Ming-Chi Kuo explains the iPhone 15 overheating design flaws

[Wally J]

I'll hold onto anything you like at a temperature of 116F for as long as
you like.

Third degree burns in just a few minutes at that bath water temperature.
https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/what-is-a-safe-bath-water-temperature-dermatologist-explain/

It's never Apple's fault - it's always the consumer's fault with Apple.

*You're holding it wrong.*

[Wally J]

I'll hold onto anything you like at a temperature of 116F for as
long as you like.

Third degree burns in just a few minutes at that bath water
temperature.
https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/what-is-a-safe-bath-water-temperature-dermatologist-explain/

Fahrenheit vs Celius, idiot.

Self-proclaimed

Jesus Christ. These iKooks are ignorant. Uneducated. And of really low IQ!

*That's _why_ they're iKooks* after all...

These ignorant uneducated low-IQ iKooks like Jolly Roger & Alan Baker
clearly don't even know the difference between the Celsius and Fahrenheit
temperature scales!

Every single statement from these ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks reeks
of their utter incomprehension of how blazingly hot 116C would be!

Even 116F bath water would give people third-degree burns in minutes.

These uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks are fantastically _desperate_ to
excuse Apple's incompetence in designing the too-hot-to-hold iPhone 15.

[candycanearter07]

Post by Wally J
These uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks are fantastically _desperate_ to
excuse Apple's incompetence in designing the too-hot-to-hold iPhone 15.

*how* did they manage to make it less safe??

[Alan]

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Wally J
These uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks are fantastically _desperate_ to
excuse Apple's incompetence in designing the too-hot-to-hold iPhone 15.

*how* did they manage to make it less safe??

Before you ask "how"...

...ask "if".

The maximum temperature mentioned so far has been 116°F (46.7°C).

That's not hot enough to be unsafe...at all.

[candycanearter07]

Post by Alan

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Wally J
These uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks are fantastically _desperate_ to
excuse Apple's incompetence in designing the too-hot-to-hold iPhone 15.

*how* did they manage to make it less safe??

Before you ask "how"...
...ask "if".
The maximum temperature mentioned so far has been 116°F (46.7°C).
That's not hot enough to be unsafe...at all.

Still not super comfortable! I wouldn't want to use something that hot.

[sms]

On 9/27/2023 9:03 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:

<snip>

Post by candycanearter07
Still not super comfortable! I wouldn't want to use something that hot.

There are changes that can be made to the thermal management system
inside the product but these will take a while to design, fabricate, and
get into manufacturing. They can also improve the binning process to
ensure that the higher power consumption processors are not used.

This is why it's often unwise to buy the first production of a product
like this. There are _always_ ECOs (Engineering Change Orders) that
address issues that don't show up until a complex product is in mass
production and in the hands of consumers. These issues are not serious
enough to warrant a recall but still are addressed as the product matures.

As to the possible workarounds, they could change the setting at which
the processor throttles but that would affect performance.

They could also do something similar to what they did with the iPhone 4
and offer a free case. The analysis that has been done with thermal
imaging cameras show the areas of the device that are uncomfortably hot.
It's mainly the titanium frame, but also some portion of the back of the
phone.

[Wally J]

Post by sms
As to the possible workarounds, they could change the setting at which
the processor throttles but that would affect performance.

It wouldn't be the first time that the "vaunted" speed of the bionic CPUs
only was attainable in the lab but not any semblance of real-world usage.

As has always been the case, Apple is incompetent at design but extremely
good at marketing - which is what Apple & Big Tobacco have in common.

[Alan]

Post by Wally J

Post by sms
As to the possible workarounds, they could change the setting at which
the processor throttles but that would affect performance.

It wouldn't be the first time that the "vaunted" speed of the bionic CPUs
only was attainable in the lab but not any semblance of real-world usage.

Something you claim...

...but can't prove.

Post by Wally J
As has always been the case, Apple is incompetent at design but extremely
good at marketing - which is what Apple & Big Tobacco have in common.

[Alan]

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Alan

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Wally J
These uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks are fantastically
_desperate_ to
excuse Apple's incompetence in designing the too-hot-to-hold iPhone 15.

*how* did they manage to make it less safe??

Before you ask "how"...
...ask "if".
The maximum temperature mentioned so far has been 116°F (46.7°C).
That's not hot enough to be unsafe...at all.

Still not super comfortable! I wouldn't want to use something that hot.

But you agree that your question "*how* did they manage to make it less
safe?" was complete bullshit, right?

[Jolly Roger]

Post by Alan

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Alan

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Wally J
These uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks are fantastically
_desperate_ to excuse Apple's incompetence in designing the
too-hot-to-hold iPhone 15.

*how* did they manage to make it less safe??

Before you ask "how"...
...ask "if".
The maximum temperature mentioned so far has been 116°F (46.7°C).
That's not hot enough to be unsafe...at all.

Still not super comfortable! I wouldn't want to use something that hot.

But you agree that your question "*how* did they manage to make it
less safe?" was complete bullshit, right?

Nah. He's lockstep in support of Arlen's weak trolls.

[Wally J]

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Alan
The maximum temperature mentioned so far has been 116°F (46.7°C).
That's not hot enough to be unsafe...at all.

Still not super comfortable! I wouldn't want to use something that hot.

Hi candycanearter07,

Certainly 116F is too hot for a phone - which is the main point that the
religious zealot iKooks are _desperate_ to reflect attention from.

You have to comprehend that the low-IQ ignorant uneducated iKooks are
_desperate_ to claim that what's happening with the iPhone 15, isn't.

Keep that in mind - because these religious zealots are _afraid_ of the
fact that Apple clearly screwed up (again!) in overall iPhone design.

This time in the heat dissipation calculations.
(You'd think Apple would have tested the iPhone at least once; but this
isn't the first time Apple easily proved to never have tested the iPhone.)


Nonetheless... let's play the game the ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks
want us to play which is to _distract_ from the topic of Apple being
incompetent in design (again!)... this time with the iPhone 15.

While it's obvious that neither Alan Baker nor Jolly Roger has a clue that
the Celsius system exists - nor that at 116C - it would be blazingly hot...

First off... I have a hot tub and I _know_ what 104F feels like.
Do you?

Secondly... the low-IQ ignorant uneducated iKooks don't know the difference
between a setting for the output of the hot-water heater and the water
temperature at the tap.
<https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/what-is-a-safe-bath-water-temperature-dermatologist-explain/>

Thirdly... there are huge differences between a bath & a shower given the
inherent mechanism of both is completely different.

But most importantly, this chart shows third-degree burns which is the
chart I was quoting and which the ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks are
desperate to deflect claiming _they_ can handle water at 116C with aplomb.
<https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Temperature-Range-For-Staying-In-A-Bath-Or-Shower.png>

[Alan]

Post by Wally J

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Alan
The maximum temperature mentioned so far has been 116°F (46.7°C).
That's not hot enough to be unsafe...at all.

Still not super comfortable! I wouldn't want to use something that hot.

Hi candycanearter07,
Certainly 116F is too hot for a phone - which is the main point that the
religious zealot iKooks are _desperate_ to reflect attention from.

How often is that figure actually attained?

Post by Wally J
You have to comprehend that the low-IQ ignorant uneducated iKooks are
_desperate_ to claim that what's happening with the iPhone 15, isn't.
Keep that in mind - because these religious zealots are _afraid_ of the
fact that Apple clearly screwed up (again!) in overall iPhone design.
This time in the heat dissipation calculations.
(You'd think Apple would have tested the iPhone at least once; but this
isn't the first time Apple easily proved to never have tested the iPhone.)
Nonetheless... let's play the game the ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks
want us to play which is to _distract_ from the topic of Apple being
incompetent in design (again!)... this time with the iPhone 15.
While it's obvious that neither Alan Baker nor Jolly Roger has a clue that
the Celsius system exists - nor that at 116C - it would be blazingly hot...

That's the error you made when you claimed that 116°F would give you
"third-degree burns"

Post by Wally J
First off... I have a hot tub and I _know_ what 104F feels like.
Do you?

Yes.

Post by Wally J
Secondly... the low-IQ ignorant uneducated iKooks don't know the difference
between a setting for the output of the hot-water heater and the water
temperature at the tap.
<https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/what-is-a-safe-bath-water-temperature-dermatologist-explain/>

Which sets safe bath temperature at 120°F...

Post by Wally J
Thirdly... there are huge differences between a bath & a shower given the
inherent mechanism of both is completely different.
But most importantly, this chart shows third-degree burns which is the
chart I was quoting and which the ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks are
desperate to deflect claiming _they_ can handle water at 116C with aplomb.
<https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Temperature-Range-For-Staying-In-A-Bath-Or-Shower.png>

That reflects STAYING in a bath (water: very high latent heat) with
water that STAYS at 120°F (not 116)

versus

A small portion of a small device (less than 250g) with far less latent
heat.

I'll say it again: you give me a phone at 116°F and I'll hold onto it as
long as you like.

[candycanearter07]

Post by Wally J

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Alan
The maximum temperature mentioned so far has been 116°F (46.7°C).
That's not hot enough to be unsafe...at all.

Still not super comfortable! I wouldn't want to use something that hot.

Hi candycanearter07,

[snip]

Post by Wally J
While it's obvious that neither Alan Baker nor Jolly Roger has a clue that
the Celsius system exists - nor that at 116C - it would be blazingly hot...

It's a simple Google search..

Post by Wally J
First off... I have a hot tub and I _know_ what 104F feels like.
Do you?

Well, it was 100F where I lived last week. So kinda..?

