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iPhone FAQ rev 3.00

Thank you for the incredible response to the rev 2.00 iPhone FAQ. I
have read all the responses, and I have made many additions and
corrections based on the feedback in these newsgroups, and from the e-
mails I’ve received.

This FAQ addresses the frequently asked questions regarding the Apple
iPhone. If you have any suggestions for new questions and answers,
suggestions on how to make existing answers clearer, or corrections,
please post the corrections to the newsgroup (I read all responses) or
send them to ***@gmail.com (replace DOT with a
period).

This FAQ will be updated and re-posted periodically to
alt.cellular.attws, alt.cellular.t-mobile, alt.cellular.verizon,
alt.cellular.sprintpcs, comp.sys.mac.advocacy,
misc.phone.mobile.iphone, and other relevant groups.


Question List
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-Where can I buy an iPhone in the U.S.?

-When is the third generation iPhone going to be available?

-What will the third generation iPhone have that the second generation
iPhone lacks?

-How do I change the battery on my iPhone?

-How do I enable voice dialing on my iPhone?

-Why can't I stream music from my iPhone to a Bluetooth stereo
headset?

-What is “unlocking?”

-How do I unlock my iPhone?

-What is “Jail Breaking?”

-Can I use my iPhone with a prepaid plan?

-Can I purchase or obtain applications for the iPhone from places
other than the Apple applications store?

-What kinds of applications are available on a jail-broken iPhone that
are not available from the Apple apps store?

-Can I go to prison if I get caught “Jail-Breaking” my iPhone?

-How do I connect my notebook computer to the iPhone to use my
carrier's 3G network over Bluetooth or USB or WiFi?

-My friend’s HTC Touch allows him to connect to the internet from his
laptop using Bluetooth for the connection between the laptop and the
phone. Can I do the same thing on my iPhone?

-When I insert a prepaid SIM card when travelling in foreign countries
it doesn't work. What am I doing wrong?

-Can I activate my iPhone on T-Mobile in the U.S.?

-Is there any place that I can purchase an unlocked, carrier-
independent iPhone without having to resort to “Jail-Breaking”?

-Can I install Skype or other VOIP application on my iPhone so I can
make calls over Wi-Fi in areas with no GSM coverage, or just to save
my peak minutes?

-I can’t find a memory card slot on the iPhone. How can I transfer
photos from my digital camera to my iPhone?

-I want to use a Bluetooth keyboard with my iPhone but it doesn’t seem
to connect. What am I doing wrong?

-The camera on my iPhone doesn’t have sufficient wide-angle range. Is
there any after-market device to fix this?

-The camera on my iPhone doesn’t have sufficient telephoto range. Is
there any after-market device to fix this?

-The camera on my iPhone does not have sufficient resolution. Is there
any after-market device to fix this?

-Can I run tasks in the background, such as Internet Radio?

-How do I enable Flash support in the iPhone’s browser?

-I frequently take long international airline flights and the iPhone
battery goes flat during the flight. How can I work around this?

-I want to use my iPhone for work related stuff, but my IT department
doesn’t support it. How can I convince them to add support to the
iPhone for enterprise applications?

-The internal memory on the iPhone is insufficient for storing the
amount of music and videos I would like. I don’t want to carry around
a laptop, but an external hard drive would be okay. Is there any after-
market USB add-on drive to expand the storage to something like the
120GB on the iPod Classic?

-I often have no signal on my iPhone, why is this?

-I would like an iPhone just to use the WiFi and regular phone, but I
don’t want to pay for a data plan. Is this possible?

-I would like to create and edit documents that are compatible with
Microsoft Office. I see that Windows Mobile devices can do this, but
what about the iPhone.

-Which word processor does the iPhone support?

-Which spreadsheet does the iPhone support?

-What is the closest equivalent to Powerpoint for the iPhone?

-Is there a database program for the iPhone?

-Can I create PDFs on the iPhone?

-Can I hook USB devices to the iPhone?

-Can I print pictures taken with the iPhone camera at digital printing
kiosks?

-Can I hook the iPhone directly to my wired Ethernet router?

-Is their a way to listen to the radio on the iPhone?

-I’m living in Japan and I want to receive live TV on my iPhone the
way other Japanese smart phones can do. How do I do this?

-Is there a way to record video on the iPhone?

-Will my iPhone work in Japan?

-Is there an iPhone for Sprint or Verizon or T-Mobile?

-Where are the best places to buy iPhone accessories?

-How do I connect a VGA or DVI monitor or projector to the iPhone?

-I can’t seem to get video-out working except when playing MPEG
movies, what am I doing wrong?

-Why does Apple make highly desirable, and seemingly easy to implement
features, so difficult?

-What’s the bottom line?


Answers
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Q. Where can I buy an iPhone in the U.S.?

A. Apple stores, AT&T stores, Wal-Mart, and Best Buy.


Q. When is the third generation iPhone going to be available?

A. Apple has not announced a release date. However all indications are
that it will be released in summer 2009. The new OS version for the
iPhone has several features that are not compatible with the existing
iPhone hardware, so it’s clear that this new OS is designed for the
next generation model. AT&T is trying to clear out its existing
inventory of iPhones, so the new model is believed to be coming very
soon.


Q. What will the third generation iPhone have that the second
generation iPhone lacks?

A. Apple has not announced the specifications of the third generation
iPhone. Speculation on the features is that it will have a much higher
resolution camera (possibly two cameras), video recording, 802.11n
support, better speaker quality, greater storage capacity, voice-
dialing, and earphones like on the new Shuffle. Definitely features
worth waiting for.


Q. How do I change the battery on my iPhone?

A. You must send the phone back to Apple's service depot for battery
replacement. The cost is $86.95. See "http:// tinyurl.com/
iphonebatteryreplacement”. If you don’t mind voiding your warranty (or
your iPhone is already out of warranty), and you are good working with
small electronics, a number of companies sell replacement batteries
for both the 2G and 3G iPhones at far lower prices. In Google shopping
search for “iPhone 3G Battery Replacement.“ The iPhone is easy to
open, i.e. the 3G model has two Phillips 00 screws on the bottom that
hold the phone together. Note that on the original iPhone the battery
is soldered in, so you’ll need to unsolder the original battery and
solder in the new one. It’s not all that hard to do, but if you’ve
never soldered before you might want to practice on some wires first.
Be careful about using after-market batteries of unknown orgin as
lithium based batteries can be dangerous.


Q. How do I enable voice dialing on my iPhone?

A. The current iPhone model does not support voice dialing. There are
some after-market voice dialing applications for the iPhone available
in the Apps store, but because the iPhone lacks a button to press for
voice dialing, you still have to use the screen to start the
application which makes the feature somewhat lame. You can also
purchase a Bluetooth device such as the Parrot Minikit Slim Portable
Bluetooth Car Kit for iPhone 3G, iPhone, which will transfer the
phonebook from the iPhone to itself and do voice dialing
externally.The next generation iPhone will likely support voice
dialing natively.


Q. Why can't I stream music from my iPhone to a Bluetooth stereo
headset?

A. Apple did not include the necessary Bluetooth profile, called
Advanced Audio Distribution Profile (A2DP) in the original OS. This
profile has been added in OS 3.0. Update your iPhone when the new OS
is available and A2DP will work.


Q. What is “unlocking?”

A. Unlocking allows a GSM phone to use SIM cards from any GSM carrier.
Typically a user that travels to another country will want to buy a
local prepaid SIM card for that country because it avoids the very
high international roaming charges.


Q. How do I unlock my iPhone?

A. AT&T will not unlock iPhones, even though they will unlock their
other phones. If you want to unlock your own iPhone, you first must
jail-break it (see below), then download and execute unlocking
software. The alternative is to buy an iPhone in Hong Kong as these
iPhones are unlocked (but not jail-broken).

Note that you can have an unlocked phone that is not jail-broken
because Apple does sell unlocked iPhones in some countries. However
for all intents and purposes, most iPhone owners that have unlocked
phones, first jail-break their phone.


Q. What is “Jail Breaking?”

A. Jail-breaking enables you to download applications from sources
other than the Apple applications store. They call it jail-breaking
because you are “breaking out” of the jail that Apple has created for
iPhone owners. There are hundreds of extremely useful applications
that Apple will not allow into its applications store for various
reasons. Jail-breaking also typically includes unlocking the phone so
that SIM cards from other carriers can be used. Note that there are
non-Jail-Broken iPhones that are able to use SIM cards from other
carriers; unlocked and jail-broken are not the same thing. There are
downsides to jail-breaking because you may no longer be able to take
advantage of OS upgrades. See http://www.quickpwn.com/ for more
details. Be careful.


Q. Can I use an iPhone with a prepaid wireless plan?

A. Yes, you can use AT&T’s prepaid service called GoPhone. But to
actually buy an iPhone you have to sign up for a postpaid plan (there
used to be a loophole to get around this but not any more) or obtain
an iPhone some other way. A big downside to prepaid with the iPhone in
the U.S. is the inability to use the data services of T-Mobile on the
carrier’s prepaid plans (on any phone, not just the iPhone).

