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EIGHTEEN new zero-day vulnerabilities found in Samsung Exynos chipsets
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Andy Burnelli
2023-03-26 01:43:21 UTC
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You'll note I don't post to the Android newsgroups - ever.
For the permanent Usenet record, below is an _adult_ observation...


iKooks NOT being on Windows/Linux/Android ngs is _why_ they're cordial.

*The _only_ reason for discord on Apple newsgroups is the religious iKooks.*
*(iKooks viciously attack any possible slight against their God*

Saying a fact, even when well known, against Apple, initiates their ire.
It's like saying "Mohammad is NOT a God" to wacko Islamic fundamentalists.

Just watch. This newsgroup would be normal if it weren't for iKooks.
--
Mohammad misspelled on purpose so as not to initiate religious ire.
Andy Burnelli
2023-03-28 16:39:13 UTC
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Pretty sure you can tell who is actually a troll. Just look at who
provides referenced facts and who just engages in personal attacks.
*you* constantly engage in personal attacks (including right now), plus
whatever cites you provide are easily refuted with referenced facts
from reputable sources.
you also make absurd claims that are obviously wrong, knowing full well
what the responses will be.
by your own metric, you are a troll.
*The irony meter is about to blow...*

The irony meter is on full tilt screamingly pegged whenever Jolly Roger or
nospam say everyone else denies facts and everyone else acts like a child.

Speaking of refuting facts, how many times has nospam deliberately changed
a factual quote simply because he had no _adult_ response to that fact,
and then, after changing the quote, nospam posted his childish 'ftfy' crap?

Thousands upon thousands of times, right?

*How many times has nospam outright denied facts everyone else knows?*
Thousands of times, right?

How many times has nospam said a feature that is on all other phones is
"not wanted" and "not needed" simply because Apple couldn't figure out how
to implement it (or if Apple decided not to provide that feature at all)?

Thousands, right?

*How many times has nospam or Jolly Roger insulted a poster* simply for
posting a fact about Apple products they simply didn't like?

Thousands right?

*The irony meter is about to blow...*
RonTheGuy
2023-03-28 17:00:51 UTC
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Post by Andy Burnelli
Pretty sure you can tell who is actually a troll. Just look at who
provides referenced facts and who just engages in personal attacks.
*you* constantly engage in personal attacks (including right now), plus
whatever cites you provide are easily refuted with referenced facts
from reputable sources.
you also make absurd claims that are obviously wrong, knowing full well
what the responses will be.
by your own metric, you are a troll.
*The irony meter is about to blow...*
The irony meter is on full tilt screamingly pegged whenever Jolly Roger or
nospam say everyone else denies facts and everyone else acts like a child.
Speaking of refuting facts, how many times has nospam deliberately changed
a factual quote simply because he had no _adult_ response to that fact,
and then, after changing the quote, nospam posted his childish 'ftfy' crap?
Thousands upon thousands of times, right?
*How many times has nospam outright denied facts everyone else knows?*
Thousands of times, right?
How many times has nospam said a feature that is on all other phones is
"not wanted" and "not needed" simply because Apple couldn't figure out how
to implement it (or if Apple decided not to provide that feature at all)?
Thousands, right?
*How many times has nospam or Jolly Roger insulted a poster* simply for
posting a fact about Apple products they simply didn't like?
Thousands right?
*The irony meter is about to blow...*
When the trolls say everyone else is a troll, the irony meter has already
blown up as it's an alternate reality only nospam and Jolly Roger live in.

Ron, the humblest guy in town.
Andy Burnelli
2023-03-28 18:27:29 UTC
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This is a drastic change from ten years ago. But it's good to see that
Apple appears to be making a strong effort to improve security.
Steve us correct that Apple has almost twice the number of recent bugs
and, interestingly so, the iKooks like Jolly Roger are oblivious of it.

Unlike normal people, the iKooks _never_ read anything in the news.
They only know the MARKETING bullshit that Apple feeds them daily.

Steve is correct Android is far superior to iOS in security nowadays.
But, as Steve noted, it wasn't always that Android was more secure.

Steve has a point that Android has made drastic improvements over the
years, whereas iOS is stuck in the stone age with its monolithic iOS
updates.

Android updates seamlessly, almost every day, and certainly weekly and
definitely monthly (depending on the type of update needed).

Almost all of it using the Google Play Update mechanism that doesn't even
need the carriers or manufacturers to be involved.

Just the Internet.

What I find revealing is how the iKooks are all unaware of these drastic
improvements in Android security - because they never read any news.