Post by Wally J
Secondly... the low-IQ ignorant uneducated iKooks don't know the difference
between a setting for the output of the hot-water heater and the water
temperature at the tap.
<https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/what-is-a-safe-bath-water-temperature-dermatologist-explain/>
Thirdly... there are huge differences between a bath & a shower given the
inherent mechanism of both is completely different.
But most importantly, this chart shows third-degree burns which is the
chart I was quoting and which the ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks are
desperate to deflect claiming _they_ can handle water at 116C with aplomb.
<https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Temperature-Range-For-Staying-In-A-Bath-Or-Shower.png>

I'd be surprised if someone would willingly hold their device that long.
Also YIKES that is fast past 130f.

[Alan]

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Wally J

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Alan
The maximum temperature mentioned so far has been 116°F (46.7°C).
That's not hot enough to be unsafe...at all.

Still not super comfortable! I wouldn't want to use something that hot.

Hi candycanearter07,

[snip]

Post by Wally J
While it's obvious that neither Alan Baker nor Jolly Roger has a clue that
the Celsius system exists - nor that at 116C - it would be blazingly hot...

It's a simple Google search..

And one he should have done.

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Wally J
First off... I have a hot tub and I _know_ what 104F feels like.
Do you?

Well, it was 100F where I lived last week. So kinda..?

Amazing how no one but Arlen can possibly understand this stuff, huh?

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Wally J
Secondly... the low-IQ ignorant uneducated iKooks don't know the difference
between a setting for the output of the hot-water heater and the water
temperature at the tap.
<https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/what-is-a-safe-bath-water-temperature-dermatologist-explain/>
Thirdly... there are huge differences between a bath & a shower given the
inherent mechanism of both is completely different.
But most importantly, this chart shows third-degree burns which is the
chart I was quoting and which the ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks are
desperate to deflect claiming _they_ can handle water at 116C with aplomb.
<https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Temperature-Range-For-Staying-In-A-Bath-Or-Shower.png>

I'd be surprised if someone would willingly hold their device that long.
Also YIKES that is fast past 130f.

Water has a very large "specific heat capacity" (to say it properly;
apologies for initially saying "latent heat").

So if you stay in a bath of water that STAYS at 130°F, then your tissue
will receive a lot of heat, but...

...and this is a very large "but"...

...if you get into an actual, physical tub full of water, then there is
a finite volume of water which while it starts at one temperature, will
quickly fall to a lower temperature... ...because YOU are at a lower
temperature.

And while 130°F is certainly too hot to step into a bath, a bath that
starts at 116°F will be at quite a bit less moments after you enter.

And a less that half pound phone—not all of which is at 116°F
anyway—will not STAY at 116°F after you hold it.

What matters there is heat generate per unit time.

[sms]

On 9/27/2023 10:10 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:

<snip>

Post by candycanearter07
I'd be surprised if someone would willingly hold their device that long.
Also YIKES that is fast past 130f.

Exactly. You're not going to hold a device for a long period of time if
it's that hot. 116°F is uncomfortable to hold but it won't burn you.

The 15 Pro is not shutting down and is not overheating. If the internal
temperature was too hot it would display a message that the device needs
to cool down. It is transferring heat out of the phone to the outside as
designed. If it used a stainless steel frame then even more heat would
be being transferred and it would be even more uncomfortable to hold.

As to "a fix" for the existing units, reducing the processor speed and
voltage to reduce the temperature is not necessarily a fix that a lot of
users would want since they may be using the phone when it's sitting on
a desk or table, or when it's on a charging stand. What would be a
better solution would be a choice in settings that lets the user choose
the balance of performance, battery life, and temperature that they prefer.

[Patrick]

Post by candycanearter07

The maximum temperature mentioned so far has been 116�F (46.7�C).
That's not hot enough to be unsafe...at all.

Still not super comfortable!

You're holding it wrong.

Post by candycanearter07
I wouldn't want to use something that hot.

https://www.wired.com/2010/06/iphone-4-holding-it-wrong/

Apple's Response to iPhone 4 Antenna Problem: You're Holding It Wrong
There's an old joke about a man who visits a doctor, complaining that his
arm hurts whenever he moves it a certain way. The doctor's response? "Stop
moving it that way." That pretty much sums up Apple's response to the
people who have complained that holding the iPhone 4 in their left hand
is wrong.

The iPhone can only be held properly in the right hand!

[Alan]

Post by Wally J

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Alan
The maximum temperature mentioned so far has been 116°F (46.7°C).
That's not hot enough to be unsafe...at all.

Still not super comfortable!

You're holding it wrong.

Post by candycanearter07
I wouldn't want to use something that hot.

https://www.wired.com/2010/06/iphone-4-holding-it-wrong/
Apple's Response to iPhone 4 Antenna Problem: You're Holding It Wrong
There's an old joke about a man who visits a doctor, complaining that
his arm hurts whenever he moves it a certain way. The doctor's response?
"Stop moving it that way." That pretty much sums up Apple's response to
the people who have complained that holding the iPhone 4 in their left
hand is wrong.
The iPhone can only be held properly in the right hand!

You should have quoted this part as well, don't you think?

'Despite numerous reports from Wired.com readers, we have been trying to
replicate the problem without success.'

[sms]

On 9/27/2023 9:43 AM, Patrick wrote:

<snip>

Post by Wally J
You're holding it wrong.

The National Burn Victim Foundation states that an adult can be in
contact with a 120°F for up to ten minutes before causing a burn while
children, who have thicker skin, will not be burned at all at that
temperature. This was for water. They do not specify anything below
120°F. I believe that the highest temperature that was found for the
iPhone 15 Pro was 116°F which would be uncomfortable to hold for long
periods of time.

I recall being at the Computex show in Taiwan when the first x86 tablets
were being shown. One company suggested that users of their tablet wear
gloves when operating it because it was so uncomfortable to hold because
of the temperature.

Credit Steve Jobs who looked at the failure of early Windows tablets and
understood that a tablet didn't have to have a high-TDP processor and
didn't have to run Windows applications.

[Alan Browne]

Post by Wally J

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Alan
The maximum temperature mentioned so far has been 116°F (46.7°C).
That's not hot enough to be unsafe...at all.

Still not super comfortable!

You're holding it wrong.

Post by candycanearter07
I wouldn't want to use something that hot.

https://www.wired.com/2010/06/iphone-4-holding-it-wrong/
Apple's Response to iPhone 4 Antenna Problem: You're Holding It Wrong
There's an old joke about a man who visits a doctor, complaining that
his arm hurts whenever he moves it a certain way. The doctor's response?
"Stop moving it that way." That pretty much sums up Apple's response to
the people who have complained that holding the iPhone 4 in their left
hand is wrong.
The iPhone can only be held properly in the right hand!

I had the iPhone 4. Never had an issue with it no matter how I held it.

[Jolly Roger]

Post by Alan Browne

Post by Wally J

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Alan
The maximum temperature mentioned so far has been 116°F (46.7°C).
That's not hot enough to be unsafe...at all.

Still not super comfortable!

You're holding it wrong.

Post by candycanearter07
I wouldn't want to use something that hot.

https://www.wired.com/2010/06/iphone-4-holding-it-wrong/
Apple's Response to iPhone 4 Antenna Problem: You're Holding It Wrong
There's an old joke about a man who visits a doctor, complaining that
his arm hurts whenever he moves it a certain way. The doctor's
response? "Stop moving it that way." That pretty much sums up
Apple's response to the people who have complained that holding the
iPhone 4 in their left hand is wrong. The iPhone can only be held
properly in the right hand!

I had the iPhone 4. Never had an issue with it no matter how I held it.

Same here with multiple units.

[badgolferman]

Post by Patrick
There's an old joke about a man who visits a doctor, complaining that his
arm hurts whenever he moves it a certain way. The doctor's response? "Stop
moving it that way."

That reminds me of another joke:

The guy complains to his doctor whenever he touches his arm it hurts.
Whenever he touches his head it hurts. Whenever he touches his leg it
hurts. He asks what’s wrong with him?

The doctor says, “Your finger is broken.”

[sms]

<snip>

Post by Wally J
You're holding it wrong.

Post by candycanearter07
I wouldn't want to use something that hot.

https://www.wired.com/2010/06/iphone-4-holding-it-wrong/
Apple's Response to iPhone 4 Antenna Problem: You're Holding It Wrong
There's an old joke about a man who visits a doctor, complaining that
his arm hurts whenever he moves it a certain way. The doctor's response?
"Stop moving it that way." That pretty much sums up Apple's response to
the people who have complained that holding the iPhone 4 in their left
hand is wrong.
The iPhone can only be held properly in the right hand!

Actually, a bumper case would partially solve the iPhone 15 Pro/Pro Max
thermal issue, just like the bumper case for the iPhone 4 solved the
attenuation issue with the antenna.

The downside is that it would allow less heat to be transferred from the
phone to the outside and could cause overheating and shutdown.

What would be ideal is a heat dissipation case such as the one for the
iPhone 13 Pro/Pro Max and 14 Pro/Pro Max
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09L54R7VZ> though perhaps with holes along
the edges as well.

[Jolly Roger]

Post by Wally J

I'll hold onto anything you like at a temperature of 116F for as
long as you like.

Third degree burns in just a few minutes at that bath water
temperature.
https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/what-is-a-safe-bath-water-temperature-dermatologist-explain/

Fahrenheit vs Celius, idiot.

Self-proclaimed

Jesus Christ. These iKooks are ignorant. Uneducated. And of really low IQ!
*That's _why_ they're iKooks* after all...
These ignorant uneducated low-IQ iKooks like Jolly Roger & Alan Baker
clearly don't even know the difference between the Celsius and Fahrenheit
temperature scales!
Every single statement from these ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks reeks
of their utter incomprehension of how blazingly hot 116C would be!
Even 116F bath water would give people third-degree burns in minutes.

From Arlen's vaunted article:

---
The maximum temperature for bathing that the Department of Health
recommends should be no higher than 120 °F (48.8 oC)
---

I guess Arlen thinks nobody actually reads. 🤣

All he has are schoolyard insults. He's a shitty troll.