AT&T used to let you buy unlimited data for $20/month for both “Pay As
You Go” and “Pick Your Plan” subscribers but apparently it was cutting
into sales of postpaid plans and phones so they dropped it.

If you use your iPhone on AT&T’s GoPhone service the rates for data
are 20¢-$10/MB. Yep, you got that right, $10/MB for data unless you
buy a package ($5 for 1MB (versus 1¢/KB=$10/MB) or 100MB for $20).

Other prepaid services have better data rates but won’t work with the
iPhone because they are not on the GSM network.


Q. Can I purchase or obtain applications for the iPhone from places
other than the Apple applications store?

A. Unless you unlock (“jail-break”) your iPhone, you can only get
applications from the Apple applications store.


Q. What kinds of applications are available on a jail-broken iPhone
that are not available from the Apple apps store?

A. Here is a sampling, http://www.macworld.com/article/137767/jailbrokenapps.html.


Q. Can I go to prison if I get caught “Jail-Breaking” my iPhone?

A. Yes, but only if you do it for “financial gain.” Otherwise you
could be subject to a $2500 fine. Of course this is just what Apple
has argued should be the penalty, and no one has actually been
prosecuted for jail-breaking their iPhone. See http://consumerist.com/5153597/
for more details.


Q. How do I connect my notebook computer to the iPhone to use my
carrier's 3G network over Bluetooth or USB or WiFi?

A. Tethering is not yet supported on the iPhone (jail-broken iPhones
can tether). You will need to sign up for separate 3G data service
from your carrier. Note that when Apple and the carrier do support
tethering it is a virtual certainty that the carrier will charge extra
for it. The good news is that tethering support is built into OS 3.0
and developers have already had it working, see "http://tinyurl.com"/
iphonetethering. It’s just a matter of time before tethering will
work. The problem with tethering is that AT&T that's terrified what
would happen to their 3G network if a lot of iPhone owners started
tethering. They need to figure a way to charge for tethering so iPhone
owners don't use it too much, yet not charge so much that it drives
customers away to other carriers.


Q. My friend’s HTC Touch allows him to connect to the internet from
his laptop using Bluetooth for the connection between the laptop and
the phone. Can I do the same thing on my iPhone?

A. No. This is a form of tethering, and the iPhone does not support
tethering. Even if tethering were supported, the iPhone does not
support the necessary Bluetooth profile. The iPhone is quite primitive
in terms of its Bluetooth support.


Q. When I insert a prepaid SIM card when travelling in foreign
countries it doesn't work. What am I doing wrong?

A. iPhones are subsidy-locked to the carrier. Unless you have your
iPhone unlocked (jail broken) you cannot use a prepaid SIM card. While
AT&T will unlock their other quad band phones, they will not unlock
the iPhone. Be very careful when travelling internationally because
the iPhone can "phone home" running up enormous roaming chargers. Your
best bet is to carry along an unlocked GSM phone and use a prepaid SIM
card in that phone, and use your iPhone only on Wi-Fi networks (and of
course as a music and video player). If you want a factory-unlocked
iPhone then you can purchase one in Hong Kong, but it’s unsubsidized
so the price is very high.


Q. Can I activate my iPhone on T-Mobile in the U.S.?

A. Yes, but you’ll have to get your phone jail-broken and unlocked
first. While this is a relatively simple process (check craigslist.org
for services in your area if you don’t want to do it yourself) you
need be careful about downloading operating system updates from Apple
as these updates will likely re-lock your phone.


Q. Is there any place that I can purchase an unlocked, carrier-
independent iPhone without having to resort to “Jail-Breaking”?

A. Yes. iPhones sold in Hong Kong fit this description, but they are
very expensive because they are unsubsidized. Note that while these
phones are unlocked, they are not Jail-Broken.


Q. Can I install Skype or other VOIP application on my iPhone so I can
make calls over Wi-Fi in areas with no GSM coverage, or just to save
my peak minutes?

A. Apple will not allow Skype be distributed by their applications
store. However check out TruPhone or Fring.


Q. I can’t find a memory card slot on the iPhone. How can I transfer
photos from my digital camera to my iPhone?

A. The iPhone lacks the Micro-SD or Mini-SD card slot present on most
smart phones because these slots add cost to the hardware. You must
use iPhoto (on a Mac) or iTunes to transfer photos.


Q. I want to use a Bluetooth keyboard with my iPhone but it doesn’t
seem to connect. What am I doing wrong?

A. The iPhone does not support the proper Bluetooth profile. You can
use a Bluetooth keyboard only on jailbroken iPhones.


Q. The camera on my iPhone doesn’t have sufficient wide-angle range.
Is there any after-market device to fix this?

A. Yes. See "http://usbfever.com/index_eproduct_view.php?
products_id=789".


Q. The camera on my iPhone doesn’t have sufficient telephoto range. Is
there any after-market device to fix this?

A. Yes. See "http://mobile.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?
prod_id=03534".


Q. The camera on my iPhone does not have sufficient resolution. Is
there any after-market device to fix this?

A. No. The 2 megapixel camera is a major complaint of most iPhone
owners since most smart phones have much better cameras. Apple is
aware of the user dissatisfaction with the iPhone camera, and is
apparently planning a major improvement in the camera on the next
iPhone model (according to published reports they are buying higher
resolution camera sensors, and the belief is that these are for the
upcoming iPhone refresh). The bottom line is that if you can wait a
few months for the new iPhone models (expected in summer 2009) then
you’ll likely get a better camera.


Q. Can I run tasks in the background, such as Internet Radio?

Apple does not allow true background tasks, so you cannot have
Internet Radio running and at the same time run any other task. If you
want this capability then you have to purchase a more advanced smart
phone such as one of the Windows Mobile phones, the Android G1, or the
new Palm Pre. One of the reasons Apple does not permit background
tasks is that these tasks greatly affect battery life, though you’d
think that users could decide how to balance battery life against
multi-tasking.


Q. How do I enable Flash support in the iPhone’s browser?

A. The iPhone’s browser does not support Flash at this time. For a
smart phone that supports Flash, you can purchase a Windows Mobile
handset and use the upcoming revision of the Opera browser, or a G1
Android and use the upcoming revision of the G1 browser. Apple hasn’t
said when and if they’ll offer Flash support for the iPhone browser.


Q. I frequently take long international airline flights and the iPhone
battery goes flat during the flight. How can I work around this?

A. Since the iPhone battery is not user-replaceable, a number of
companies have produced work-around products. In Google shopping
search for “iPhone battery external.” Also, look into whether or not
your airline (and the plane used on your particular flight) has any
sort of power jacks at the seat. Some airlines have power jacks even
in coach. Be sure to bring the proper adapters for the type of system
used by your airline (i.e. 120VAC to 5VDC USB adapter, 12VDC to 5VDC
USB adapter, or EmPower to 5VDC USB adapter).


Q. I want to use my iPhone for work related stuff, but my IT
department doesn’t support it. How can I convince them to add support
to the iPhone for enterprise applications?

A. The main problem with the iPhone in terms of enterprise support is
the inablility to push applications to the iPhone. Enterprises don’t
want to have to use iTunes, with the phone wired to a desktop, to push
applications. The other problem with the iPhone is that enterprises
don’t want to be locked to AT&T as a carrier, though for personally
owned iPhones this should not be an issue. On the plus side,
enterprises like the low cost of the iPhone. Once the exclusivity
arrangement with AT&T is over, if there is a version of the iPhone for
Verizon, then IT departments will offer more support for the iPhone.
In the meantime, you’ll have to go with Blackberry or Windows Mobile
if you want full IT support on a smart phone.


Q. The internal memory on the iPhone is insufficient for storing the
amount of music and videos I would like. I don’t want to carry around
a laptop, but an external hard drive would be okay. Is there any after-
market USB add-on drive to expand the storage to something like the
120GB on the iPod Classic?

A. There is no way to connect a USB drive to the USB port of the
iPhone. Your best bet is to carry around a netbook, and transfer music
and videos back and forth between the netbook and the iPhone. It is
not clear if the SIMA Hitch will work with the iPhone (it works with
FAT32 formatted iPods). It’s likely that as Apple expands the iPhone
line there will be different models available and at least one model
will have disk based storage (like the iPod Classic).


Q. I often have no signal on my iPhone, why is this?

A. While the iPhone is a very advanced device, it’s only as good as
the network that it operates on. in the U.S., the smaller AT&T
Wireless network significantly lags the larger Verizon Wireless
network in terms of coverage, especially outside of urban areas. Since
Verizon operates a CDMA network, the GSM iPhone cannot roam onto
Verizon.You have several options regarding phone calls outside of the
GSM network coverage area. If you have a laptop, you can sign up with
a VOIP provider such as Skype, and make calls over the Internet (i.e.
at hotels with free wireless)., or use a VOIP application on your
iPhone (but not Skype). You can carry along a prepaid CDMA phone that
works on Verizon. You can use pay phones. Of course if you never
venture out of GSM coverage areas, this is unnecessary, but most
iPhone users in the U.S. often find themselves in areas without any
GSM coverage.


