc even at lower velocities.
And he's admitted he was only average at best.
I suspect that what he was doing was what's called "time attack" up
here. Not actual wheel-to-wheel racing, but rather each driver is trying
to do his fastest lap.
I have a very hard time imagining that there is any race-sanctioning
body that would allow drivers without a racing license to compete in an
actual race; not in lawsuit-happy America.
Post by -hh
Post by Thomas E.
..where I have more experience than on an oval.
Yeah, I have some AutoX trophies laying around here someplace too,
as well as some performance driving training stuff from BSR. You
may know the latter from their tactical training classes for SS & State.
For me, I just have no interest in autocross. I fully acknowledge that
it takes a lot of skill, but nothing gets my juices flowing like racing
against other drivers directly.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_Ezj7Ln-fpxsqH9o6YizsZzfsxYXkM5N/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kbYVbjLC37cXKYBOmVXJyWelGW0f9HJK/view?usp=share_link
I purchased an extra package that let me do 25 times laps on my own too.
Sorry, but lined up in the pit lane is not "lined up for the start".
And you've already admitted you were only average...
...in a field of beginners.
Alan, there is a picture taken by my wife of me and three other cars racing on the track.
Alan
2023-05-09 16:57:27 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by -hh
Post by Thomas E.
Post by -hh
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
while using a vision limiting device.
Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
made.
Because he needs to move the goalposts.
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
Or that you have flown an
airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather
then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced
the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a
PERSONAL judgement.
https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
'Google
404. That’s an error.
The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
Even if it exists, it doesn’t substantiate the other goalposts that Tom
tried to put on aircraft flight (an hour, instruments, rtc)
The new link wasn't of open wheel racing.
Post by Thomas E.
Post by -hh
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
to win.
No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
give you any appreciation for what racing is.
A similar thing can be said of Autocross: even though it is intended to
foster pushing limits, it is also typically structured to positively prevent
any car from getting near another (collision risk). As such, an entire
variable is eliminated.
HH, we were racing EACH OTHER. The was a trophy for the winner.
Was this race for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches
while using a vision limiting device?
LOL!
Post by -hh
Post by Thomas E.
NOTHING like autocross, ..
Correct: actual course competition against other drivers isn't the same
as racing solo against the clock...but the latter does facilitate being
close to the performance edge, and depending on how the track stuff
is done, can be higher risk of spin-outs/etc even at lower velocities.
And he's admitted he was only average at best.
I suspect that what he was doing was what's called "time attack" up
here. Not actual wheel-to-wheel racing, but rather each driver is trying
to do his fastest lap.
I have a very hard time imagining that there is any race-sanctioning
body that would allow drivers without a racing license to compete in an
actual race; not in lawsuit-happy America.
Post by -hh
Post by Thomas E.
..where I have more experience than on an oval.
Yeah, I have some AutoX trophies laying around here someplace too,
as well as some performance driving training stuff from BSR. You
may know the latter from their tactical training classes for SS & State.
For me, I just have no interest in autocross. I fully acknowledge that
it takes a lot of skill, but nothing gets my juices flowing like racing
against other drivers directly.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_Ezj7Ln-fpxsqH9o6YizsZzfsxYXkM5N/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kbYVbjLC37cXKYBOmVXJyWelGW0f9HJK/view?usp=share_link
I purchased an extra package that let me do 25 times laps on my own too.
Sorry, but lined up in the pit lane is not "lined up for the start".
And you've already admitted you were only average...
...in a field of beginners.
Alan, there is a picture taken by my wife of me and three other cars racing on the track.
No. There was a picture of four cars DRIVING on the track.

There is no proof that there was any actual racing.

Thomas E.
2023-05-07 20:02:07 UTC
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On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM
Post by Alan
On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at
Post by Alan
'This whole racing-a-car-thing should
be easy, right? After all, everyone
drives.
Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs,
current and former Major League
Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and
even rocket scientists tell me that
racing a car is the hardest thing
they’ve ever done.