[Wally J]

Post by Jolly Roger
The maximum temperature for bathing

You iKooks, Jolly Roger (and Alan Baker) don't own adult cognitive skills.

"Most experts and doctors are suggesting to adjust on your water
heater the max temperature in your home to 120 °F (48.8 °C)
to prevent injury."
<https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/what-is-a-safe-bath-water-temperature-dermatologist-explain/>

They're talking about the water heater set temperature (which will only
cool down from there) but more importantly, look at the chart for
3rd-degree burns, JR. Yes. Look. Read it. Understand it. Cognate it.
<Loading Image...>

You'll notice they're talking also about showering - where the hot water
from the hot-water heater is mixed with the cold water from the source.

"According to dermatologists, the hottest safe water temperature for a
shower should not go higher than 109 °F (43 oC). Of course, when it comes
to small children who are much more sensitive to heat, they must use lower
temperatures below 100 °F."

And that still doesn't excuse the fact that you and Alan Baker have never
heard of the Celsius temperature scale where 116C is hotter than 116F.

These ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks don't own adult cognitive skills.

[Alan]

Post by Wally J

Post by Jolly Roger
The maximum temperature for bathing

You iKooks, Jolly Roger (and Alan Baker) don't own adult cognitive skills.
"Most experts and doctors are suggesting to adjust on your water
heater the max temperature in your home to 120 °F (48.8 °C)
to prevent injury."
<https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/what-is-a-safe-bath-water-temperature-dermatologist-explain/>

And 120° "prevent[ing] injury" means that no one can be injured even if
they run their hands under the undiluted hot water stream.

How do we know this?

From the EXACT same article:

'The maximum temperature for bathing that the Department of Health
recommends should be no higher than 120 °F (48.8 oC)'

Post by Wally J
They're talking about the water heater set temperature (which will only
cool down from there) but more importantly, look at the chart for
3rd-degree burns, JR. Yes. Look. Read it. Understand it. Cognate it.
<https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Temperature-Range-For-Staying-In-A-Bath-Or-Shower.png>
You'll notice they're talking also about showering - where the hot water
from the hot-water heater is mixed with the cold water from the source.
"According to dermatologists, the hottest safe water temperature for a
shower should not go higher than 109 °F (43 oC). Of course, when it comes
to small children who are much more sensitive to heat, they must use lower
temperatures below 100 °F."

Why do you leave out the sentence about bath temperature, Arlen?

Post by Wally J
And that still doesn't excuse the fact that you and Alan Baker have never
heard of the Celsius temperature scale where 116C is hotter than 116F.

Here we go again.

You were the one who didn't understand the difference, Arlen.

Be an adult for once and admit you just made a mistake.

[Alan]

Post by Wally J

I'll hold onto anything you like at a temperature of 116F for as
long as you like.

Third degree burns in just a few minutes at that bath water
temperature.
https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/what-is-a-safe-bath-water-temperature-dermatologist-explain/

Fahrenheit vs Celius, idiot.

Self-proclaimed

Jesus Christ. These iKooks are ignorant. Uneducated. And of really low IQ!
*That's _why_ they're iKooks* after all...
These ignorant uneducated low-IQ iKooks like Jolly Roger & Alan Baker
clearly don't even know the difference between the Celsius and Fahrenheit
temperature scales!
Every single statement from these ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks reeks
of their utter incomprehension of how blazingly hot 116C would be!
Even 116F bath water would give people third-degree burns in minutes.

No. It would NOT.

'The maximum temperature for bathing that the Department of Health
recommends should be no higher than 120 °F (48.8 °C)'

<https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/what-is-a-safe-bath-water-temperature-dermatologist-explain/>

Post by Wally J
These uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks are fantastically _desperate_ to
excuse Apple's incompetence in designing the too-hot-to-hold iPhone 15.

[Dorper]

Post by Wally J
Even 116F bath water would give people third-degree burns in minutes.

It would take 45 minutes to get a 3rd degree burn at 116ºF [1].

[1]
https://antiscald.com/index.php?route=information/information&information_id=1
5

[Wally J]

Post by Dorper

Post by Wally J
Even 116F bath water would give people third-degree burns in minutes.

It would take 45 minutes to get a 3rd degree burn at 116ºF [1].
[1]
https://antiscald.com/index.php?route=information/information&information_id=1
5

The _adult_ question to ask is what will Apple do to _fix_ the iPhone 15?

It's interesting how the iKooks are desperate to change the narrative from
Apple's incompetent design of the iPhone 15 - to bath water temperatures.

What would be more of an _adult_ conversation on these child-like Apple
newsgroups would be a discussion of what Apple can do to fix the problem.

I suspect Apple will _never_ do the decent thing, which is recall the
phones and then supply the damaged parties with a working iPhone 15.

Yet - Apple already played its card of _secretly_ throttling iPhones to
hide the fact that Apple is incompetent at power delivery design.

Instead of coming clean and just admitting they were incompetent in power
delivery design, Apple decided to try to hide the facts - which resulted in
Apply paying over a billion dollars in losing criminal and civil cases.

What will Apple do about the overheating iPhone 15?

I suspect Apple will throttle the CPU to _half_ of what it is now - just
like they did with they tried to hide their poor power delivery design.

What do _you_ think Apple will do to make its harmed customers whole again?

[Dorper]

Post by Wally J
What do _you_ think Apple will do to make its harmed customers whole again?

It could be worse, you could buy an MSI and have it fail after 3 years
because of poorer thermal design than a late 2010s Intel macbook.

[Wally J]

Post by Dorper

Post by Wally J
What do _you_ think Apple will do to make its harmed customers whole again?

It could be worse, you could buy an MSI and have it fail after 3 years
because of poorer thermal design than a late 2010s Intel macbook.

*The topic is will Apple do the decent thing _this_ time, or not?*

Not doing the decent thing last time cost Apple over a billion dollars.
It might have been cheaper had Apple just recalled the affected phones.

Certainly we would be praising Apple - instead of openly despising them.
The fact remains Apple will likely _never_ do the decent thing, will they?

The _adult_ question is whether Apple will continue to blame the consumer
(like Apple did with their poor radio design of the past?)

Or will Apple again blame battery chemistry with an _unsigned_ letter
(post dating release notes so that it _looks_ like they informed us)?

What do you think Apple will do to make iPhone customers whole again?

[RabidPedagog]

Post by Dorper

Post by Wally J
What do _you_ think Apple will do to make its harmed customers whole again?

It could be worse, you could buy an MSI and have it fail after 3 years
because of poorer thermal design than a late 2010s Intel macbook.

I'm curious about what you mean here. I used to own an MSI GT72 and it
seemed to manage heat fairly well.

[candycanearter07]

Post by Wally J
I suspect Apple will _never_ do the decent thing, which is recall the
phones and then supply the damaged parties with a working iPhone 15.

Have they ever?

Post by Wally J
Yet - Apple already played its card of _secretly_ throttling iPhones to
hide the fact that Apple is incompetent at power delivery design.
Instead of coming clean and just admitting they were incompetent in power
delivery design, Apple decided to try to hide the facts - which resulted in
Apply paying over a billion dollars in losing criminal and civil cases.

Too prideful to admit it..

Post by Wally J
What will Apple do about the overheating iPhone 15?

Probably blame the customer

Post by Wally J
I suspect Apple will throttle the CPU to _half_ of what it is now - just
like they did with they tried to hide their poor power delivery design.
What do _you_ think Apple will do to make its harmed customers whole again?

[sms]

Post by Dorper

Post by Wally J
Even 116F bath water would give people third-degree burns in minutes.

It would take 45 minutes to get a 3rd degree burn at 116ºF [1].

Apparently, some people don't understand the difference between °C and
°F. They are only the same at -40°.

However it is true that it would be uncomfortable to hold a device
operating at 116°F for very long and some 15 Pro owners have seen 117°F.

[Jolly Roger]

Post by sms

Post by Dorper

Post by Wally J
Even 116F bath water would give people third-degree burns in
minutes.

It would take 45 minutes to get a 3rd degree burn at 116ºF [1].

Apparently, some people don't understand the difference between °C and
°F.

It's mostly just Arlen and candycanearter07.

[candycanearter07]

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by sms
Apparently, some people don't understand the difference between °C and
°F.

It's mostly just Arlen and candycanearter07.

I know the difference..

[Wally J]

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by sms
Apparently, some people don't understand the difference between °C and
°F.

It's mostly just Arlen and candycanearter07.

I know the difference...

Fact is...
1. The uneducated low-IQ ignorant child-like iKooks brought up Celsius.
2. It's they who don't know the difference - not the actual adults here.
2. Because these religious iKooks are _desperate_ to deflect the subject.

This thread is not about bath water - no matter how _desperately_ the
uneducated low-IQ child-like ignorant religious iKooks want to make it so.

*The subject is what will Apple do to make iPhone 15 customers whole?*
*Specifically, will Apple (finally) do the decent thing this time?*

a. Recall.
b. Fix.
c. Replace.

Doing the decent thing (for once) has got to be cheaper than the billion
dollars it cost Apple last time losing many civil & criminal court cases.

[candycanearter07]

Post by Wally J

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by sms
Apparently, some people don't understand the difference between °C and
°F.

It's mostly just Arlen and candycanearter07.

I know the difference...

Fact is...
1. The uneducated low-IQ ignorant child-like iKooks brought up Celsius.
2. It's they who don't know the difference - not the actual adults here.
2. Because these religious iKooks are _desperate_ to deflect the subject.
This thread is not about bath water - no matter how _desperately_ the
uneducated low-IQ child-like ignorant religious iKooks want to make it so.
*The subject is what will Apple do to make iPhone 15 customers whole?*
*Specifically, will Apple (finally) do the decent thing this time?*
a. Recall.
b. Fix.
c. Replace.
Doing the decent thing (for once) has got to be cheaper than the billion
dollars it cost Apple last time losing many civil & criminal court cases.