Q. I would like an iPhone just to use the WiFi and regular phone, but
I don’t want to pay for a data plan. Is this possible?

A. Not on AT&T or on most iPhone carriers in the world. You can buy an
iPhone and have it unlocked so you can stick any SIM card into it, but
buying an unsubsidized iPhone is very expensive. You can buy the
iPhone in Hong Kong and it will be already unlocked (but not jail-
broken). The original iPhone (Edge) was sold unsubsidized and millions
of users bought them and used them on networks for which they were not
intended depriving Apple of revenue. By the time you buy an
unsubsidized iPhone you’ve spent enough that you could buy a far more
capable device like the HTC Tytn II unlocked (around $575).


Q. I would like to create and edit documents that are compatible with
Microsoft Office. I see that Windows Mobile devices can do this, but
what about the iPhone.

A. The iPhone does not have such applications available.


Q. Which word processor does the iPhone support?

A. gOffice Web Word Wizard, but only on the web, not standalone. You
can do basic text editing with the included application.


Q. Which spreadsheet does the iPhone support?

The best ones are MarinerCalc ($10) and Quicksheet ($13).


Q. What is the closest equivalent to Powerpoint for the iPhone?

A. Note that you can convert Powerpoint presentations to MPEG4 videos
using Wondershare PPT to iPhone. You can also use Glider Presenter to
synch and present Powerpoint presentations from your desktop. There is
no offline presentation editor available at this time.


Q. Is there a database program for the iPhone?

A. Check out STOREIT.


Q. Can I create PDFs on the iPhone?

A. Yes, but not offline. See “http://ractor.org/ipdf/ipdf.php”


Q. Can I hook USB devices to the iPhone?

A. No. The iPhone does not support USB host mode. A few SmartPhones
running Windows Mobile support USB host mode.


Q. I print pictures taken with the iPhone camera at digital printing
kiosks?

A. No. These kiosks require a memory card and the iPhone does not
support memory cards. However many stores (Wal-Mart, Costco,
Walgreen’s, etc.) allow you to upload photos to their web site and
order prints.


Q. Can I hook the iPhone directly to my wired Ethernet router?

A. No. The iPhone does not support this, and since there is no
expansion slot or USB host port, you cannot use an add on device.


Q. Is their a way to listen to the radio on the iPhone?

A. The Apple iPod Radio Remote is incompatible with the iPhone.
However there is an after-market FM radio available. See "http://
www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.13773".


Q. I’m living in Japan and I want to receive live TV on my iPhone the
way other Japanese smart phones can do. How do I do this?

A. The iPhone lacks this capability, which, as you note is common in
Japanese smart phones. The lack of this capability (as well as others)
is the reason that the iPhone in Japan has sold poorly, and is
regarded as somewhat of a joke. In fact, the carrier in Japan gives
the 8GB iPhone away free with a two year contract. Amusingly, the work-
around to the live TV issue is an external tuner that sells for an
extra $100. See Loading Image... for a photo of this
kluge.


Q. Is there a way to record video on the iPhone?

A. While there are several video recording applications for the
iPhone, all require a jail-broken iPhone. There is an apps store
application that let’s you stream live video over a WiFi connection,
but that’s about it. In any case, you’d quickly fill up your flash
memory with video, and since the iPhone doesn’t have a memory card
slot, you’d have to connect to a computer to get the video off the
phone in order to keep recording.


Q. Will my iPhone work in Japan?

A. The original (Edge) iPhone will not work in Japan. The 3G model
will work in Japan. In Japan the iPhone 3G will work on the UMTS 2100
MHz band for both voice and data. This is different than in other
countries where it operates on GSM for voice, and UMTS or HSDPA for
data.


Q. Is there an iPhone for Sprint or Verizon?

A. No. Apple first approached Verizon with the iPhone but Verizon did
not like the Apple proposal for monthly revenue sharing, an
unprecedented idea, even though this was offset by the lack of any
handset subsidy by the carrier. Apple traded exclusivity with AT&T (in
the U.S.), and agreed to not require handset subsidies, in exchange
for a cut of service plan revenue. Ironically, AT&T and Apple soon
dropped the revenue sharing arrangement in favor of a traditional
carrier subsidy on the handset, because Apple felt that the
unsubsidized price of the iPhone was too high, and was the cause of
lower than expected sales.

AT&T has an exclusivity clause in their contract with Apple. When this
exclusivity clause expires in 2010 then you’ll likely see an iPhone
for Verizon, provided that the iPhone hasn’t been upstaged by
something even better. Of course AT&T would like to extend the
exclusivity clause and will no doubt offer Apple a lot of money to
continue the exclusive arrangement.

You can use an unlocked iPhone on T-Mobile.


Q. Where are the best places to buy iPhone accessories?

A. The cost for iPhone accessories purchased from Apple or AT&T is
very high. Check out: "http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?
keyword=iphone" and "http://www.dealextreme.com/search.dx/
search.iphone".


Q. How do I connect a VGA or DVI monitor or projector to the iPhone?

A. There is no easy way to get VGA (RGB) or DVI output from an iPhone.
However Apple does sell both composite and component video cables for
the iPhone. Most projectors can accept composite video or component
video. Officially there is no S-Video support, but people have gotten
S-Video working with the old iPod universal dock. The component video
cable is Apple part number MB128LL. The composite video cable is Apple
part number MB129LL.
If you must have VGA (RGB) then you can buy a component video to VGA
(RGB) converter, but these aren’t cheap.


Q. I can’t seem to get video-out working except when playing MPEG
movies, what am I doing wrong?

A. Video out only works when playing MPEG movies. If you want video
out to be enabled for other applications then you must jail-break your
iPhone. Performance, in terms of frame rate, is not great.


Q. Why does Apple make highly desirable, and seemingly easy to
implement features, so difficult?

A. In some cases the software or drivers necessary to implement these
features have simply not yet been written. The iPhone is a relatively
new platform, and it will take Apple a while to catch up with phones
using other operating systems (Windows Mobile, Palm, RIM, Symbian,
Android).

In some cases Apple wants to protect its revenue stream and does not
want to offer any features that would cause users to purchase fewer
applications or content (i.e. that’s why there is no FM radio built
in). In some cases it’s not entirely Apple, it’s also the carrier. For
example, AT&T would rather get a cut of roaming revenue from foreign
carriers than to have an iPhone user stick in a prepaid SIM card. In
some cases, the hardware was not designed to support the feature. I.e.
there’s no button to press for voice dialing because there are no hard
buttons on the phone at all (though Bluetooth headsets do have the
ability to initiate a call).

In some cases it’s because if they provided the feature, performance
would be sub-standard, either for the feature itself, or affecting the
performance of other features. You can see this with many of the
applications and features that have been enabled in the jail-broken
iPhones—they work, but not all that well. Apple does not want to add
any capability that degrades the performance of the device.

The iPhone was designed and marketed as phone/web browser/media
player. Now it’s transitioning into a Smart Phone, and that transition
isn’t going to be without some problems. Be patient. Future iPhones
will likely solve most of the issues, and iPhone users will someday
have many of the same features already enjoyed by Blackberry Storm and
Windows Mobile users. For the next year or so, if you can't live
without some features, you'll have to choose a different smart phone.


Q. What’s the bottom line?

A. Be careful when making major purchases like this. The iPhone is a
very cool, very compelling device, but features that you may believe
are available, because all other smart phones (and many non-smart
phones) have them, may not be present on the iPhone, and there may not
be applications available that give you those features unless you
resort to jail-breaking or are willing to use web-based applications.

Many of the issues with the iPhone are inter-related. The inability to
run background tasks is not an inherent limitation of the operating
system, it’s because multi-tasking uses a lot of power, and unlike
PDAs or other smart phones, the iPhone battery can’t be swapped out on
the fly so Apple controls things that would dramatically affect
battery life. The lack of video recording to memory is because the
iPhone lacks a memory card slot which would enable the storage of the
large files that video requires, it’s not because it can’t be done
(jail-broken iPhones can record video), so Apple doesn’t allow video
recording applications that store to internal memory.

Few early adopters knew that Apple had done some of the things that
they had done until it was too late. Don’t get carried away listening
to the Apple fanbois trying to rationalize every issue with the
iPhone. The iPhone lacks many capabilities that are present in the
Blackberry and the Windows Mobile devices, but on the other hand the
iPhone has its own set of strengths.