If you were to ask someone who has
never raced how hard they think it
Would be, they’ll likely relate it to
having driven a mountain highway, or
across the country. I’ve received
responses like, “How hard could it be?
I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
That’s the problem.'
<https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
'Racing is much closer to flying
fighter jets. All those other things
I’ve done in the sky are, at most,
flying’s version of driving the
twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or
Highway 1 in Northern California. In
other words, it’s nothing like it.'
Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision
approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20
knot crosswind at night in heavy rain.
That will get your attention. What I did
yesterday not so much, but does take
training.
And, as usual, you think you know more
than someone who is both a pilot and an
accomplished racing driver, and highly
respect racing driving coach (having raced
in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the
24 Hours of Daytona)
A man who has literally done both told you
which he feels is more challenging.
But you know better.
(The little shit's self-centred essay
snipped)
Apples and oranges. Very different
challenges and training. Both are potentially
deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and
unprepared. I really do not think you can
compare which is more difficult. Just too
different.
But you, who do not do both...
...know better than someone who does...
...right, Little Shit?
My point is that you are not capable of the
flying I do on a routine basis. I am not
capable of winning the auto races you run.
Could I drive around the track at something
faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes.
But compete? No.
"Something faster than every day speeds"?
LOLOLOLOLOL
Race driving is the equivalent of "a
non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums
with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
rain."...
...every time you go through a corner.
As for my trip description it's no more
self-serving than your bragging race
narratives. Can't wait to read the next one,
if there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting
surgery, I'm afraid you'll have to wait until
June.
BTW, I see that as of today the subject of
my last email is still an open issue. Are you
ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on a
regular basis.
You're continuing to stalk?
Of course, you cited only one sports person with
relevant experience claiming that racing is more
difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He
was catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and
7-time All Star.
Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything
of relevance to the discussion, Little Shit?
Post by Thomas E.
Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed
his Cessna. He made a mistake performing what
should have been a routine landing in good
weather.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
So he wasn't a very good pilot?
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I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA)
checkride to a highly experienced pilot who made
the same mistake in a 172. I caught it and made
him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps
down from the landing checklist and then never
extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I
saw, and he is no longer flying for CAP.
As for the rest, like I said you cannot make
comparisons like driving through a race course
curve versus an instrument approach. Race driving
is more intense, flying gives you more time. More
time right up to the point where accumulated
errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
it up.
As you have no meaningful personal experience
with piloting aircraft you are just plain lying
making any person judgements on how difficult it
can be.
I quoted someone who DOES have personal
experience, Little Shit.
Post by Thomas E.
As for your open issue, it's just very
interesting, very much in the public domain, and
potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
issue. It's has been dragging on for years after
all. :-)
Or you could just not stalk people.
Post by Thomas E.
Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in
2017. It was almost painless and no activity
restrictions. It took all of a week from
diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred.
But you have health care waiting lines in Canada.
:) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
have that fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are
inserting the competitive element of racing in a car
compared to flying. Let's level the field by looking
at the aircraft race records. The only long-term
case available is Reno, and this year is the last
one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal
accidents. Here is the record of those Reno Air Race
fatal accidents. How many fatal accidents has your
SCCBC race circuit had in its existence?
And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying
Little Shit.
I think you do.
Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a
certain debt you owe? :-)
I do remember, but as I have also stated you are
comparing race cars to non race flying. My point
continues to be that flying can be as intense as racing
cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that
aircraft are likely more intense and dangerous than cars.
Consider that racing aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or
more. Look at that Reno fatal accident record. High g
forces break things.
That's not the way this went down.
I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest
that your general aviation flying was the greater pastime.
I brought up that it requires far less focus and
concentration that racing.
And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.
Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have NEVER DONE.
Post by Thomas E.
Of course you also have essentially zero flying
experience while I have raced go karts and once drove a
Nascar Sportsman car for 30 minutes on a short oval.
Wow.
30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even once?
YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for
support. And no, I did not spin.
Nope.
The subject was always racing vs the kind of flying YOU DO, Little Shit.
And if you didn't spin, you weren't pushing limit.