It would also mean admitting failure.

[sms]

On 9/27/2023 8:39 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:

<snip>

Post by candycanearter07
I know the difference..

Okay, then just Arlen. At 116°F you're not going to hold the device in
your hand for very long, since it's uncomfortable, but it's not going to
give you even a first degree burn.

[Jolly Roger]

Post by sms
<snip>

Post by candycanearter07
I know the difference..

Okay, then just Arlen. At 116°F you're not going to hold the device in
your hand for very long, since it's uncomfortable, but it's not going
to give you even a first degree burn.

Of course it won't. And as far as I'm aware exact zero people have
reported burns from the iPhone 15.

And Arlen *desperately* wants us all to ignore the plethora of reports
from iPhone 15 users who say they have no heat issues at all.

As always, Arlen is all hype and no substance. You have to ignore
reality for Arlen's lame trolls to work.

[badgolferman]

Post by Jolly Roger
And Arlen *desperately* wants us all to ignore the plethora of reports
from iPhone 15 users who say they have no heat issues at all.

What difference does it make if most people haven’t reported overheating
problems? Does it make those who reported it less important or unworthy? If
you were one of the people with overheating problems on your brand new
iPhone 15 you wouldn’t like it either.

[Wally J]

What difference does it make if most people haven¢t reported overheating
problems? Does it make those who reported it less important or unworthy? If
you were one of the people with overheating problems on your brand new
iPhone 15 you wouldn¢t like it either.

Wouldn't a simple recall (which would be the decent thing to do) be better?

As always happens when Apple fucks up, the ignorant religious iKooks are
_desperate_ to claim that the editors of well-respected magazines such as
9-to-5-Mac are all liars - because _they_ have this overheating problem.

https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/
Widespread iPhone 15 overheating reports, with temperatures as high as 116F

This shows how _desperate_ the iKooks are to claim everyone is a liar
who has _any_ issue with the poorly designed iPhone 15, badgolferman.

The child-like iKooks fears of the truth aside...

What do _you_ think Apple's response will be to their design incompetence?

a. Blame the consumer (you're holding it wrong)
b. Say it's chic (it's courageous to overheat)
c. Secretly throttle the CPU to half the original speeds?

What?

Apple, clearly in the past, has _never_ done the decent thing when their
design incompetence has become an issue - but that last one of blaming the
batteries for backdating relesae notes cost Apple a billion dollars.

Wouldn't a simple recall (which would be the decent thing to do) be better?

[Dorper]

Post by badgolferman

Post by Jolly Roger
And Arlen *desperately* wants us all to ignore the plethora of reports
from iPhone 15 users who say they have no heat issues at all.

What difference does it make if most people haven’t reported overheating
problems? Does it make those who reported it less important or unworthy? If
you were one of the people with overheating problems on your brand new
iPhone 15 you wouldn’t like it either.

This should be (I believe it is) covered by the manufacturer's warranty. If I
ran into this issue I would return the device and request either a
replacement or a refund.

[Wally J]

Post by Dorper

What difference does it make if most people haven¢t reported overheating
problems? Does it make those who reported it less important or unworthy? If
you were one of the people with overheating problems on your brand new
iPhone 15 you wouldn¢t like it either.

This should be (I believe it is) covered by the manufacturer's warranty. If I
ran into this issue I would return the device and request either a
replacement or a refund.

Exactly.

The _adult_ question to ask is what will Apple do to make customers whole?
a. Will Apple blame the customers again (you're holding it wrong).
b. Will Apple secretly throttle the CPU in half again?
c. Will Apple say it's "courageously chic" for a phone to overheat?

What will Apple do?
Will Apple finally do the decent thing for once?

BTW, *the iKooks are claiming the editors of 9to5mac.com are all liars.*

https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/
Widespread iPhone 15 overheating reports, with temperatures as high as 116F

[Jolly Roger]

Post by Dorper

Post by badgolferman

Post by Jolly Roger
And Arlen *desperately* wants us all to ignore the plethora of
reports from iPhone 15 users who say they have no heat issues at
all.

What difference does it make if most people haven’t reported
overheating problems? Does it make those who reported it less
important or unworthy? If you were one of the people with overheating
problems on your brand new iPhone 15 you wouldn’t like it either.

This should be (I believe it is) covered by the manufacturer's
warranty. If I ran into this issue I would return the device and
request either a replacement or a refund.

Maybe, maybe not. "It occasionally gets warm while playing games" isn't
a defect where I come from.

[Dorper]

Post by Jolly Roger
Maybe, maybe not. "It occasionally gets warm while playing games" isn't
a defect where I come from.

And the key part is that the phone will get warm under BENCHMARK load.
(116ºF on Titanium, which won't burn you. Anyone that says that it can burn
you is an idiot. Do they think that if you go outside in 116ºF weather you
will get third degree burns?). I rather blame the fact they are using
Titanium (which has a poorer thermal conductivity than Aluminum). If the
device was overheating then it would shutoff. Despite what some here will
say, thermal throttling happens on every complex digital IC that gets hot.

It becomes a defect if the device just is hot all the time, not only when
charging or running a benchmark.

[Wally J]

Post by Jolly Roger
Maybe, maybe not. "It occasionally gets warm while playing games" isn't
a defect where I come from.

Are you uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks seriously claiming that all these
many well-respected magazine and testing editors are liars, Jolly Roger?

You're _that desperate_ to brazenly deny all truth about Apple products JR?

*You're _that_ fearful_ of the facts about Apple*, JR?

[Dorper]

Post by Wally J

Post by Jolly Roger
Maybe, maybe not. "It occasionally gets warm while playing games" isn't
a defect where I come from.

Are you uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks seriously claiming that all these
many well-respected magazine and testing editors are liars, Jolly Roger?
You're _that desperate_ to brazenly deny all truth about Apple products JR?
*You're _that_ fearful_ of the facts about Apple*, JR?
In his tests, he showed temperatures as high as 46.7C, which is 116F – though this was admittedly during demanding use (benchmarks and games).

(https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/)

What part of DURING DEMANDING USE do you not understand?

[candycanearter07]

Post by Dorper

Post by Wally J
In his tests, he showed temperatures as high as 46.7C, which is 116F – though this was admittedly during demanding use (benchmarks and games).

(https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/)
What part of DURING DEMANDING USE do you not understand?

I don't think that charging your phone should make it that hot.

[Dorper]

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Dorper

Post by Wally J
In his tests, he showed temperatures as high as 46.7C, which is 116F –
though this was admittedly during demanding use (benchmarks and games).

(https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/)
What part of DURING DEMANDING USE do you not understand?

I don't think that charging your phone should make it that hot.

JR seems to have been referring to the benchmark heat issue in that post.

[Bradley]

Post by Dorper

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Dorper

In his tests, he showed temperatures as high as 46.7C, which is 116F �V
though this was admittedly during demanding use (benchmarks and games).

(https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/)
What part of DURING DEMANDING USE do you not understand?

I don't think that charging your phone should make it that hot.

JR seems to have been referring to the benchmark heat issue in that post.

The nine-to-five-mac article was talking about overheating while charging.

[Jolly Roger]

Post by Bradley

Post by Dorper

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Dorper

Post by Wally J
In his tests, he showed temperatures as high as 46.7C, which is
116F �V though this was admittedly during demanding use
(benchmarks and games).

(https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/)
What part of DURING DEMANDING USE do you not understand?

I don't think that charging your phone should make it that hot.

JR seems to have been referring to the benchmark heat issue in that post.

The nine-to-five-mac article was talking about overheating while charging.

There's speculation is that this is a software issue, since owners of
older model iPhones are also reporting increased heat after upgrading to
iOS 17. And that would make a lot more sense than the "iPhone 15 has a
hardware defect" narrative the trolls are trying to push here.

[Dorper]

Post by Bradley

Post by Dorper

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Dorper

In his tests, he showed temperatures as high as 46.7C, which is 116F �V
though this was admittedly during demanding use (benchmarks and games).

(https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/)
What part of DURING DEMANDING USE do you not understand?

I don't think that charging your phone should make it that hot.

JR seems to have been referring to the benchmark heat issue in that post.

The nine-to-five-mac article was talking about overheating while charging.

It talked about both, actually. A two part article.

[Alan]

Post by Dorper

Post by Bradley

Post by Dorper

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Dorper

In his tests, he showed temperatures as high as 46.7C, which is 116F �V
though this was admittedly during demanding use (benchmarks and games).

(https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/)
What part of DURING DEMANDING USE do you not understand?

I don't think that charging your phone should make it that hot.

JR seems to have been referring to the benchmark heat issue in that post.

The nine-to-five-mac article was talking about overheating while charging.

It talked about both, actually. A two part article.

Really?

Post the link to part 2, and show us where it appears in the article
provided.

[Your Name]

Post by Dorper

Post by Bradley

Post by Dorper

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Dorper

In his tests, he showed temperatures as high as 46.7C, which is 116F �V
though this was admittedly during demanding use (benchmarks and games).
(https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/)

What part of DURING DEMANDING USE do you not understand?

I don't think that charging your phone should make it that hot.

JR seems to have been referring to the benchmark heat issue in that post.

The nine-to-five-mac article was talking about overheating while charging.

It talked about both, actually. A two part article.

It's a review-type article, so they will obviously test things to the
limits and beyond, possibly even with early production models. Wait and
see if *normal* users actiually report such issues.

[Jolly Roger]

Post by Dorper

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Dorper

Post by Wally J
In his tests, he showed temperatures as high as 46.7C, which is 116F –
though this was admittedly during demanding use (benchmarks and games).

(https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/)
What part of DURING DEMANDING USE do you not understand?

I don't think that charging your phone should make it that hot.

JR seems to have been referring to the benchmark heat issue in that post.