Choose carefully,

Ira


© 2009 Ira J. Schechtman. Ira J. Schechtman is a technology expert
specializing in smart phones. Contact him at
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Q. When is the third generation iPhone going to be available?
A. Apple has not announced a release date. However all indications are
that it will be released in summer 2009. The new OS version for the
iPhone has several features that are not compatible with the existing
iPhone hardware,
all announced features work on existing hardware except a couple minor
ones on the original iphone. the next model iphone may have additional
features but nobody outside apple knows what they are, including you.
Post by i***@gmail.com
Q. How do I unlock my iPhone?
A. AT&T will not unlock iPhones, even though they will unlock their
other phones. If you want to unlock your own iPhone, you first must
jail-break it (see below), then download and execute unlocking
software. The alternative is to buy an iPhone in Hong Kong as these
iPhones are unlocked (but not jail-broken).
there's a few countries that sell unlocked phones.
Post by i***@gmail.com
Note that you can have an unlocked phone that is not jail-broken
because Apple does sell unlocked iPhones in some countries. However
for all intents and purposes, most iPhone owners that have unlocked
phones, first jail-break their phone.
and it's possible that an unlocked iphone can be unjailbroken by
updating the firmware, and the lock remains.
Post by i***@gmail.com
Q. Can I use an iPhone with a prepaid wireless plan?
A. Yes, you can use AT&T’s prepaid service called GoPhone. But to
actually buy an iPhone you have to sign up for a postpaid plan (there
used to be a loophole to get around this but not any more) or obtain
an iPhone some other way. A big downside to prepaid with the iPhone in
the U.S. is the inability to use the data services of T-Mobile on the
carrier’s prepaid plans (on any phone, not just the iPhone).
wrong.
Post by i***@gmail.com
AT&T used to let you buy unlimited data for $20/month for both “Pay As
You Go” and “Pick Your Plan” subscribers but apparently it was cutting
into sales of postpaid plans and phones so they dropped it.
actually it was abuse by people using iphones for 20/mo.
Post by i***@gmail.com
Q. Can I purchase or obtain applications for the iPhone from places
other than the Apple applications store?
A. Unless you unlock (“jail-break”) your iPhone, you can only get
applications from the Apple applications store.
false
Post by i***@gmail.com
Q. My friend’s HTC Touch allows him to connect to the internet from
his laptop using Bluetooth for the connection between the laptop and
the phone. Can I do the same thing on my iPhone?
A. No. This is a form of tethering, and the iPhone does not support
tethering. Even if tethering were supported, the iPhone does not
support the necessary Bluetooth profile. The iPhone is quite primitive
in terms of its Bluetooth support.
3.0
Post by i***@gmail.com
Q. Can I install Skype or other VOIP application on my iPhone so I can
make calls over Wi-Fi in areas with no GSM coverage, or just to save
my peak minutes?
A. Apple will not allow Skype be distributed by their applications
store. However check out TruPhone or Fring.
wrong. skype is in fact, one of the most popular apps on the apps
store.
Post by i***@gmail.com
Q. I can’t find a memory card slot on the iPhone. How can I transfer
photos from my digital camera to my iPhone?
A. The iPhone lacks the Micro-SD or Mini-SD card slot present on most
smart phones because these slots add cost to the hardware. You must
use iPhoto (on a Mac) or iTunes to transfer photos.
one transfers photos via itunes.

why not answer the question instead of go off on a rant about a feature
few people care?
Post by i***@gmail.com
Q. I want to use a Bluetooth keyboard with my iPhone but it doesn’t
seem to connect. What am I doing wrong?
A. The iPhone does not support the proper Bluetooth profile. You can
use a Bluetooth keyboard only on jailbroken iPhones.
3.0
Post by i***@gmail.com
Q. The camera on my iPhone does not have sufficient resolution. Is
there any after-market device to fix this?
A. No. The 2 megapixel camera is a major complaint of most iPhone
owners since most smart phones have much better cameras. Apple is
aware of the user dissatisfaction with the iPhone camera, and is
apparently planning a major improvement in the camera on the next
iPhone model (according to published reports they are buying higher
resolution camera sensors, and the belief is that these are for the
upcoming iPhone refresh). The bottom line is that if you can wait a
few months for the new iPhone models (expected in summer 2009) then
you’ll likely get a better camera.
3.0 fixes a lot of issues with the camera in software.
Post by i***@gmail.com
Q. Can I run tasks in the background, such as Internet Radio?
Apple does not allow true background tasks, so you cannot have
Internet Radio running and at the same time run any other task. If you
want this capability then you have to purchase a more advanced smart
phone such as one of the Windows Mobile phones, the Android G1, or the
new Palm Pre. One of the reasons Apple does not permit background
tasks is that these tasks greatly affect battery life, though you’d
think that users could decide how to balance battery life against
multi-tasking.
or jailbreak it.
Post by i***@gmail.com
Q. I want to use my iPhone for work related stuff, but my IT
department doesn’t support it. How can I convince them to add support
to the iPhone for enterprise applications?
A. The main problem with the iPhone in terms of enterprise support is
the inablility to push applications to the iPhone.
wrong.
Post by i***@gmail.com
Enterprises don’t
want to have to use iTunes, with the phone wired to a desktop, to push
applications.
they don't have to
Post by i***@gmail.com
The other problem with the iPhone is that enterprises
don’t want to be locked to AT&T as a carrier,
wrong
Post by i***@gmail.com
though for personally
owned iPhones this should not be an issue. On the plus side,
enterprises like the low cost of the iPhone. Once the exclusivity
arrangement with AT&T is over, if there is a version of the iPhone for
Verizon, then IT departments will offer more support for the iPhone.
In the meantime, you’ll have to go with Blackberry or Windows Mobile
if you want full IT support on a smart phone.
nonsense
Post by i***@gmail.com
Q. The internal memory on the iPhone is insufficient for storing the
amount of music and videos I would like. I don’t want to carry around
a laptop, but an external hard drive would be okay. Is there any after-
market USB add-on drive to expand the storage to something like the
120GB on the iPod Classic?
A. There is no way to connect a USB drive to the USB port of the
iPhone. Your best bet is to carry around a netbook, and transfer music
and videos back and forth between the netbook and the iPhone. It is
not clear if the SIMA Hitch will work with the iPhone (it works with
FAT32 formatted iPods). It’s likely that as Apple expands the iPhone
line there will be different models available and at least one model
will have disk based storage (like the iPod Classic).
the best selling ipods by far have historically been in the 4-8 gig
range (ipod mini, ipod nano, ipod touch). the iphone goes up to 16 gig,
currently, and likely 32 gig in the next version. it's more than
enough for most people. very few people complain about lack of storage.
in fact, most have room to spare.
Post by i***@gmail.com
Q. I often have no signal on my iPhone, why is this?
because you're in a dead zone. all carriers have dead zones, not just
the iphone. enough of this one sided garbage. blackberries, nokias,
samsung and everything else also gets 'no signal' in some spots and in
fact, any at&t phone will get no signal where the iphone gets no
signal. it's not a flaw of the iphone.
Post by i***@gmail.com
Q. I would like an iPhone just to use the WiFi and regular phone, but
I don’t want to pay for a data plan. Is this possible?
A. Not on AT&T or on most iPhone carriers in the world.
wrong.
Post by i***@gmail.com
Q. I would like to create and edit documents that are compatible with
Microsoft Office. I see that Windows Mobile devices can do this, but
what about the iPhone.
A. The iPhone does not have such applications available.
wrong.
Post by i***@gmail.com
Q. Which word processor does the iPhone support?
A. gOffice Web Word Wizard, but only on the web, not standalone. You
can do basic text editing with the included application.
who really wants to do word processing on a 3" screen?
Post by i***@gmail.com
Q. What is the closest equivalent to Powerpoint for the iPhone?
A. Note that you can convert Powerpoint presentations to MPEG4 videos
using Wondershare PPT to iPhone. You can also use Glider Presenter to
synch and present Powerpoint presentations from your desktop. There is
no offline presentation editor available at this time.
no need to convert them.
Post by i***@gmail.com
Q. Is there a database program for the iPhone?
A. Check out STOREIT.
bento, filemaker and others.
Post by i***@gmail.com
Q. I print pictures taken with the iPhone camera at digital printing
kiosks?
A. No. These kiosks require a memory card and the iPhone does not
support memory cards. However many stores (Wal-Mart, Costco,
Walgreen’s, etc.) allow you to upload photos to their web site and
order prints.
there are apps that can print wirelessly
Post by i***@gmail.com
Q. Can I hook the iPhone directly to my wired Ethernet router?
A. No. The iPhone does not support this, and since there is no
expansion slot or USB host port, you cannot use an add on device.
it connects wirelessly, far more convenient.
Post by i***@gmail.com
Q. Is their a way to listen to the radio on the iPhone?
A. The Apple iPod Radio Remote is incompatible with the iPhone.
However there is an after-market FM radio available. See "http://
www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.13773".
wrong.
Post by i***@gmail.com
Q. Is there a way to record video on the iPhone?
A. While there are several video recording applications for the
iPhone, all require a jail-broken iPhone. There is an apps store
application that let’s you stream live video over a WiFi connection,
but that’s about it. In any case, you’d quickly fill up your flash
memory with video, and since the iPhone doesn’t have a memory card
slot, you’d have to connect to a computer to get the video off the
phone in order to keep recording.
next gen hardware, most likely
Post by i***@gmail.com
Q. Is there an iPhone for Sprint or Verizon?
A. No. Apple first approached Verizon with the iPhone but Verizon did
not like the Apple proposal for monthly revenue sharing, an
unprecedented idea, even though this was offset by the lack of any
handset subsidy by the carrier. Apple traded exclusivity with AT&T (in
the U.S.), and agreed to not require handset subsidies, in exchange
for a cut of service plan revenue. Ironically, AT&T and Apple soon
dropped the revenue sharing arrangement in favor of a traditional
carrier subsidy on the handset, because Apple felt that the
unsubsidized price of the iPhone was too high, and was the cause of
lower than expected sales.
sales were in line with expectations. the rest is speculation as
nothing about who met with whom and when is public.
Post by i***@gmail.com
AT&T has an exclusivity clause in their contract with Apple. When this
exclusivity clause expires in 2010
there is no official statement as to when it ends, and a whole lot of
speculation. the only official statement is 'an exclusive multi-year
contract'
Post by i***@gmail.com
then you’ll likely see an iPhone
for Verizon, provided that the iPhone hasn’t been upstaged by
something even better. Of course AT&T would like to extend the
exclusivity clause and will no doubt offer Apple a lot of money to
continue the exclusive arrangement.
you won't see verizon until 4g, or lte, in a couple of years.
Post by i***@gmail.com
Q. What’s the bottom line?
the bottom line is that you have a shitload of mistakes.
News
2009-05-17 23:10:36 UTC
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Post by nospam
In article
Post by i***@gmail.com
iPhone FAQ rev 3.00
more bogus info
Pure denial and apologia for features lacking...
SMS
2009-05-17 23:41:48 UTC
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Post by News
Post by nospam
In article
Post by i***@gmail.com
iPhone FAQ rev 3.00
more bogus info
Pure denial and apologia for features lacking...
Excellent information, but I had to go to Google Groups to see it as I
filtered all newsgroup posts from "@gmail.com" because of all the offers
for watches, purses, make money fast, etc."