Pushing the limit is what you do in road racing...
...all...
...the...
...time.
Not all the time, but between the green and checkered flags but
only when other flags are shown, like yellow, blue, red and
black. You lied again.
Yes: you're not racing when it's not "between the green and
chequered" flag, Little Shit.
The yellow flag is a local "don't race" command flag. The blue is
and advisory flag and you keep racing when you see it.
The red and black flags are also both command flags which each in
their own way (which varies with different sanctioning bodies" mean
"stop racing"
Post by Thomas E.
Anyway, it's obvious that if all is going well in good weather
flying is not as stressful as driving a car in a race. But, most
people could drive a car in a race, but likely not good enough to
be competitive with experienced drivers.
That's not what you claimed before, Little Shit.
Post by Thomas E.
Today I did, in simulated IFR weather, 4 instrument approaches in
1 hour 10 minutes with a CFII in the right seat as the safety
pilot. You can see the track at
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAP1264 for a few days until
the May 5 flight drops off the list of 5 recent flight available
without a paid subscription.
"simulated" with a safety pilot...
...kind of removes the stress, doesn't it?
Post by Thomas E.
Those approaches were LPV 34 MQJ with missed approach and hold
entry, LNAV 16 MQJ with missed approach, VOR 33 UMP abandoned 2
miles out for conflicting traffic, then back to LNAV 16 MQJ and a
landing. We wanted to do ILS 25 MQJ but there were 2 other
aircraft practicing that one so we had to invent a plan B.
Of the total flight time, 43 minutes of the 64 minute flight were
spent level at an altitude of 724m ASL or about 1,500 feet AGL,
correct?
Post by Thomas E.
You are 100% engaged in setting up and monitoring then
transitioning to the next task. No time to rest for over an
hour.
Can you fly those approaches? I could drive your #21 at Mission
Raceway. Not win a race, but I know how to hit an apex and scope
out braking points. I would probably finish last, but I would
finish.
And driving a car is a skill most of us possess, you Little Shit.
And what you forget is that you don't get to drive around that
race track in isolation if you want to suddenly compare instrument
flying to what we were discussing.
You get to try and hit all those braking points and apexes while
other cars (even Formula Vees with have the horsepower you'd have)
go flying past you.
This whole thing is HILARIOUS.
I pointed you at an article by someone who is BOTH an accomplished
racing driver and racing driving coach—winner at the 24 Hours of
Daytona, AND an experienced pilot...
...and you still want to argue the point.
CAN flying require the same level of focus as racing?
Yes. From time to time.
Does it involve that level of focus all the time you're flying.
Flying aerobatics...
...or fighter jets...
...or air racing.
I do not argue that cruising on the highway or in the air is less
difficult and stressful than a car race. You admit that flying can be
very stressful, but still want to argue the point.
You're a liar, Little Shit.
That is PRECISELY the argument you started out making.
Post by Thomas E.
Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
while using a vision limiting device.
Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
made.
Because he needs to move the goalposts.
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Post by Thomas E.
Or that you have flown an
airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather
then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced
the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a
PERSONAL judgement.
https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
'Google
404. That’s an error.
The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
Even if it exists, it doesn’t substantiate the other goalposts that Tom
tried to put on aircraft flight (an hour, instruments, rtc)
Post by Alan
Post by Thomas E.
There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
to win.
No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
give you any appreciation for what racing is.
A similar thing can be said of Autocross: even though it is intended to
foster pushing limits, it is also typically structured to positively prevent
any car from getting near another (collision risk). As such, an entire
variable is eliminated.
-hh
And more, after all these years the Rantoul club is still racing! I was teaching at the U. of Illinois at the time, 1974-78.

https://ccsportscarclub.org/autocross/
Thomas E.
2023-05-07 19:49:50 UTC
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On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4,
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On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4,
Post by Alan
On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM
Post by Alan
On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at
Post by Alan
'This whole racing-a-car-thing should
be easy, right? After all, everyone
drives.
Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs,
current and former Major League
Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and
even rocket scientists tell me that
racing a car is the hardest thing
they’ve ever done.