We're supposed to ignore that, because: troll. 😉

[Wally J]

Post by Dorper

Post by Wally J

Post by Jolly Roger
Maybe, maybe not. "It occasionally gets warm while playing games" isn't
a defect where I come from.

Are you uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks seriously claiming that all these
many well-respected magazine and testing editors are liars, Jolly Roger?
You're _that desperate_ to brazenly deny all truth about Apple products JR?
*You're _that_ fearful_ of the facts about Apple*, JR?
In his tests, he showed temperatures as high as 46.7C, which is 116F ¡V though this was admittedly during demanding use (benchmarks and games).

(https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/)
What part of DURING DEMANDING USE do you not understand?

I fully and completely understand your argument because it has been Apple's
argument from day one that all Apple design flaws are the consumers' fault.

It's teh consumer's fault that Apple advertised this iPhone as a gamers'
phone, and it's the consumers fault that this iPhone failed at that task.

It's _always_ consumers' fault whenever Apple products have design flaws.

[candycanearter07]

Post by Wally J
I fully and completely understand your argument because it has been Apple's
argument from day one that all Apple design flaws are the consumers' fault.
It's teh consumer's fault that Apple advertised this iPhone as a gamers'
phone, and it's the consumers fault that this iPhone failed at that task.
It's _always_ consumers' fault whenever Apple products have design flaws.

They definitely have some pride in being ""perfect"" and deflect their
issues.

[Jolly Roger]

Post by Wally J

Post by Dorper

Post by Wally J

Post by Jolly Roger
Maybe, maybe not. "It occasionally gets warm while playing games"
isn't a defect where I come from.

Are you uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks seriously claiming that
all these many well-respected magazine and testing editors are
liars, Jolly Roger?
You're _that desperate_ to brazenly deny all truth about Apple products JR?
*You're _that_ fearful_ of the facts about Apple*, JR?
In his tests, he showed temperatures as high as 46.7C, which is 116F
¡V though this was admittedly during demanding use (benchmarks and
games).

(https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/)
What part of DURING DEMANDING USE do you not understand?

I fully and completely understand your argument because it has been
Apple's argument from day one that all Apple design flaws are the
consumers' fault.

Notice how weak Wally's lies are - Apple has not yet made an official
statement about this issue.

[RabidPedagog]

Post by Wally J

Post by Jolly Roger
Maybe, maybe not. "It occasionally gets warm while playing games" isn't
a defect where I come from.

Are you uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks seriously claiming that all these
many well-respected magazine and testing editors are liars, Jolly Roger?
You're _that desperate_ to brazenly deny all truth about Apple products JR?
*You're _that_ fearful_ of the facts about Apple*, JR?

I believe it, myself. The obsession with making things thinner was going
to going significant problems for cooling no matter what they did.
Still, my iPhone 13 never gets warm and my MacBook Air M1 never gets
warmer than 33c (I checked).

[sms]

On 9/29/2023 1:44 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:

<snip>

Post by RabidPedagog
I believe it, myself. The obsession with making things thinner was going
to going significant problems for cooling no matter what they did.
Still, my iPhone 13 never gets warm and my MacBook Air M1 never gets
warmer than 33c (I checked).

They'll probably need to follow Samsung's lead and use vapor chamber
cooling.
<https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/what-is-vapor-chamber-cooling-smartphones-tested-explained/>.

For Snapdragon SOCs and Samsung SOCs there is really no choice, they
generate too much heat to use just heat pipes because the 5G modem is
integrated.

For the Bionic chips, Apple was able to avoid the expense and the space
needed by vapor chamber cooling because the modem is a separate device
but the Bionic chips are getting more complex, adding more transistors
and increasing the amount of heat generated.

Eventually, Apple will integrate their own 5G modem into the Bionic and
then they'll likely be forced to use vapor chamber cooling but that
likely won't happen until the iPhone 19 or 20 depending on how the modem
development goes. They'll likely first go with a separate modem chip in
the 17 and 18 before integrating it into the Bionic.

Initially, Kuo believed that the iPhone 14 Pro would use vapor chamber
cooling but it did not. The issue with vapor chamber cooling is that it
could add maybe 0.2-0.3mm to the thickness of the phone. The 15 Pro
actually went down in thickness by 0.1mm. OTOH, Would any user would be
upset about a fraction of a mm increase in thickness?

[Jolly Roger]

Post by sms
<snip>

Post by RabidPedagog
I believe it, myself. The obsession with making things thinner was
going to going significant problems for cooling no matter what they
did. Still, my iPhone 13 never gets warm and my MacBook Air M1 never
gets warmer than 33c (I checked).

They'll probably need to follow Samsung's lead and use vapor chamber
cooling.

You're assuming (without evidence) that this is a hardware issue. I've
seen owners of other models reporting that after upgrading to iOS 17
their devices got hot too. I've also seen widely varying reports of what
devices are doing during the heat generation. Some report it while doing
resource-intensive operations, and other while relatively idle. So it's
a little early to make such assumptions. For all we know this is simply
a software defect that will be fixed in a future update.

[Jolly Roger]

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by sms
<snip>

Post by RabidPedagog
I believe it, myself. The obsession with making things thinner was
going to going significant problems for cooling no matter what they
did. Still, my iPhone 13 never gets warm and my MacBook Air M1
never gets warmer than 33c (I checked).

They'll probably need to follow Samsung's lead and use vapor chamber
cooling.

You're assuming (without evidence) that this is a hardware issue. I've
seen owners of other models reporting that after upgrading to iOS 17
their devices got hot too. I've also seen widely varying reports of
what devices are doing during the heat generation. Some report it
while doing resource-intensive operations, and other while relatively
idle. So it's a little early to make such assumptions. For all we know
this is simply a software defect that will be fixed in a future
update.

"Honestly, I found major heat issues even on 12 Pro after the iOS 17
update. Sometimes my phone starts getting hot without any particular
reason"
<https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/16slezg/comment/k29xuf8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3>

"Yeah iOS 17 might be the cause of this rather than the hardware. My 11
Pro is getting much worse battery life since iOS 16. It’s also getting
hotter."
<https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/16slezg/comment/k2a491i/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3>

"Agreed there is some sort of looping glitch. I setup a 15 pro max for
the so and her phone well is pretty much ok. There was some conversion
from 16 to 17 that has gone off the rails. My 14 pro is tanking bad and
it honestly started after a security update in the 16 family. So I
wonder if they have adjusted something and had unintended consequences"
<https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/16slezg/comment/k2a87ly/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3>

"Same, noticed my 14 Pro Max getting really hot and draining battery
fast when using Instagram for example, which never have been an issue on
that phone for me with iOS 16 Was also the first time I had to use
battery saving mode so for me there is something wrong since upgrading
to iOS 17. edit: maybe it could be this?: iPhone 15 Overheating? It is
Instagram app for me and I have a fix for you. - YouTube"
<>https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/16slezg/comment/k2aqc91/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

""It may not just be an iPhone 15 issue. My 14P gets blazing hot during
Facetime calls. Like actually uncomfortable to touch the screen. And the
battery drains about 5% every 10 minutes of call time. Started during
one of the iOS 17 betas and still hasn't been fixed.
<>https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/16slezg/comment/k2acqyc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

"My 14 pro gets hot AF as well randomly"
<https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/16slezg/comment/k2amor7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3>

...and the list goes on...

I realize you trolls *really* want this product to be defective, but
there are lots of indications this may just be a software glitch. It may
be really convenient for you to focus only on the reports to match your
bias, but the actual adults here don't necessarily have that burning
desire and are far more interested in factual, honest discussion. 😉

[*Hemidactylus*]

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by sms
<snip>

Post by RabidPedagog
I believe it, myself. The obsession with making things thinner was
going to going significant problems for cooling no matter what they
did. Still, my iPhone 13 never gets warm and my MacBook Air M1
never gets warmer than 33c (I checked).

They'll probably need to follow Samsung's lead and use vapor chamber
cooling.

You're assuming (without evidence) that this is a hardware issue. I've
seen owners of other models reporting that after upgrading to iOS 17
their devices got hot too. I've also seen widely varying reports of
what devices are doing during the heat generation. Some report it
while doing resource-intensive operations, and other while relatively
idle. So it's a little early to make such assumptions. For all we know
this is simply a software defect that will be fixed in a future
update.

"Honestly, I found major heat issues even on 12 Pro after the iOS 17
update. Sometimes my phone starts getting hot without any particular
reason"
<https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/16slezg/comment/k29xuf8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3>
"Yeah iOS 17 might be the cause of this rather than the hardware. My 11
Pro is getting much worse battery life since iOS 16. It’s also getting
hotter."
<https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/16slezg/comment/k2a491i/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3>
"Agreed there is some sort of looping glitch. I setup a 15 pro max for
the so and her phone well is pretty much ok. There was some conversion
from 16 to 17 that has gone off the rails. My 14 pro is tanking bad and
it honestly started after a security update in the 16 family. So I
wonder if they have adjusted something and had unintended consequences"
<https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/16slezg/comment/k2a87ly/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3>
"Same, noticed my 14 Pro Max getting really hot and draining battery
fast when using Instagram for example, which never have been an issue on
that phone for me with iOS 16 Was also the first time I had to use
battery saving mode so for me there is something wrong since upgrading
to iOS 17. edit: maybe it could be this?: iPhone 15 Overheating? It is
Instagram app for me and I have a fix for you. - YouTube"
<>https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/16slezg/comment/k2aqc91/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
""It may not just be an iPhone 15 issue. My 14P gets blazing hot during
Facetime calls. Like actually uncomfortable to touch the screen. And the
battery drains about 5% every 10 minutes of call time. Started during
one of the iOS 17 betas and still hasn't been fixed.
<>https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/16slezg/comment/k2acqyc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
"My 14 pro gets hot AF as well randomly"
<https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/16slezg/comment/k2amor7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3>
...and the list goes on...
I realize you trolls *really* want this product to be defective, but
there are lots of indications this may just be a software glitch. It may
be really convenient for you to focus only on the reports to match your
bias, but the actual adults here don't necessarily have that burning
desire and are far more interested in factual, honest discussion. 😉

My iPhone 13 gets hot sometimes when I’m charging her, she’s sunbathing on
my car seat, or wearing that negligee I bought for special occasions.