I suggest that he modify his "from" address.
SMS
2009-05-18 17:59:07 UTC
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"Q. Can I use an iPhone with a prepaid wireless plan?

A. Yes, you can use AT&T’s prepaid service called GoPhone. But to
actually buy an iPhone you have to sign up for a postpaid plan (there
used to be a loophole to get around this but not any more because people
were using the loophole to avoid the higher monthly charges) or obtain
an iPhone some other way. A big downside to prepaid with the iPhone in
the U.S. is the inability to use the data services of T-Mobile on the
carrier’s prepaid plans (on any phone, not just the iPhone). For prepaid
data in the U.S. you can use Boost Mobile (very slow, but very cheap,
but not GSM), AT&T goPhone (GSM), Virgin Mobile (CDMA), or Verizon
InPulse (CDMA)."


Uh, don't forget PagePlus data on Verizon's network, $1.20/MB.
nospam
2009-05-18 21:32:39 UTC
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Post by SMS
"Q. Can I use an iPhone with a prepaid wireless plan?
A. Yes, you can use AT&T’s prepaid service called GoPhone. But to
actually buy an iPhone you have to sign up for a postpaid plan (there
used to be a loophole to get around this but not any more because people
were using the loophole to avoid the higher monthly charges) or obtain
an iPhone some other way.
not entirely true.
Post by SMS
A big downside to prepaid with the iPhone in
the U.S. is the inability to use the data services of T-Mobile on the
carrier’s prepaid plans (on any phone, not just the iPhone).
totally false.
Post by SMS
For prepaid
data in the U.S. you can use Boost Mobile (very slow, but very cheap,
but not GSM), AT&T goPhone (GSM), Virgin Mobile (CDMA), or Verizon
InPulse (CDMA)."
not relevant to the iphone and incomplete.
nospam
2009-05-18 00:15:40 UTC
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Post by News
Post by nospam
Post by i***@gmail.com
iPhone FAQ rev 3.00
more bogus info
Pure denial and apologia for features lacking...
no denial. it's full of errors and i corrected most of them.
News
2009-05-18 00:17:16 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by News
Post by nospam
Post by i***@gmail.com
iPhone FAQ rev 3.00
more bogus info
Pure denial and apologia for features lacking...
no denial. it's full of errors and i corrected most of them.
If you need more time, sure, take a mulligan. Get it right...
SMS
2009-05-18 00:34:25 UTC
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Post by News
Post by nospam
In article
Post by i***@gmail.com
iPhone FAQ rev 3.00
more bogus info
Pure denial and apologia for features lacking...
It's amazing that there still exists a group of people that get so angry
when facts that are in the least bit negative are disclosed about an
Apple product. Contrary to fanboy belief, the iPhone, while a very nice
device, does lack a lot of functionality that is present on other handsets.

That FAQ is very useful because at least it makes potential buyers aware
of issues that they might not have realized since a buyer would assume
that some obvious features would be present, but they're not.
News
2009-05-18 00:35:16 UTC
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Post by SMS
Post by News
Post by nospam
In article
Post by i***@gmail.com
iPhone FAQ rev 3.00
more bogus info
Pure denial and apologia for features lacking...
It's amazing that there still exists a group of people that get so angry
when facts that are in the least bit negative are disclosed about an
Apple product. Contrary to fanboy belief, the iPhone, while a very nice
device, does lack a lot of functionality that is present on other handsets.
That FAQ is very useful because at least it makes potential buyers aware
of issues that they might not have realized since a buyer would assume
that some obvious features would be present, but they're not.
EXACTLY!
nospam
2009-05-18 00:41:12 UTC
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Post by SMS
It's amazing that there still exists a group of people that get so angry
when facts that are in the least bit negative are disclosed about an
Apple product.
i was correcting the *incorrect* stuff, such as not having skype or
enterprise customers requiring itunes. it's *wrong*. totally wrong.

the only thing that angers me is that it's very obvious who 'ira'
really is and the games that person is playing. disgusting is what it
is.
Post by SMS
Contrary to fanboy belief, the iPhone, while a very nice
device, does lack a lot of functionality that is present on other handsets.
and it has functionality that other devices don't. big deal.
News
2009-05-18 00:44:19 UTC
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Post by nospam
and it has functionality that other devices don't. big deal.
With a head start half-life of maybe six months on developers like HTC.

Yes, "big deal"...
Larry
2009-05-18 01:05:42 UTC
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Post by i***@gmail.com
A. The iPhone lacks the Micro-SD or Mini-SD card slot present on most
smart phones because these slots add cost to the hardware. You must
use iPhoto (on a Mac) or iTunes to transfer photos.
one transfers photos via itunes.
why not answer the question instead of go off on a rant about a feature
few people care?
Let's test that theory.....

Would everyone watching who wants iPhone to have a serious SDHC memory card
slot to copy anything you want on and off the phone without using iTunes or
some other nanny crapware, music, movies, photos, software, grandma's
photos of your kids...just respond to this message and tell 'em what you
really think of such a silly idea....