If you were to ask someone who has
never raced how hard they think it
Would be, they’ll likely relate it to
having driven a mountain highway, or
across the country. I’ve received
responses like, “How hard could it be?
I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
That’s the problem.'
<https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
'Racing is much closer to flying
fighter jets. All those other things
I’ve done in the sky are, at most,
flying’s version of driving the
twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or
Highway 1 in Northern California. In
other words, it’s nothing like it.'
Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision
approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20
knot crosswind at night in heavy rain.
That will get your attention. What I did
yesterday not so much, but does take
training.
And, as usual, you think you know more
than someone who is both a pilot and an
accomplished racing driver, and highly
respect racing driving coach (having raced
in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the
24 Hours of Daytona)
A man who has literally done both told you
which he feels is more challenging.
But you know better.
(The little shit's self-centred essay
snipped)
Apples and oranges. Very different
challenges and training. Both are potentially
deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and
unprepared. I really do not think you can
compare which is more difficult. Just too
different.
But you, who do not do both...
...know better than someone who does...
...right, Little Shit?
My point is that you are not capable of the
flying I do on a routine basis. I am not
capable of winning the auto races you run.
Could I drive around the track at something
faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes.
But compete? No.
"Something faster than every day speeds"?
LOLOLOLOLOL
Race driving is the equivalent of "a
non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums
with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
rain."...
...every time you go through a corner.
As for my trip description it's no more
self-serving than your bragging race
narratives. Can't wait to read the next one,
if there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting
surgery, I'm afraid you'll have to wait until
June.
BTW, I see that as of today the subject of
my last email is still an open issue. Are you
ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on a
regular basis.
You're continuing to stalk?
Of course, you cited only one sports person with
relevant experience claiming that racing is more
difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He
was catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and
7-time All Star.
Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything
of relevance to the discussion, Little Shit?
Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed
his Cessna. He made a mistake performing what
should have been a routine landing in good
weather.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
So he wasn't a very good pilot?
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I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA)
checkride to a highly experienced pilot who made
the same mistake in a 172. I caught it and made
him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps
down from the landing checklist and then never
extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I
saw, and he is no longer flying for CAP.
As for the rest, like I said you cannot make
comparisons like driving through a race course
curve versus an instrument approach. Race driving
is more intense, flying gives you more time. More
time right up to the point where accumulated
errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
it up.
As you have no meaningful personal experience
with piloting aircraft you are just plain lying
making any person judgements on how difficult it
can be.
I quoted someone who DOES have personal
experience, Little Shit.
As for your open issue, it's just very
interesting, very much in the public domain, and
potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
issue. It's has been dragging on for years after
all. :-)
Or you could just not stalk people.
Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in
2017. It was almost painless and no activity
restrictions. It took all of a week from
diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred.
But you have health care waiting lines in Canada.
:) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
have that fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are
inserting the competitive element of racing in a car
compared to flying. Let's level the field by looking
at the aircraft race records. The only long-term
case available is Reno, and this year is the last
one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal
accidents. Here is the record of those Reno Air Race
fatal accidents. How many fatal accidents has your
SCCBC race circuit had in its existence?
And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying
Little Shit.
I think you do.
Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a
certain debt you owe? :-)
I do remember, but as I have also stated you are
comparing race cars to non race flying. My point
continues to be that flying can be as intense as racing
cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that
aircraft are likely more intense and dangerous than cars.
Consider that racing aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or
more. Look at that Reno fatal accident record. High g
forces break things.
That's not the way this went down.
I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest
that your general aviation flying was the greater pastime.
I brought up that it requires far less focus and
concentration that racing.
And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.
Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have NEVER DONE.
Post by Thomas E.
Of course you also have essentially zero flying
experience while I have raced go karts and once drove a
Nascar Sportsman car for 30 minutes on a short oval.
Wow.
30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even once?
YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for
support. And no, I did not spin.
Nope.
The subject was always racing vs the kind of flying YOU DO, Little Shit.