I guess I’ll skip iPhone 15 since unlucky 13 is doing fine so far.

[*Hemidactylus*]

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by sms
<snip>

Post by RabidPedagog
I believe it, myself. The obsession with making things thinner was
going to going significant problems for cooling no matter what they
did. Still, my iPhone 13 never gets warm and my MacBook Air M1 never
gets warmer than 33c (I checked).

They'll probably need to follow Samsung's lead and use vapor chamber
cooling.

You're assuming (without evidence) that this is a hardware issue. I've
seen owners of other models reporting that after upgrading to iOS 17
their devices got hot too. I've also seen widely varying reports of what
devices are doing during the heat generation. Some report it while doing
resource-intensive operations, and other while relatively idle. So it's
a little early to make such assumptions. For all we know this is simply
a software defect that will be fixed in a future update.

It could be a faux pas that doesn’t affect me. My phone does get quite warm
sometimes. Better luck with iPhone 16. Since I am not affected I guess I
don’t really care. iOS 17 did shit to Do Not Disturb I detailed on another
thread that I had to figure out. Grrr! I survived.

[RabidPedagog]

Post by sms
<snip>

Post by RabidPedagog
I believe it, myself. The obsession with making things thinner was
going to going significant problems for cooling no matter what they
did. Still, my iPhone 13 never gets warm and my MacBook Air M1 never
gets warmer than 33c (I checked).

They'll probably need to follow Samsung's lead and use vapor chamber
cooling.
<https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/what-is-vapor-chamber-cooling-smartphones-tested-explained/>.
For Snapdragon SOCs and Samsung SOCs there is really no choice, they
generate too much heat to use just heat pipes because the 5G modem is
integrated.
For the Bionic chips, Apple was able to avoid the expense and the space
needed by vapor chamber cooling because the modem is a separate device
but the Bionic chips are getting more complex, adding more transistors
and increasing the amount of heat generated.
Eventually, Apple will integrate their own 5G modem into the Bionic and
then they'll likely be forced to use vapor chamber cooling but that
likely won't happen until the iPhone 19 or 20 depending on how the modem
development goes. They'll likely first go with a separate modem chip in
the 17 and 18 before integrating it into the Bionic.
Initially, Kuo believed that the iPhone 14 Pro would use vapor chamber
cooling but it did not. The issue with vapor chamber cooling is that it
could add maybe 0.2-0.3mm to the thickness of the phone. The 15 Pro
actually went down in thickness by 0.1mm. OTOH, Would any user would be
upset about a fraction of a mm increase in thickness?

I love Apple's newer devices but there is no denying that style has a
lot to do with the product they're selling (despite the fact that the
MacBook Air 15 is butt ugly). As such, the extra fraction of a mm in
thickness would likely bother the people who don't know a thing about
the internals, but want their device to be the bee's knees in terms of
looks. It's the price Apple to pay for insisting on attracting both
computer users and idiots who only buy technology to be noticed.

[Alan]

Post by RabidPedagog

Post by sms
<snip>

Post by RabidPedagog
I believe it, myself. The obsession with making things thinner was
going to going significant problems for cooling no matter what they
did. Still, my iPhone 13 never gets warm and my MacBook Air M1 never
gets warmer than 33c (I checked).

They'll probably need to follow Samsung's lead and use vapor chamber
cooling.
<https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/what-is-vapor-chamber-cooling-smartphones-tested-explained/>.
For Snapdragon SOCs and Samsung SOCs there is really no choice, they
generate too much heat to use just heat pipes because the 5G modem is
integrated.
For the Bionic chips, Apple was able to avoid the expense and the
space needed by vapor chamber cooling because the modem is a separate
device but the Bionic chips are getting more complex, adding more
transistors and increasing the amount of heat generated.
Eventually, Apple will integrate their own 5G modem into the Bionic
and then they'll likely be forced to use vapor chamber cooling but
that likely won't happen until the iPhone 19 or 20 depending on how
the modem development goes. They'll likely first go with a separate
modem chip in the 17 and 18 before integrating it into the Bionic.
Initially, Kuo believed that the iPhone 14 Pro would use vapor chamber
cooling but it did not. The issue with vapor chamber cooling is that
it could add maybe 0.2-0.3mm to the thickness of the phone. The 15 Pro
actually went down in thickness by 0.1mm. OTOH, Would any user would
be upset about a fraction of a mm increase in thickness?

I love Apple's newer devices but there is no denying that style has a
lot to do with the product they're selling (despite the fact that the
MacBook Air 15 is butt ugly). As such, the extra fraction of a mm in
thickness would likely bother the people who don't know a thing about
the internals, but want their device to be the bee's knees in terms of
looks. It's the price Apple to pay for insisting on attracting both
computer users and idiots who only buy technology to be noticed.

Style matters in consumer products.

This is not news.

But smaller and lighter are also useful in and of themselves.

[Wolf Greenblatt]

Post by Alan
Style matters in consumer products.
This is not news.
But smaller and lighter are also useful in and of themselves.

Why should style matter at all for a phone?
What should matter is the performance of the phone.
Who cares what the phone looks like? It's just a rectangle.

[Jolly Roger]

Post by Wolf Greenblatt

Post by Alan
Style matters in consumer products.
This is not news.
But smaller and lighter are also useful in and of themselves.

Why should style matter at all for a phone?
What should matter is the performance of the phone.
Who cares what the phone looks like? It's just a rectangle.

Explain why Apple sells more phones than any other phone company then.
You've apparently lost touch with reality.

[candycanearter07]

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by Wolf Greenblatt

Post by Alan
Style matters in consumer products.
This is not news.
But smaller and lighter are also useful in and of themselves.

Why should style matter at all for a phone?
What should matter is the performance of the phone.
Who cares what the phone looks like? It's just a rectangle.

Explain why Apple sells more phones than any other phone company then.
You've apparently lost touch with reality.

Brand.
Also, consumer safety/functionality should usually be prioritized.

[Alan]

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Wolf Greenblatt

Post by Alan
Style matters in consumer products.
This is not news.
But smaller and lighter are also useful in and of themselves.

Why should style matter at all for a phone?
What should matter is the performance of the phone.
Who cares what the phone looks like? It's just a rectangle.

Explain why  Apple sells more phones than any other phone company then.
You've apparently lost touch with reality.

Brand.
Also, consumer safety/functionality should usually be prioritized.

Riiiiiiiight.

"Brand" has kept them the best-selling smartphones in the world for 16
years.

<smirk>

[candycanearter07]

Post by Alan

Post by candycanearter07
Brand.
Also, consumer safety/functionality should usually be prioritized.

Riiiiiiiight.
"Brand" has kept them the best-selling smartphones in the world for 16
years.
<smirk>

Yes.
People see Apple as the modern, futuristic tech company.
That takes a lot of marketing, genuine success, etc.
But once you have that, you can basically ride the loyalty to success.

How many genuine innovations has Apple made recently?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand_loyalty

[Alan]

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Alan

Post by candycanearter07
Brand.
Also, consumer safety/functionality should usually be prioritized.

Riiiiiiiight.
"Brand" has kept them the best-selling smartphones in the world for 16
years.
<smirk>

Yes.
People see Apple as the modern, futuristic tech company.

The might see that once... ...or even twice...

...but they command fantastic loyalty.

Post by candycanearter07
That takes a lot of marketing, genuine success, etc.
But once you have that, you can basically ride the loyalty to success.
How many genuine innovations has Apple made recently?

How is that relevant?

[candycanearter07]

Post by Alan

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Alan

Post by candycanearter07
Brand.
Also, consumer safety/functionality should usually be prioritized.

Riiiiiiiight.
"Brand" has kept them the best-selling smartphones in the world for
16 years.
<smirk>

Yes.
People see Apple as the modern, futuristic tech company.

The might see that once... ...or even twice...
...but they command fantastic loyalty.

What?

Post by Alan

Post by candycanearter07
That takes a lot of marketing, genuine success, etc.
But once you have that, you can basically ride the loyalty to success.
How many genuine innovations has Apple made recently?

How is that relevant?

Pointing out that the only thing selling new iphones is the brand. (and
camera if you really care about that)

[Alan]

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Alan

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Alan

Post by candycanearter07
Brand.
Also, consumer safety/functionality should usually be prioritized.

Riiiiiiiight.
"Brand" has kept them the best-selling smartphones in the world for
16 years.
<smirk>

Yes.
People see Apple as the modern, futuristic tech company.

The might see that once... ...or even twice...
...but they command fantastic loyalty.

What?

"They".

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Alan

Post by candycanearter07
That takes a lot of marketing, genuine success, etc.
But once you have that, you can basically ride the loyalty to success.
How many genuine innovations has Apple made recently?

How is that relevant?

Pointing out that the only thing selling new iphones is the brand. (and
camera if you really care about that)

So trust that they will work well based on previous experience can't
play any role, can it?

[candycanearter07]

Post by Alan
So trust that they will work well based on previous experience can't
play any role, can it?

https://techcrunch.com/2022/01/08/apples-biggest-scandal-of-2022-is-already-happening/
https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/apple-encryption-court-order-news/
https://www.macworld.com/article/668520/from-antennagate-to-touch-disease-the-11-biggest-apple-scandals.html
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/14/tech/apple-labor-department-investigation/index.html
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/pictures-story/1418-biggest-apple-fails.html
https://www.aol.com/finance/apple-facing-mountain-controversies-investors-172000800.html

There's also plenty of evidence it doesn't always work well.