I've never met even an Apple apologist who didn't want a memory card slot
on his iPhone....along with a USB port, real bluetooth protocols and a
damned swappable battery!
--
-----
Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?
nospam
2009-05-18 01:13:58 UTC
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Post by Larry
Would everyone watching who wants iPhone to have a serious SDHC memory card
slot to copy anything you want on and off the phone without using iTunes or
some other nanny crapware, music, movies, photos, software, grandma's
photos of your kids...just respond to this message and tell 'em what you
really think of such a silly idea....
why would anyone want to carry a pocket full of sd cards when they can
load up the iphone with everything they want? 16 gig on the iphone and
32 gig on the ipod touch holds quite a bit.
Post by Larry
I've never met even an Apple apologist who didn't want a memory card slot
on his iPhone....along with a USB port, real bluetooth protocols and a
damned swappable battery!
then you need to get out more. it also has a usb port, that's how it
attaches to the computer.
Larry
2009-05-18 01:42:31 UTC
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Post by nospam
then you need to get out more. it also has a usb port, that's how it
attaches to the computer.
No it doesn't. USB ports have HOST/OTG mode so you can connect keyboards,
mice, PRINTERS, other toys. Itoy has a peripheral port like a mouse.
--
-----
Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?
nospam
2009-05-18 02:02:53 UTC
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Post by Larry
No it doesn't. USB ports have HOST/OTG mode so you can connect keyboards,
mice, PRINTERS, other toys. Itoy has a peripheral port like a mouse.
a phone doesn't need a mouse and it can print wirelessly so why would
one want to bother with a usb cable?
SMS
2009-05-18 03:46:53 UTC
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Post by Larry
Post by nospam
then you need to get out more. it also has a usb port, that's how it
attaches to the computer.
No it doesn't. USB ports have HOST/OTG mode so you can connect keyboards,
mice, PRINTERS, other toys. Itoy has a peripheral port like a mouse.
It can be _really_ useful for a phone or PDA to have a host port, but
for the iPhone there's other missing functionality that limit such
usefulness. You wouldn't want to hook up your digital camera to your
iPhone to upload photos from the camera to the iPhone, since the iPhone
doesn't have much flash memory.
nospam
2009-05-18 04:04:09 UTC
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Post by SMS
It can be _really_ useful for a phone or PDA to have a host port, but
for the iPhone there's other missing functionality that limit such
usefulness.
there already is a host port and it's called the dock connector.
iphone os 3.0 adds the ability to support pretty much any custom
hardware you can imagine. blood pressure monitors have already been
demonstrated.
Post by SMS
You wouldn't want to hook up your digital camera to your
iPhone to upload photos from the camera to the iPhone, since the iPhone
doesn't have much flash memory.
actually, i would. 16 gigs (or 32 for an ipod touch) holds a *lot* of
photos and it sure beats carrying a laptop. it's highly likely that
there will be a camera connector, and this time, it won't suck like the
last one did. nice try though.
Todd Allcock
2009-05-18 06:22:11 UTC
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Post by SMS
It can be _really_ useful for a phone or PDA to have a host port, but
for the iPhone there's other missing functionality that limit such
usefulness.
there already is a host port and it's called the dock connector.
iphone os 3.0 adds the ability to support pretty much any custom
hardware you can imagine. blood pressure monitors have already been
demonstrated.
Post by SMS
You wouldn't want to hook up your digital camera to your
iPhone to upload photos from the camera to the iPhone, since the iPhone
doesn't have much flash memory.
actually, i would. 16 gigs (or 32 for an ipod touch) holds a *lot* of
photos and it sure beats carrying a laptop. it's highly likely that
there will be a camera connector, and this time, it won't suck like the
last one did. nice try though.
A camera connector would be nice. I kludge it on my phone now by using
MicroSD cards (with full-sized SD adapters) in my camera, and pop the
chip into my phone to email photos or upload them to my Skydrive when on
the road.
nospam
2009-05-18 07:56:40 UTC
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Post by Todd Allcock
A camera connector would be nice. I kludge it on my phone now by using
MicroSD cards (with full-sized SD adapters) in my camera, and pop the
chip into my phone to email photos or upload them to my Skydrive when on
the road.
i expect one will be announced when 3.0 ships, or shortly thereafter.
it's a very obvious product to do.
SMS
2009-05-18 10:23:48 UTC
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Post by Todd Allcock
A camera connector would be nice. I kludge it on my phone now by using
MicroSD cards (with full-sized SD adapters) in my camera, and pop the
chip into my phone to email photos or upload them to my Skydrive when on
the road.
Yeah, I've done the same thing. A lot of iPhone owners complain about
the inability to send photos from their camera. It's nice to be able to
do the MicroSD/SD thing to be able to send photos, though of course only
when you have unlimited data. You may have hit on a reason why Apple
decided not to include a memory card slot. Maybe the carriers told them
that it would result in unacceptably high data usage or maybe it was a
battery life issue. Can you imagine people sending HD video clips via
their iPhone?

But yeah, absent a memory card slot, that's a good reason that you'd
want to hook a camera directly to the iPhone--not for off-line storage
(since you can buy a 16GB MicroSD card for $30), but for photo transfer.
It's kind of surprising that no one's come out with an inexpensive
external device to emulate a host for the iPhone that had a lot of
storage in it or that at least allowed transfers by being a host to two
devices. Those devices are available for cameras.
nospam
2009-05-18 10:49:39 UTC
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Post by SMS
Post by Todd Allcock
A camera connector would be nice. I kludge it on my phone now by using
MicroSD cards (with full-sized SD adapters) in my camera, and pop the
chip into my phone to email photos or upload them to my Skydrive when on
the road.
Yeah, I've done the same thing. A lot of iPhone owners complain about
the inability to send photos from their camera.
actually, almost none do.
Post by SMS
It's nice to be able to
do the MicroSD/SD thing to be able to send photos, though of course only
when you have unlimited data. You may have hit on a reason why Apple
decided not to include a memory card slot. Maybe the carriers told them
that it would result in unacceptably high data usage or maybe it was a
battery life issue. Can you imagine people sending HD video clips via
their iPhone?
you mean, like streaming youtube, which ships with the device? or
googlemaps? or a variety of other apps?
Post by SMS
But yeah, absent a memory card slot, that's a good reason that you'd
want to hook a camera directly to the iPhone--not for off-line storage
(since you can buy a 16GB MicroSD card for $30), but for photo transfer.
actually, off line storage is exactly where it will be useful. it's
easier to carry an iphone than a laptop or even a netbook.
Post by SMS
It's kind of surprising that no one's come out with an inexpensive
external device to emulate a host for the iPhone that had a lot of
storage in it or that at least allowed transfers by being a host to two
devices. Those devices are available for cameras.
there will be a plethora of third party devices once 3.0 ships.
Todd Allcock
2009-05-18 06:31:48 UTC
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why would anyone want to carry a pocket full of sd cards when they can
load up the iphone with everything they want? 16 gig on the iphone and
32 gig on the ipod touch holds quite a bit.
Well, since 16GB cards are available, you could double the capacity of a
16GB iPhone for about $80, and use the slot to access your digital
camera's pictures for emailing or whatever without the need for a computer.


I get the whole 'defending Apple's design decision' thing- certainly a
slot would add a little unwanted volume, and it could be argued (weakly!)
that the disadvantages outweigh the advantages, but to pretend the idea
of a card slot is just so unnecessary as to be preposterous, is more than
a wee bit disingenuous.
nospam
2009-05-18 07:54:00 UTC
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Post by Todd Allcock
Post by nospam
why would anyone want to carry a pocket full of sd cards when they can
load up the iphone with everything they want? 16 gig on the iphone and
32 gig on the ipod touch holds quite a bit.
Well, since 16GB cards are available, you could double the capacity of a
16GB iPhone for about $80, and use the slot to access your digital
camera's pictures for emailing or whatever without the need for a computer.
that's true, but given that the most popular ipods have by far been the
4-8 gig mini & nanos, for most people, 16 gig perfectly fine. of
course, no matter what the capacity is, there will always be someone
that wants more.
Post by Todd Allcock
I get the whole 'defending Apple's design decision' thing- certainly a
slot would add a little unwanted volume, and it could be argued (weakly!)
that the disadvantages outweigh the advantages, but to pretend the idea
of a card slot is just so unnecessary as to be preposterous, is more than
a wee bit disingenuous.
it's more that it's not something most people ask for. as you know, the
major complaints for the iphone have been copy/paste and mms, as well
as the battery life and working on alternate carriers. how many people
said it must have a card slot? very, very few.
SMS
2009-05-18 10:25:57 UTC
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Post by Todd Allcock
Well, since 16GB cards are available, you could double the capacity of a
16GB iPhone for about $80, and use the slot to access your digital
camera's pictures for emailing or whatever without the need for a computer.
In my area, Fry's has had 16GB MicroSD cards on sale for a lot less than
$80.

It's surprising that Apple hasn't done an iPhone "Classic" with a 120GB
HD. They could just make that version a little thicker. Maybe it's a
battery issue.
nospam
2009-05-18 10:50:57 UTC
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Post by SMS
It's surprising that Apple hasn't done an iPhone "Classic" with a 120GB
HD. They could just make that version a little thicker. Maybe it's a
battery issue.
it would be much thicker and a lot less reliable, not something that is
suitable for a phone. and as i've said before, the best selling ipods
have been 4-8 gig in capacity.
Larry
2009-05-18 16:23:43 UTC
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Post by SMS
It's surprising that Apple hasn't done an iPhone "Classic" with a 120GB
HD. They could just make that version a little thicker. Maybe it's a
battery issue.
it would be much thicker and a lot less reliable, not something that is
suitable for a phone. and as i've said before, the best selling ipods
have been 4-8 gig in capacity.
I don't see how it could get much less reliable and not trash sales...

These are starting to pop up now, with users comparing notes which is
always dangerous to profits....
http://www.iphonefail.org/

How soon we forget our short history...
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=9596
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Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?
SMS
2009-05-18 16:37:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Larry
Post by nospam
Post by SMS
It's surprising that Apple hasn't done an iPhone "Classic" with a 120GB
HD. They could just make that version a little thicker. Maybe it's a
battery issue.
it would be much thicker and a lot less reliable, not something that is
suitable for a phone. and as i've said before, the best selling ipods
have been 4-8 gig in capacity.
I don't see how it could get much less reliable and not trash sales...
In any case, it was a ridiculous response. The iPod Classic uses a small
hard drive, and the people that choose it over a flash based model do so
because they want more space for media files.

You've seen the sleeves with extra batteries inside, if only it were
possible to build a sleeve with a small HD or some flash slots.

Reliability isn't the issue, you already have sufficient reliability
problems with both the iPhone and the iPod. Size is certainly an issue,
but that would be the choice of the buyer to purchase a model with much
greater storage or slightly thinner size.
Larry
2009-05-18 17:10:40 UTC
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Post by SMS
or slightly thinner size.
I don't like "thin". "Thin" is way too FRAGILE for my life. "Thin" bends
glass LCD displays way too easy for comfort. I want my device to have a
FRAME to hold things that break when they bend stiffly in place...