And if you didn't spin, you weren't pushing limit.
Pushing the limit is what you do in road racing...
...all...
...the...
...time.
Not all the time, but between the green and checkered flags but
only when other flags are shown, like yellow, blue, red and
black. You lied again.
Yes: you're not racing when it's not "between the green and
chequered" flag, Little Shit.
The yellow flag is a local "don't race" command flag. The blue is
and advisory flag and you keep racing when you see it.
The red and black flags are also both command flags which each in
their own way (which varies with different sanctioning bodies" mean
"stop racing"
Post by Thomas E.
Anyway, it's obvious that if all is going well in good weather
flying is not as stressful as driving a car in a race. But, most
people could drive a car in a race, but likely not good enough to
be competitive with experienced drivers.
That's not what you claimed before, Little Shit.
Post by Thomas E.
Today I did, in simulated IFR weather, 4 instrument approaches in
1 hour 10 minutes with a CFII in the right seat as the safety
pilot. You can see the track at
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAP1264 for a few days until
the May 5 flight drops off the list of 5 recent flight available
without a paid subscription.
"simulated" with a safety pilot...
...kind of removes the stress, doesn't it?
Post by Thomas E.
Those approaches were LPV 34 MQJ with missed approach and hold
entry, LNAV 16 MQJ with missed approach, VOR 33 UMP abandoned 2
miles out for conflicting traffic, then back to LNAV 16 MQJ and a
landing. We wanted to do ILS 25 MQJ but there were 2 other
aircraft practicing that one so we had to invent a plan B.
Of the total flight time, 43 minutes of the 64 minute flight were
spent level at an altitude of 724m ASL or about 1,500 feet AGL,
correct?
Post by Thomas E.
You are 100% engaged in setting up and monitoring then
transitioning to the next task. No time to rest for over an
hour.
Can you fly those approaches? I could drive your #21 at Mission
Raceway. Not win a race, but I know how to hit an apex and scope
out braking points. I would probably finish last, but I would
finish.
And driving a car is a skill most of us possess, you Little Shit.
And what you forget is that you don't get to drive around that
race track in isolation if you want to suddenly compare instrument
flying to what we were discussing.
You get to try and hit all those braking points and apexes while
other cars (even Formula Vees with have the horsepower you'd have)
go flying past you.
This whole thing is HILARIOUS.
I pointed you at an article by someone who is BOTH an accomplished
racing driver and racing driving coach—winner at the 24 Hours of
Daytona, AND an experienced pilot...
...and you still want to argue the point.
CAN flying require the same level of focus as racing?
Yes. From time to time.
Does it involve that level of focus all the time you're flying.
Flying aerobatics...
...or fighter jets...
...or air racing.
I do not argue that cruising on the highway or in the air is less
difficult and stressful than a car race. You admit that flying can be
very stressful, but still want to argue the point.
You're a liar, Little Shit.
That is PRECISELY the argument you started out making.
Post by Thomas E.
Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
while using a vision limiting device.
Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
made.
Post by Thomas E.
Or that you have flown an
airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather
then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced
the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a
PERSONAL judgement.
https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
'Google
404. That’s an error.
The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
Post by Thomas E.
There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
to win.
No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
give you any appreciation for what racing is.
I was racing with 10 other cars. It was intense. New link, this one should work.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gBvplQ_KLd2Akddq99PKvEpnxsw-ffRw/view?usp=share_link
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2023-05-07 20:15:53 UTC
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https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
'Google
404. That’s an error.
The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
Post by Thomas E.
There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
to win.
No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
give you any appreciation for what racing is.
I was racing with 10 other cars. It was intense. New link, this one should work.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gBvplQ_KLd2Akddq99PKvEpnxsw-ffRw/view?usp=share_link
You're not just a liar...

...you're an incompetent liar.

First of all, that's a link to your so-call "problem" with Siri.

Second, when you want directions from Siri, start with "directions to"
or "navigate to".

Third (and back on topic):

No sanctioning body in the litigation-happy US of A would ever let
anyone race...

...without a racing license.