[Dorper]

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Alan

Post by candycanearter07
Brand.
Also, consumer safety/functionality should usually be prioritized.

Riiiiiiiight.
"Brand" has kept them the best-selling smartphones in the world for 16
years.
<smirk>

Yes.
People see Apple as the modern, futuristic tech company.
That takes a lot of marketing, genuine success, etc.
But once you have that, you can basically ride the loyalty to success.
How many genuine innovations has Apple made recently?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand_loyalty

Like them or not:
- The Notch
- Removing the headphone jack
- The reversible charging port
- Marketable wireless earbuds
- Marketable wireless trackers
- AirDrop (like bluetooth file xfer if it didn't suck)
- Functional x86 to ARM64 translation
- On-chip ML acceleration
- Application of the broadband engine concept to laptops

Primarily Apple makes technologies that were previously unmarketable
(Wireless trackers, wireless earbuds, wireless file transfers, Thunderbolt,
binary translation, smart watches, mp3 players, etc.) appealing to the
general public.

[candycanearter07]

Post by Dorper
- The Notch
- Removing the headphone jack
- The reversible charging port
- Marketable wireless earbuds
- Marketable wireless trackers
- AirDrop (like bluetooth file xfer if it didn't suck)
- Functional x86 to ARM64 translation
- On-chip ML acceleration
- Application of the broadband engine concept to laptops
Primarily Apple makes technologies that were previously unmarketable
(Wireless trackers, wireless earbuds, wireless file transfers, Thunderbolt,
binary translation, smart watches, mp3 players, etc.) appealing to the
general public.

To be fair, yes.
The marketing hides that they haven't made anything NEW, just repackaged
an existing thing and made it a selling point.

Apple managed to make their massive USB-C scandal into an "exciting new
model" of devices.

[candycanearter07]

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by Wolf Greenblatt

Post by Alan
Style matters in consumer products.
This is not news.
But smaller and lighter are also useful in and of themselves.

Why should style matter at all for a phone?
What should matter is the performance of the phone.
Who cares what the phone looks like? It's just a rectangle.

Explain why Apple sells more phones than any other phone company then.
You've apparently lost touch with reality.

Brand.
Also, consumer safety/functionality should usually be prioritized.

[Alan]

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Wolf Greenblatt

Post by Alan
Style matters in consumer products.
This is not news.
But smaller and lighter are also useful in and of themselves.

Why should style matter at all for a phone?
What should matter is the performance of the phone.
Who cares what the phone looks like? It's just a rectangle.

Explain why  Apple sells more phones than any other phone company then.
You've apparently lost touch with reality.

Brand.
Also, consumer safety/functionality should usually be prioritized.

It seems most people who by iphones...

...the vast majority in fact...

...find them highly functional and safe.

[Dorper]

Post by Wolf Greenblatt

Post by Alan
Style matters in consumer products.
This is not news.
But smaller and lighter are also useful in and of themselves.

Why should style matter at all for a phone?
What should matter is the performance of the phone.
Who cares what the phone looks like? It's just a rectangle.

It always matters. Aesthetics matter a lot more than performance to the
average customer. If something is heavy, then people won't want it. If it's
sharp, people won't want it. If its ugly, people won't want it. Much
different than something like a server which you will never look at.

[Alan]

Post by Wolf Greenblatt

Post by Alan
Style matters in consumer products.
This is not news.
But smaller and lighter are also useful in and of themselves.

Why should style matter at all for a phone?

Why should style matter for anything?

Because PEOPLE are PEOPLE.

[Your Name]

Post by badgolferman

Post by Jolly Roger
And Arlen *desperately* wants us all to ignore the plethora of reports
from iPhone 15 users who say they have no heat issues at all.

What difference does it make if most people haven’t reported overheating
problems? Does it make those who reported it less important or unworthy? If
you were one of the people with overheating problems on your brand new
iPhone 15 you wouldn’t like it either.

The difference of course is that ...

1. If everyone or even the majority of people are having
heat issues, then it's a design flaw, which seems unlikely
since such a simple thing would be picked up during the
testing (and despite the anti-Apple nutters' claims, Apple
does test their products before public release).

or

2. If only a few or minority of people are reporting heat
issues, then the problem is more likely either with their
particular device or the way they use it / what they use it
for, and everyone else's phone is still fine. (A mobile phone
is not meant to be a super computer!)

Pretty much every electronic device under the sign has heat issues to
some degree when under constant or high demand usage - electrical
current produces heat. Try touching the charger brick of any phone and
it wil be getting hot when charging.

[Wally J]

Post by Your Name
The difference of course is that ...
1. If everyone or even the majority of people are having
heat issues, then it's a design flaw, which seems unlikely
since such a simple thing would be picked up during the
testing (and despite the anti-Apple nutters' claims, Apple
does test their products before public release).

Think about what you just said in light of the fact Apple had extremely
severe power delivery problems which caused Apple over a billion dollars to
settle the resulting criminal and civil lawsuits as a direct result.

*Clearly Apple failed miserably at testing those iPhones... correct?*

Post by Your Name
2. If only a few or minority of people are reporting heat
issues, then the problem is more likely either with their
particular device or the way they use it / what they use it
for, and everyone else's phone is still fine. (A mobile phone
is not meant to be a super computer!)

The people reporting the iPhone 15 design flaws are well respected editors.
https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/
Widespread iPhone 15 overheating reports, with temperatures as high as 116F

Read the article. Their own employees reported those problems, YourName.

I get it that you hate all facts about Apple products, but your main
defense to all facts about Apple products is to deny that facts exist.

That's why you're an iKook, Your Name.
*You _hate_ all facts about Apple products.*

To the point that you simply deny that facts can exist.

Post by Your Name
Pretty much every electronic device under the sign has heat issues to
some degree when under constant or high demand usage - electrical
current produces heat. Try touching the charger brick of any phone and
it wil be getting hot when charging.

For you to claim that abnormal heat is normal when it's on an iPhone is the
height of the hypocrisy that makes you an iKook, Your Name.

Nobody is talking about "normal heat"; they're talking abnormal heat.

*Only an iKook would declare abnormal heat is normal when it's an iPhone.*

[candycanearter07]

Post by Wally J
The people reporting the iPhone 15 design flaws are well respected editors.
https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/
Widespread iPhone 15 overheating reports, with temperatures as high as 116F
Read the article. Their own employees reported those problems, YourName.

I can't find where in the article they mention Apple employee reports.
May have missed it somewhere, though..

Post by Wally J
Nobody is talking about "normal heat"; they're talking abnormal heat.
*Only an iKook would declare abnormal heat is normal when it's an iPhone.*

Yeah, if its bad enough to be reported something is wrong.

[Wally J]

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Wally J
The people reporting the iPhone 15 design flaws are well respected editors.
https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/
Widespread iPhone 15 overheating reports, with temperatures as high as 116F
Read the article. Their own employees reported those problems, YourName.

I can't find where in the article they mention Apple employee reports.
May have missed it somewhere, though..

You jumped to conclusion nobody said so I should have been clearer,
although you would have understood had you read the article, right?
<https://twitter.com/ianzelbo/status/1706188289827381490?s=20>

HINT: The employees were 9to5mac employees, specifically Ian Zelbo.
<https://twitter.com/ianzelbo/status/1706188289827381490?s=20>

"My iPhone 15 Pro Max is almost too hot to touch
while fast charging right now. I thought people were
exaggerating, but no, this isn¡Št great.

Interestingly if I¡Šm holding it, the left side rail and a
little of the back on the left side is what is the hottest '
by far¡K lines up perfectly with the logic board."

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Wally J
Nobody is talking about "normal heat"; they're talking abnormal heat.
*Only an iKook would declare abnormal heat is normal when it's an iPhone.*

Yeah, if its bad enough to be reported something is wrong.

Note that it's "almost too hot to touch", which is pretty bad.

The excuse by the iKooks seems to be it's the consumers' fault that the
iPhone 15 is so hot during normal things like charging that they can barely
touch it.

And, the other iKooks' argument is that all facts about Apple are lies
(simply because the iKooks _hate_ these well-reported design flaws).

In addition, the iKooks claim Apple couldn't possibly have made a mistake
when they tested the iPhone 15 - which astounds me the most because Apple
just paid over a billion dollars to settle the many criminal and civil
cases arising over the fact Apple forgot to test earlier iPhones, right?

[candycanearter07]

Post by Wally J

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Wally J
The people reporting the iPhone 15 design flaws are well respected editors.
https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/
Widespread iPhone 15 overheating reports, with temperatures as high as 116F
Read the article. Their own employees reported those problems, YourName.

I can't find where in the article they mention Apple employee reports.
May have missed it somewhere, though..

You jumped to conclusion nobody said so I should have been clearer,
although you would have understood had you read the article, right?
<https://twitter.com/ianzelbo/status/1706188289827381490?s=20>
HINT: The employees were 9to5mac employees, specifically Ian Zelbo.
<https://twitter.com/ianzelbo/status/1706188289827381490?s=20>
"My iPhone 15 Pro Max is almost too hot to touch
while fast charging right now. I thought people were
exaggerating, but no, this isn’t great.
Interestingly if I’m holding it, the left side rail and a
little of the back on the left side is what is the hottest '
by far… lines up perfectly with the logic board."

Ohh oops. Sorry.

Post by Wally J

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Wally J
Nobody is talking about "normal heat"; they're talking abnormal heat.
*Only an iKook would declare abnormal heat is normal when it's an iPhone.*

Yeah, if its bad enough to be reported something is wrong.

Note that it's "almost too hot to touch", which is pretty bad.
The excuse by the iKooks seems to be it's the consumers' fault that the
iPhone 15 is so hot during normal things like charging that they can barely
touch it.
And, the other iKooks' argument is that all facts about Apple are lies
(simply because the iKooks _hate_ these well-reported design flaws).
In addition, the iKooks claim Apple couldn't possibly have made a mistake
when they tested the iPhone 15 - which astounds me the most because Apple
just paid over a billion dollars to settle the many criminal and civil
cases arising over the fact Apple forgot to test earlier iPhones, right?