Style is useless when the display has a crack across it and the air gets
in.
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Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?
nospam
2009-05-18 21:32:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Larry
I don't like "thin". "Thin" is way too FRAGILE for my life. "Thin" bends
glass LCD displays way too easy for comfort. I want my device to have a
FRAME to hold things that break when they bend stiffly in place...
the iphone has a frame and does not bend, and is thin. amazing isn't it?
Todd Allcock
2009-05-18 22:20:00 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by Larry
I don't like "thin". "Thin" is way too FRAGILE for my life. "Thin" bends
glass LCD displays way too easy for comfort. I want my device to have a
FRAME to hold things that break when they bend stiffly in place...
the iphone has a frame and does not bend, and is thin. amazing isn't it?
Perhaps, but when I bought my wife's on eBay several months ago, I had to
scroll past a whole bunch of iPhones listings with "cracked glass-
otherwise works fine..."
nospam
2009-05-18 22:25:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Todd Allcock
Perhaps, but when I bought my wife's on eBay several months ago, I had to
scroll past a whole bunch of iPhones listings with "cracked glass-
otherwise works fine..."
except that those cracks were likely due to it being dropped or some
other accident, not bending it. seriously, try to bend an iphone, it
doesn't bend.
News
2009-05-18 22:34:38 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by Todd Allcock
Perhaps, but when I bought my wife's on eBay several months ago, I had to
scroll past a whole bunch of iPhones listings with "cracked glass-
otherwise works fine..."
except that those cracks were likely due to it being dropped or some
other accident, not bending it. seriously, try to bend an iphone, it
doesn't bend.
Fanboi marketing-speak: "Breaks, doesn't bend".
nospam
2009-05-18 23:03:55 UTC
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Post by News
Fanboi marketing-speak: "Breaks, doesn't bend".
anything can break. the iphone does *not* bend.
SMS
2009-05-18 22:45:22 UTC
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Post by Todd Allcock
Perhaps, but when I bought my wife's on eBay several months ago, I had to
scroll past a whole bunch of iPhones listings with "cracked glass-
otherwise works fine..."
Cracked screens are a very common failure mode, and it most often comes
not from dropping the phone, but from putting too much stress on the
frame. You can get the screen replaced for about $75, or buy the glass
for $40 and do it yourself (just the glass and digitizer, not the LCD
too). One supplier claims to have sold over 100,000 replacement glass
screens.

You really want to have a hard case with padding for the iPhone.
nospam
2009-05-18 23:06:14 UTC
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Post by SMS
Cracked screens are a very common failure mode, and it most often comes
not from dropping the phone, but from putting too much stress on the
frame.
bullshit.
Post by SMS
You can get the screen replaced for about $75, or buy the glass
for $40 and do it yourself (just the glass and digitizer, not the LCD
too). One supplier claims to have sold over 100,000 replacement glass
screens.
even if your bogus claim is true, 100k screens out of 37 million
devices (using the numbers reported in april) is 0.27%. that's hardly
an area of concern.
Post by SMS
You really want to have a hard case with padding for the iPhone.
no, you really don't.
Todd Allcock
2009-05-19 01:24:21 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by SMS
You can get the screen replaced for about $75, or buy the glass
for $40 and do it yourself (just the glass and digitizer, not the LCD
too). One supplier claims to have sold over 100,000 replacement glass
screens.
even if your bogus claim is true, 100k screens out of 37 million
devices (using the numbers reported in april) is 0.27%. that's hardly
an area of concern.
Agreed...

...unless you're one of the 0.27%! ;-)
Post by nospam
Post by SMS
You really want to have a hard case with padding for the iPhone.
no, you really don't.
Agreed. My wife likes the thinness of the phone, so a padded case sort
of defeats that. She uses one of those cheap silicon cases- thin,
provides a modicum of protection, and gives more grip, hopefully
preventing a drop in the first place.
nospam
2009-05-19 03:38:17 UTC
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Post by Todd Allcock
...unless you're one of the 0.27%! ;-)
true but generally those in that group can identify the event that
caused the crack. it doesn't spontaneously break.

however, the first gen ipod nanos did crack on their own, and it was
due to a bad batch of screens. it didn't affect very many users and
was covered under warranty. it also had nothing to do with being thin.
Post by Todd Allcock
Agreed. My wife likes the thinness of the phone, so a padded case sort
of defeats that. She uses one of those cheap silicon cases- thin,
provides a modicum of protection, and gives more grip, hopefully
preventing a drop in the first place.
one of the skins? or an actual case?
Todd Allcock
2009-05-19 03:58:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by nospam
Post by Todd Allcock
...unless you're one of the 0.27%! ;-)
true but generally those in that group can identify the event that
caused the crack. it doesn't spontaneously break.
however, the first gen ipod nanos did crack on their own, and it was
due to a bad batch of screens. it didn't affect very many users and
was covered under warranty. it also had nothing to do with being thin.
Post by Todd Allcock
Agreed. My wife likes the thinness of the phone, so a padded case sort
of defeats that. She uses one of those cheap silicon cases- thin,
provides a modicum of protection, and gives more grip, hopefully
preventing a drop in the first place.
one of the skins? or an actual case?
No- just a skin. She has a "prettier" stitched leather case as well she
can switch to if necessary, but she prefers the skin. It fits in her
purse better.
Larry
2009-05-20 03:01:53 UTC
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Post by Todd Allcock
No- just a skin. She has a "prettier" stitched leather case as well she
can switch to if necessary, but she prefers the skin. It fits in her
purse better.
But, is it SHINY? Shiny is very important....


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Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?
News
2009-05-19 01:08:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by SMS
Post by Todd Allcock
Perhaps, but when I bought my wife's on eBay several months ago, I had to
scroll past a whole bunch of iPhones listings with "cracked glass-
otherwise works fine..."
Cracked screens are a very common failure mode, and it most often comes
not from dropping the phone, but from putting too much stress on the
frame. You can get the screen replaced for about $75, or buy the glass
for $40 and do it yourself (just the glass and digitizer, not the LCD
too). One supplier claims to have sold over 100,000 replacement glass
screens.
You really want to have a hard case with padding for the iPhone.
Puh-leeze!

Don't argue with the fanbois!

"Doesn't bend"...

Just breaks.
ZnU
2009-05-18 17:39:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by SMS
Post by Larry
Post by nospam
Post by SMS
It's surprising that Apple hasn't done an iPhone "Classic" with a
120GB HD. They could just make that version a little thicker.
Maybe it's a battery issue.
it would be much thicker and a lot less reliable, not something
that is suitable for a phone. and as i've said before, the best
selling ipods have been 4-8 gig in capacity.
I don't see how it could get much less reliable and not trash sales...
In any case, it was a ridiculous response. The iPod Classic uses a
small hard drive, and the people that choose it over a flash based
model do so because they want more space for media files.
You've seen the sleeves with extra batteries inside, if only it were
possible to build a sleeve with a small HD or some flash slots.
Reliability isn't the issue, you already have sufficient reliability
problems with both the iPhone and the iPod.
This is a nutty claim. Putting a mechanical drive in the iPhone or iPod
Touch would undoubtably substantially raise the failure rate.
Post by SMS
Size is certainly an issue, but that would be the choice of the buyer
to purchase a model with much greater storage or slightly thinner
size.
--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
Richard B. Gilbert
2009-05-18 17:51:57 UTC
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Post by ZnU
Post by SMS
Post by Larry
Post by nospam
Post by SMS
It's surprising that Apple hasn't done an iPhone "Classic" with a
120GB HD. They could just make that version a little thicker.
Maybe it's a battery issue.
it would be much thicker and a lot less reliable, not something
that is suitable for a phone. and as i've said before, the best
selling ipods have been 4-8 gig in capacity.
I don't see how it could get much less reliable and not trash sales...
In any case, it was a ridiculous response. The iPod Classic uses a
small hard drive, and the people that choose it over a flash based
model do so because they want more space for media files.
You've seen the sleeves with extra batteries inside, if only it were
possible to build a sleeve with a small HD or some flash slots.
Reliability isn't the issue, you already have sufficient reliability
problems with both the iPhone and the iPod.
This is a nutty claim. Putting a mechanical drive in the iPhone or iPod
Touch would undoubtably substantially raise the failure rate.
A mechanical drive should not be necessary. 1 GB of Flash PROM is
smaller than a postage stamp and costs less than $10. I'm sure I've
seen 8 GB Flash PROM for sale. If larger Flash PROM is not yet
available, check again next week or next month. How many people REALLY
need more than that? If your phone is your whole life maybe you need to
get another life!
SMS
2009-05-18 18:10:07 UTC
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Post by Richard B. Gilbert
A mechanical drive should not be necessary. 1 GB of Flash PROM is
smaller than a postage stamp and costs less than $10. I'm sure I've
seen 8 GB Flash PROM for sale. If larger Flash PROM is not yet
available, check again next week or next month. How many people REALLY
need more than that?
It depends how you view your iPhone. If you got it partly because of the
audio and video playback capability, then it's quite reasonable to
expect that you'd want storage capacity equivalent to the iPod Classic
or Zune. Remember that the iPhone can't officially download and store
files via WiFi or 3G so you can't store music or video off line and
download it as needed unless you have the desktop or notebook with you
(or unless it's jail-broken).
Richard B. Gilbert
2009-05-18 18:14:49 UTC
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Post by SMS
Post by Richard B. Gilbert
A mechanical drive should not be necessary. 1 GB of Flash PROM is
smaller than a postage stamp and costs less than $10. I'm sure I've
seen 8 GB Flash PROM for sale. If larger Flash PROM is not yet
available, check again next week or next month. How many people
REALLY need more than that?
It depends how you view your iPhone. If you got it partly because of the
audio and video playback capability, then it's quite reasonable to
expect that you'd want storage capacity equivalent to the iPod Classic
or Zune. Remember that the iPhone can't officially download and store
files via WiFi or 3G so you can't store music or video off line and
download it as needed unless you have the desktop or notebook with you
(or unless it's jail-broken).
Being a VZW customer I don't have, nor could I use, an iPhone. I still
don't understand why this discussion is taking place on
alt.cellular.verizon!
SMS
2009-05-18 18:34:12 UTC
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Post by Richard B. Gilbert
Being a VZW customer I don't have, nor could I use, an iPhone. I still
don't understand why this discussion is taking place on
alt.cellular.verizon!
Perhaps their are VZW customers that may be looking at buying an iPhone
and switching carriers. Maybe Apple will offer an iPhone on Verizon once
its exclusivity arrangement with AT&T ends.
Larry
2009-05-18 20:02:36 UTC
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Post by Richard B. Gilbert
Being a VZW customer I don't have, nor could I use, an iPhone. I
still don't understand why this discussion is taking place on
alt.cellular.verizon!
Because iPhone may be coming to Verizon and the other CDMA carriers and it
may interest Verizon users when it does??