The iKooks only get their "news" from Apple marketing brochures.
They still think Android is updated only yearly, for example.

Meanwhile, as Steve noted, Andriod is updated almost daily nowadays.
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(Only iOS uses the stone age primitive monolithic update mechanism.)
Andy Burnelli
2023-03-29 07:51:31 UTC
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ecurity researchers agree that high-end Android devices (including
Samsung devices with Knox) are now the most secure consumer mobile
devices.
logical fallacy, and false.
FACT:
No smartphone has more zero-day holes (for years!), than the iPhone.

ASSESSMENT:
*To own an iPhone is to _already_ be hacked*

It's a fact, nospam, that Android is _far_ more secure than iOS, where all
you know is the pure marketing bullshit that Apple feeds you to believe.

The reality is that security is far too complicated for you to comprehend,
as there are actually some things where iOS is more secure, but far more
where Android is far more secure - where it's not a 1:1 correspondence.

But you know none of that because all you know is what Apple feeds you in
the glossy marketing brochures which only tout what Apple is good at, but
which never cover what Apple is terrible at (e.g., iPhone zero day holes).
recall the san bernardino shooter case, where apple was threatened with
a lawsuit to make it easier.
It's no longer shocking how you fall for every marketing trick in the book.
more recently, look at the android baseband hack, where all anyone
needs is the user's phone number. that's *it*. the user does not need
to open an email, tap a link or install a nefarious app. that's
*incredibly* bad.
It's a fact, whether you understand it or not, nospam, that the iPhone has
the absolute worst track record on zero-day bugs for years running, nospam.

*To own an iPhone is to already be hacked*

There are reasons for this, most of which is Apple never finds their
zero-day bugs, but all of the reasons are well beyond your comprehension.
those who actually understand how things work know that android is
overall *less* secure, although it has caught up to ios in some ways.
*You fall for every marketing trick in the book nospam.*

I repeat there is no phone with more zero-day holes than the iPhone.
You believe all Apple's marketing bullshit - but you can't deny that fact.

*To own an iPhone is to _already_ be hacked*, nospam.

All the marketing bullshit in the world doesn't change this one fact:
*There is no smartphone with more zero day holes than the iPhone*

You can deny that fact because you hate that fact.
But you can't deny that fact using facts simply because it is a fact.
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Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to try to explain iPhone lack of 0-day security.
nospam
2023-03-29 12:30:22 UTC
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Post by Andy Burnelli
recall the san bernardino shooter case, where apple was threatened with
a lawsuit to make it easier.
It's no longer shocking how you fall for every marketing trick in the book.
that had absolutely nothing to do with marketing.

rest of your ignorant drivel snipped.
Andy Burnelli
2023-03-29 17:52:51 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by Andy Burnelli
recall the san bernardino shooter case, where apple was threatened with
a lawsuit to make it easier.
It's no longer shocking how you fall for every marketing trick in the book.
that had absolutely nothing to do with marketing.
Hi nospam,

For the permanent record, and for the purpose of responding to your lack of
knowledge, I will treat you as if you're an adult in this message, nospam.

Actually it does. Very much so. On both sides, in fact. You're no fan of
James B. Comey (and neither am I, because of his political shenanigans).

I doubt you own the cognitive capacity to understand the details, so I will
summarize for your low-IQ brain that Comey had _hundreds_ of iPhones to
choose from, all of which had data far more important than _that_ iPhone.

There was something "special" about _that_ iPhone, nospam, and you don't
even own the cognition to realize what it was, bearing in mind it was a
_government_ owned iPhone so they _knew_ there would be almost nothing on
it that they didn't _already_ have since they had their own recent backups.

No. You won't be able to comprehend what intelligent people can, nospam.

Comey carefully chose _that_ iPhone because it had special shock value.
He chose it _specifically_ because he wanted to garner _emotions_ nospam.

If you think Comey isn't an intelligent & shrewd politician, then you'd be
wrong, nospam, because he played a game and Apple was happy to play along.

Since you iKooks never read the news, you're likely completely blissfully
unaware that they eventually did get a full dump off that phone (courtesy
of the zero-day holes which I already explained to you all iPhones have).

And there was nothing of import (which, of course, they knew ahead of time
was going to be the case since they had plenty of the phone's backups).

Because you iKooks own the brain of Alan Browne, Snit, Alan Baker, Jolly
Roger, Lewis, et al., you can't even fathom why Apple played along, nospam.

Apple was _also_ quite happy to "make a stink" about the phone, even as
Apple helped them as much as Apple could, but behind the scenes.