They don't learn :(

[Wally J]

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Wally J
In addition, the iKooks claim Apple couldn't possibly have made a mistake
when they tested the iPhone 15 - which astounds me the most because Apple
just paid over a billion dollars to settle the many criminal and civil
cases arising over the fact Apple forgot to test earlier iPhones, right?

They don't learn :(

You do know Apple has a long sordid history of REPEATING the same bugs,
right? Yup. They miss a bug. They are told about it by others.
They fix it. Then, two years later they put the bug back.

That's how atrocious Apple's testing is.
They can't learn.

Ask Craig Federighi about it. He's their VP of software engineering.

He is constantly sending out internal emails saying that QA needs to fix
itself because they keep allowing the _same_ bugs to get through that
shouldn't.

It's why Apple _repeats_ the same bugs - release after release.
After release.

Apple can't learn.
Not when they're making money they can't.

Even Apple engineers complain about Apple's atrocious software quality.
All of this has been covered on this newsgroup in gory details.

But the iKooks are oblivious to every fact about Apple products.

It's no longer surprising that iKooks think Apple sufficiently tests their
designs when the proof is so clear that Apple has never sufficiently tested
their designs.

Otherwise, there wouldn't be so many unpatchable holes in the secure
enclave, and there wouldn't be so many unpatchable vulnerabilities in their
chips and they wouldn't have given up on GPU design (and soon they will
give up on 5G modem design simply because Apple is incompetent at chip
design), and certainly Apple had never sufficiently tested the iPhones that
had to be secretly throttled to half their CPU speeds in less than a year.

How can these ignorant uneducated iKooks say Apple has _ever_ sufficiently
tested their designs when every single items Apple sells is defective?

You think Apple tested those flimsy Lightning cords?
Sure. They're tested so that they break within a year.

Apple makes sure of that.
Same with the anemic batteries.

Apple has _never_ sufficiently tested any product that they produce.
You - the consumer. You're the tester. Not Apple.

Just look at how atrocious Apple's QA is in that they release the same
bugs, in subsequent releases - _after_ fixing them the first time!!!!!

That's how atrocious Apple's testing is.
It doesn't exist.

It's no longer shocking the iKooks are oblivious to these known facts.

[candycanearter07]

Post by Wally J
Apple has _never_ sufficiently tested any product that they produce.
You - the consumer. You're the tester. Not Apple.
Just look at how atrocious Apple's QA is in that they release the same
bugs, in subsequent releases - _after_ fixing them the first time!!!!!
That's how atrocious Apple's testing is.
It doesn't exist.
It's no longer shocking the iKooks are oblivious to these known facts.

Probably saves a ton of money to just push stuff out fast and use
customers for unpaid labor. Until the lawsuits

[Your Name]

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Wally J
Apple has _never_ sufficiently tested any product that they produce.
You - the consumer. You're the tester. Not Apple.
Just look at how atrocious Apple's QA is in that they release the same
bugs, in subsequent releases - _after_ fixing them the first time!!!!!
That's how atrocious Apple's testing is.
It doesn't exist.
It's no longer shocking the iKooks are oblivious to these known facts.

Probably saves a ton of money to just push stuff out fast and use
customers for unpaid labor. Until the lawsuits

Americans are weird. They sue anybody just because they can, even when
there's nothing actually wrong with the product. That's especially true
of big companies like Apple because some brainless greedy scumbag will
always want to try and get rich (or think they can) that way.

[candycanearter07]

Post by Your Name

Post by badgolferman

Post by Jolly Roger
And Arlen *desperately* wants us all to ignore the plethora of reports
from iPhone 15 users who say they have no heat issues at all.

What difference does it make if most people haven’t reported overheating
problems? Does it make those who reported it less important or unworthy? If
you were one of the people with overheating problems on your brand new
iPhone 15 you wouldn’t like it either.

The difference of course is that ...
  1.  If everyone or even the majority of people are having
      heat issues, then it's a design flaw, which seems unlikely
      since such a simple thing would be picked up during the
      testing (and despite the anti-Apple nutters' claims, Apple
      does test their products before public release).

If it's the majority, then Apple should probably do something about
fixing it/mitigation/compensation.

Post by Your Name
or
  2.  If only a few or minority of people are reporting heat
      issues, then the problem is more likely either with their
      particular device or the way they use it / what they use it
      for, and everyone else's phone is still fine. (A mobile phone
      is not meant to be a super computer!)

How many times have you seen someones phone get up to 110F? If it's so
prevalent that it's being reported on, then its not just the people
trying to run niche complex tasks.

Post by Your Name
Pretty much every electronic device under the sign has heat issues to
some degree when under constant or high demand usage - electrical
current produces heat. Try touching the charger brick of any phone and
it wil be getting hot when charging.

Not 110F hot. And you don't generally hold your power brick or put it in
your pocket.

[Jolly Roger]

Post by badgolferman

Post by Jolly Roger
And Arlen *desperately* wants us all to ignore the plethora of
reports from iPhone 15 users who say they have no heat issues at all.

What difference does it make if most people haven’t reported
overheating problems?

A lot since it means it's not a widespread problem.

Post by badgolferman
Does it make those who reported it less important or unworthy?

The only person trying to make that disingenuous claim is *you*.

Post by badgolferman
If you were one of the people with overheating problems on your brand
new iPhone 15 you wouldn’t like it either.

Unless it's shutting down with a message stating it needs to cool down
before you can use it, it ain't overheating. And if it's just getting
warm while you do something resource-intensive like playing a game, then
unless you have zero common sense, you're just going to take it in
stride like a normal human being.

[Wally J]

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by badgolferman
Does it make those who reported it less important or unworthy?

The only person trying to make that disingenuous claim is *you*.

Notice the ignorant low-IQ uneducated fear-filled iKooks have just called
the editors of 9to5mac.com liars - since they documented the overheating.

https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/
Widespread iPhone 15 overheating reports, with temperatures as high as 116F

What's evident is the low-IQ uneducated ignorant iKooks are deathly afraid
of any facts about Apple products - so they simply deny that facts exist.

Classic.

[Jolly Roger]

Post by Wally J

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by badgolferman
Does it make those who reported it less important or unworthy?

The only person trying to make that disingenuous claim is *you*.

Notice the ignorant low-IQ uneducated fear-filled iKooks have just
called the editors of 9to5mac.com liars

Notice how the dishonest Wally (Arlen) troll claims I said something I
never said. Like badgolferman and his other brain-dead followers, he
isn't interested in actual adult conversations which is why he
constantly lies about and misrepresents what other people say all while
slinging schoolyard insults. Arlen, like too many others, is a weak
troll who grew old without growing up.

Post by Wally J
low-IQ
uneducated
ignorant
Classic.

Boring broken record one-trick-pony Arlen, everyone.

[Alan]

Post by Wally J

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by badgolferman
Does it make those who reported it less important or unworthy?

The only person trying to make that disingenuous claim is *you*.

Notice the ignorant low-IQ uneducated fear-filled iKooks have just called
the editors of 9to5mac.com liars - since they documented the overheating.

Sorry, but the one lying is YOU, Arlen.

[Alan]

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by sms
Apparently, some people don't understand the difference between °C and
°F.

It's mostly just Arlen and candycanearter07.

I know the difference..

Arlen certainly didn't.

[Frankie]

Post by sms
However it is true that it would be uncomfortable to hold a device
operating at 116F for very long and some 15 Pro owners have seen 117F.

Do you think those temperatures will negatively affect the battery?

[Jolly Roger]

Post by Frankie

Post by sms
However it is true that it would be uncomfortable to hold a device
operating at 116F for very long and some 15 Pro owners have seen 117F.

Do you think those temperatures will negatively affect the battery?

Do you think all (or even most) iPhone 15s exhibit these temperatures on
a regular basis? 😉

[Wally J]

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by Frankie
Do you think those temperatures will negatively affect the battery?

Do you think all (or even most) iPhone 15s exhibit these temperatures on
a regular basis?

The fact iKooks are _desperate_ to claim every well-respected editor is a
liar shows you how _desperate_ and _afraid_ these iKooks are of facts.

A better question is... will Apple (finally) do the decent thing this time?
Wouldn't a simple recall (which would be the decent thing to do) be better?

As always happens when Apple fucks up, the ignorant religious iKooks are
_desperate_ to claim that the editors of well-respected magazines such as
9-to-5-Mac are all liars - because _they_ have this overheating problem.

https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/
Widespread iPhone 15 overheating reports, with temperatures as high as 116F

This shows how _desperate_ the iKooks are to claim everyone is a liar
who has _any_ issue with the poorly designed iPhone 15, Jolly Roger.

You iKooks _hate_ all truths about Apple (even when they come from your own
Apple-centric magazine editors - whom you claim are all liars, of course).

[Alan]

Post by Wally J

I'll hold onto anything you like at a temperature of 116F for as long as
you like.

Third degree burns in just a few minutes at that bath water temperature.
https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/what-is-a-safe-bath-water-temperature-dermatologist-explain/

It's never Apple's fault - it's always the consumer's fault with Apple.
*You're holding it wrong.*

It's your fault if you actually believe that 116°F is enough to cause
third-degree burns.

[RabidPedagog]

Post by Wally J

I'll hold onto anything you like at a temperature of 116F for as long as
you like.

Third degree burns in just a few minutes at that bath water temperature.
https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/what-is-a-safe-bath-water-temperature-dermatologist-explain/

It's never Apple's fault - it's always the consumer's fault with Apple.
*You're holding it wrong.*

This would be funny if it weren't actually true. You'd be surprised what
some of Apple's harshest critics are mad at the company for. Many of
their complaints stem from the consequences of their own idiocy.