Thomas E.
2023-05-07 20:03:52 UTC
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Post by Alan
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4,
Post by Alan
On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4,
Post by Alan
On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM
Post by Alan
On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at
Post by Alan
'This whole racing-a-car-thing should
be easy, right? After all, everyone
drives.
Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs,
current and former Major League
Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and
even rocket scientists tell me that
racing a car is the hardest thing
they’ve ever done.
If you were to ask someone who has
never raced how hard they think it
Would be, they’ll likely relate it to
having driven a mountain highway, or
across the country. I’ve received
responses like, “How hard could it be?
I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
That’s the problem.'
<https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
'Racing is much closer to flying
fighter jets. All those other things
I’ve done in the sky are, at most,
flying’s version of driving the
twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or
Highway 1 in Northern California. In
other words, it’s nothing like it.'
Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision
approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20
knot crosswind at night in heavy rain.
That will get your attention. What I did
yesterday not so much, but does take
training.
And, as usual, you think you know more
than someone who is both a pilot and an
accomplished racing driver, and highly
respect racing driving coach (having raced
in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the
24 Hours of Daytona)
A man who has literally done both told you
which he feels is more challenging.
But you know better.
(The little shit's self-centred essay
snipped)
Apples and oranges. Very different
challenges and training. Both are potentially
deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and
unprepared. I really do not think you can
compare which is more difficult. Just too
different.
But you, who do not do both...
...know better than someone who does...
...right, Little Shit?
My point is that you are not capable of the
flying I do on a routine basis. I am not
capable of winning the auto races you run.
Could I drive around the track at something
faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes.
But compete? No.
"Something faster than every day speeds"?
LOLOLOLOLOL
Race driving is the equivalent of "a
non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums
with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
rain."...
...every time you go through a corner.
As for my trip description it's no more
self-serving than your bragging race
narratives. Can't wait to read the next one,
if there is one.
Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting
surgery, I'm afraid you'll have to wait until
June.
BTW, I see that as of today the subject of
my last email is still an open issue. Are you
ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on a
regular basis.
You're continuing to stalk?
Of course, you cited only one sports person with
relevant experience claiming that racing is more
difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He
was catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and
7-time All Star.
Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything
of relevance to the discussion, Little Shit?
Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed
his Cessna. He made a mistake performing what
should have been a routine landing in good
weather.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
So he wasn't a very good pilot?
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Post by Thomas E.
Post by Alan
Post by Alan
I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA)
checkride to a highly experienced pilot who made
the same mistake in a 172. I caught it and made
him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps
down from the landing checklist and then never
extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I
saw, and he is no longer flying for CAP.
As for the rest, like I said you cannot make
comparisons like driving through a race course
curve versus an instrument approach. Race driving
is more intense, flying gives you more time. More
time right up to the point where accumulated
errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
it up.
As you have no meaningful personal experience
with piloting aircraft you are just plain lying
making any person judgements on how difficult it
can be.
I quoted someone who DOES have personal
experience, Little Shit.
As for your open issue, it's just very
interesting, very much in the public domain, and
potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
issue. It's has been dragging on for years after
all. :-)
Or you could just not stalk people.
Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in
2017. It was almost painless and no activity
restrictions. It took all of a week from
diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred.
But you have health care waiting lines in Canada.
:) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
have that fixed. :)
If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are
inserting the competitive element of racing in a car
compared to flying. Let's level the field by looking
at the aircraft race records. The only long-term
case available is Reno, and this year is the last
one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal
accidents. Here is the record of those Reno Air Race
fatal accidents. How many fatal accidents has your
SCCBC race circuit had in its existence?
And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying
Little Shit.
I think you do.
Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a
certain debt you owe? :-)
I do remember, but as I have also stated you are
comparing race cars to non race flying. My point
continues to be that flying can be as intense as racing
cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that
aircraft are likely more intense and dangerous than cars.
Consider that racing aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or
more. Look at that Reno fatal accident record. High g
forces break things.
That's not the way this went down.
I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest
that your general aviation flying was the greater pastime.