To their credit, Apple didn't implement a back door just for them, nospam,
but _nobody_ would have done that (not even Samsung or Huawei, who, heh
heh, point being taken when I mention Huawei that they likely already have
given it to China - but that's also too complex for your low IQ brain).

In summary, I doubt you own the adult cognitive skills to comprehend that
Comey was playing political games and Apple was happy to play along.

It suited both of them in terms of the politics & marketing they wished to
publicly achieve (even though both of them worked closely together behind
the scenes).

In the end, it doesn't change the fact that the security between iPhones
and Android phones is COMPLETLY DIFFERENT in that the iPhone is incredibly
insecure in so many ways it's hard to count, even as Android is also as
insecure in some of those many way.

One of which though, is the iPhone has the most zero-day holes (for years
on end) of any smartphone on this planet - which is a damning fact, nospam.

*To own an iPhone is to _already_ be hacked!*
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to faithfully explain to these incredibly dense
iKooks what anyone with normal adult cognition already long ago knew.
nospam
2023-03-29 18:44:40 UTC
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Post by Andy Burnelli
Post by nospam
Post by Andy Burnelli
recall the san bernardino shooter case, where apple was threatened with
a lawsuit to make it easier.
It's no longer shocking how you fall for every marketing trick in the book.
that had absolutely nothing to do with marketing.
Actually it does. Very much so.
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Post by Andy Burnelli
Comey carefully chose _that_ iPhone
comey worked for apple? in the marketing department?

did the fbi not pay him enough that he had to take on a second job?

or maybe you're full of shit.

one of those has merit. the other is ludicrous delusional idiocy.
Andy Burnelli
2023-03-29 19:43:01 UTC
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Post by nospam
comey worked for apple? in the marketing department?
Jesus Christ, nospam, you are an imbecile.

That's not even an ad hominem attack. It's just a fact based on your
imaginary belief that James Comey worked for Apple (which nobody said).
Post by nospam
did the fbi not pay him enough that he had to take on a second job?
As I had surmised, nospam, none of you iKooks owns the adult cognition to
comprehend Comey was playing political games and Apple was happy to play
along as Apple was playing marketing games about imaginary iPhone security.
Post by nospam
or maybe you're full of shit.
You don't own the adult cognitive skills to comprehend that the situation
suited both Comey & Apple in terms of the politics & marketing they wished
to publicly achieve (even though both of them worked closely together
behind the scenes to get everything off the iPhone - which they did).
Post by nospam
one of those has merit.
In the end, the fact you iKooks never read the news doesn't change the fact
that the security between iPhones and Android phones is COMPLETLY DIFFERENT
in that *the iPhone is incredibly insecure* in so many ways it's hard to
count them, even as Android is also as insecure in some of those many way.
Post by nospam
the other is ludicrous delusional idiocy.
The fact remains a fact, whether you can comprehend that fact nor not...

FACT:
*The iPhone has the most zero-day holes of any smartphone on the planet*

Given you have never read the news, when you tout the imaginary security of
the iPhone, you always must completely ignore that damning fact, nospam.

ASSESSMENT:
*To own an iPhone is to _already_ be hacked!*
nospam
2023-03-29 19:48:34 UTC
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Post by Andy Burnelli
That's not even an ad hominem attack.
nobody said it was.
Post by Andy Burnelli
It's just a fact based on your
imaginary belief that James Comey worked for Apple (which nobody said).
you said the lawsuit was apple marketing and then said comey chose a
particular iphone for the lawsuit, which would have to be part of their
marketing effort.

your words.
Andy Burnelli
2023-03-29 20:37:09 UTC
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Post by nospam
you said the lawsuit was apple marketing and then said comey chose a
particular iphone for the lawsuit, which would have to be part of their
marketing effort.
I tried to treat you as if you own the cognitive skills of a normal adult.

I wonder if you realize the reason you're an iKook is because you do not.

This is the epitome of an iKook, nospam... it's who you are...
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Nic
2023-03-31 14:58:13 UTC
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Post by Andy Burnelli
Post by nospam
you said the lawsuit was apple marketing and then said comey chose a
particular iphone for the lawsuit, which would have to be part of their
marketing effort.
I tried to treat you as if you own the cognitive skills of a normal adult.
I wonder if you realize the reason you're an iKook is because you do not.
This is the epitome of an iKook, nospam... it's who you are...
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nospam doesn't understand politics or marketing because he's proselytizing
like they used to do at airports telling us there is only one god, his god.
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