I brought up that it requires far less focus and
concentration that racing.
And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.
Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have NEVER DONE.
Post by Thomas E.
Of course you also have essentially zero flying
experience while I have raced go karts and once drove a
Nascar Sportsman car for 30 minutes on a short oval.
Wow.
30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even once?
YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for
support. And no, I did not spin.
Nope.
The subject was always racing vs the kind of flying YOU DO, Little Shit.
And if you didn't spin, you weren't pushing limit.
Pushing the limit is what you do in road racing...
...all...
...the...
...time.
Not all the time, but between the green and checkered flags but
only when other flags are shown, like yellow, blue, red and
black. You lied again.
Yes: you're not racing when it's not "between the green and
chequered" flag, Little Shit.
The yellow flag is a local "don't race" command flag. The blue is
and advisory flag and you keep racing when you see it.
The red and black flags are also both command flags which each in
their own way (which varies with different sanctioning bodies" mean
"stop racing"
Post by Thomas E.
Anyway, it's obvious that if all is going well in good weather
flying is not as stressful as driving a car in a race. But, most
people could drive a car in a race, but likely not good enough to
be competitive with experienced drivers.
That's not what you claimed before, Little Shit.
Post by Thomas E.
Today I did, in simulated IFR weather, 4 instrument approaches in
1 hour 10 minutes with a CFII in the right seat as the safety
pilot. You can see the track at
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAP1264 for a few days until
the May 5 flight drops off the list of 5 recent flight available
without a paid subscription.
"simulated" with a safety pilot...
...kind of removes the stress, doesn't it?
Post by Thomas E.
Those approaches were LPV 34 MQJ with missed approach and hold
entry, LNAV 16 MQJ with missed approach, VOR 33 UMP abandoned 2
miles out for conflicting traffic, then back to LNAV 16 MQJ and a
landing. We wanted to do ILS 25 MQJ but there were 2 other
aircraft practicing that one so we had to invent a plan B.
Of the total flight time, 43 minutes of the 64 minute flight were
spent level at an altitude of 724m ASL or about 1,500 feet AGL,
correct?
Post by Thomas E.
You are 100% engaged in setting up and monitoring then
transitioning to the next task. No time to rest for over an
hour.
Can you fly those approaches? I could drive your #21 at Mission
Raceway. Not win a race, but I know how to hit an apex and scope
out braking points. I would probably finish last, but I would
finish.
And driving a car is a skill most of us possess, you Little Shit.
And what you forget is that you don't get to drive around that
race track in isolation if you want to suddenly compare instrument
flying to what we were discussing.
You get to try and hit all those braking points and apexes while
other cars (even Formula Vees with have the horsepower you'd have)
go flying past you.
This whole thing is HILARIOUS.
I pointed you at an article by someone who is BOTH an accomplished
racing driver and racing driving coach—winner at the 24 Hours of
Daytona, AND an experienced pilot...
...and you still want to argue the point.
CAN flying require the same level of focus as racing?
Yes. From time to time.
Does it involve that level of focus all the time you're flying.
Flying aerobatics...
...or fighter jets...
...or air racing.
I do not argue that cruising on the highway or in the air is less
difficult and stressful than a car race. You admit that flying can be
very stressful, but still want to argue the point.
You're a liar, Little Shit.
That is PRECISELY the argument you started out making.
Post by Thomas E.
Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
while using a vision limiting device.
Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
made.
Post by Thomas E.
Or that you have flown an
airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather
then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced
the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a
PERSONAL judgement.
https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
'Google
404. That’s an error.
The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
Post by Thomas E.
There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
to win.
No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
give you any appreciation for what racing is.
Below what limit? Limit? We were racing for a trophy. I was going faster than about half the field.
Alan
2023-05-07 20:18:14 UTC
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Post by Thomas E.
There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
to win.
No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
give you any appreciation for what racing is.
Below what limit? Limit? We were racing for a trophy. I was going faster than about half the field.
So you were average...

...in a field of beginners.

And what was the sanctioning body, Little Shit?
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