Instead of the bitching and whining, not to mention 1st Amendment issues,
why not just DON'T READ any messages that have iphone in their SUBJECT
LINES! You can see them, I just know it!
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Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?
ZnU
2009-05-18 18:28:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by SMS
Post by Richard B. Gilbert
A mechanical drive should not be necessary. 1 GB of Flash PROM is
smaller than a postage stamp and costs less than $10. I'm sure
I've seen 8 GB Flash PROM for sale. If larger Flash PROM is not
yet available, check again next week or next month. How many
people REALLY need more than that?
It depends how you view your iPhone. If you got it partly because of
the audio and video playback capability, then it's quite reasonable
to expect that you'd want storage capacity equivalent to the iPod
Classic or Zune.
But most people don't particularly care about having that much storage
capacity even on their dedicated media player devices. Apple's large
hard drive based iPods have been outsold by physically smaller iPods
with much less storage capacity basically since the day such smaller
players were introduced.
Post by SMS
Remember that the iPhone can't officially download and store files
via WiFi or 3G so you can't store music or video off line and
download it as needed unless you have the desktop or notebook with
you (or unless it's jail-broken).
--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
Larry
2009-05-18 20:00:18 UTC
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Post by SMS
Post by Richard B. Gilbert
A mechanical drive should not be necessary. 1 GB of Flash PROM is
smaller than a postage stamp and costs less than $10. I'm sure I've
seen 8 GB Flash PROM for sale. If larger Flash PROM is not yet
available, check again next week or next month. How many people REALLY
need more than that?
It depends how you view your iPhone. If you got it partly because of the
audio and video playback capability, then it's quite reasonable to
expect that you'd want storage capacity equivalent to the iPod Classic
or Zune. Remember that the iPhone can't officially download and store
files via WiFi or 3G so you can't store music or video off line and
download it as needed unless you have the desktop or notebook with you
(or unless it's jail-broken).
Apple's cured that video playback problem. There's no codecs for the most
popular videos on the net...Flash, DivX, Realmedia, WM, etc., the ones
people use. They include crapware like Quicktime MOV, etc., so you don't
need to have big memory cards because it won't play them, anyways, without
some stupid, time-consuming conversion nonsense into something it will
play.
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Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?
SMS
2009-05-18 22:04:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Larry
Apple's cured that video playback problem. There's no codecs for the most
popular videos on the net...Flash, DivX, Realmedia, WM, etc., the ones
people use. They include crapware like Quicktime MOV, etc., so you don't
need to have big memory cards because it won't play them, anyways, without
some stupid, time-consuming conversion nonsense into something it will
play.
I once had to encode into Quicktime because the schools in my area use
only Macs, and my daughter had a project where they were doing a movie
and had to edit it at home and no one in her group had a Mac at home. I
found that Sony Vegas Movie Studio is one of the few Windows programs
that can both read and write the Quicktime .MOV format so I bought it.
It's better than iMovie, not as professional as Final Cut, but in
between. Anyway, what amazed me was how large the .MOV files were,
compared to .WMV files, or Sony's own format. I couldn't fit a ten
minute video onto a 2GB USB stick. Quicktime is fine for small size
frames and low frame rates and lower quality, but not for transferring
video from a camcorder and making a movie.
Snit
2009-05-18 22:16:38 UTC
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Post by SMS
Post by Larry
Apple's cured that video playback problem. There's no codecs for the most
popular videos on the net...Flash, DivX, Realmedia, WM, etc., the ones
people use. They include crapware like Quicktime MOV, etc., so you don't
need to have big memory cards because it won't play them, anyways, without
some stupid, time-consuming conversion nonsense into something it will
play.
I once had to encode into Quicktime because the schools in my area use
only Macs, and my daughter had a project where they were doing a movie
and had to edit it at home and no one in her group had a Mac at home. I
found that Sony Vegas Movie Studio is one of the few Windows programs
that can both read and write the Quicktime .MOV format so I bought it.
It's better than iMovie, not as professional as Final Cut, but in
between. Anyway, what amazed me was how large the .MOV files were,
compared to .WMV files, or Sony's own format. I couldn't fit a ten
minute video onto a 2GB USB stick. Quicktime is fine for small size
frames and low frame rates and lower quality, but not for transferring
video from a camcorder and making a movie.
MOV is a wrapper... it can handle many formats. H.264 is a common format -
and is also used by Flash and other wrappers.
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nospam
2009-05-18 22:28:45 UTC
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Post by SMS
I once had to encode into Quicktime because the schools in my area use
only Macs,
macs can handle pretty much any format.
Post by SMS
and my daughter had a project where they were doing a movie
and had to edit it at home and no one in her group had a Mac at home. I
found that Sony Vegas Movie Studio is one of the few Windows programs
that can both read and write the Quicktime .MOV format so I bought it.
quite a few apps can read quicktime, particularly when quicktime is
installed.
Post by SMS
It's better than iMovie, not as professional as Final Cut, but in
between. Anyway, what amazed me was how large the .MOV files were,
compared to .WMV files, or Sony's own format.
.mov is a container format, just like .avi, and the size of the file
depends on the codec used and its settings. it's kinda like jpeg, you
can make it small and crappy or large and high quality.
Post by SMS
I couldn't fit a ten
minute video onto a 2GB USB stick. Quicktime is fine for small size
frames and low frame rates and lower quality, but not for transferring
video from a camcorder and making a movie.
nonsense.
ZnU
2009-05-18 23:43:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by SMS
Post by Larry
Apple's cured that video playback problem. There's no codecs for the most
popular videos on the net...Flash, DivX, Realmedia, WM, etc., the ones
people use. They include crapware like Quicktime MOV, etc., so you don't
need to have big memory cards because it won't play them, anyways, without
some stupid, time-consuming conversion nonsense into something it will
play.
I once had to encode into Quicktime because the schools in my area use
only Macs, and my daughter had a project where they were doing a movie
and had to edit it at home and no one in her group had a Mac at home. I
found that Sony Vegas Movie Studio is one of the few Windows programs
that can both read and write the Quicktime .MOV format so I bought it.
It's better than iMovie, not as professional as Final Cut, but in
between. Anyway, what amazed me was how large the .MOV files were,
compared to .WMV files, or Sony's own format. I couldn't fit a ten
minute video onto a 2GB USB stick. Quicktime is fine for small size
frames and low frame rates and lower quality, but not for transferring
video from a camcorder and making a movie.
This is utterly meaningless. MOV files can hold video and audio data in
a wide array of codecs, intended for a huge number of different
purposes. Since you were exporting out of a video editing program, it
was probably defaulting to some codec designed to be used for editing or
mastering; these codecs have substantially higher bit rates than
delivery codecs, because they're optimized to preserve as much
information as possible and to have low CPU overhead to keep editing
systems responsive, rather than being optimized for small file sizes.
--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
Larry
2009-05-19 02:05:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by SMS
Post by Larry
Apple's cured that video playback problem. There's no codecs for the
most popular videos on the net...Flash, DivX, Realmedia, WM, etc.,
the ones people use. They include crapware like Quicktime MOV, etc.,
so you don't need to have big memory cards because it won't play
them, anyways, without some stupid, time-consuming conversion
nonsense into something it will play.
I once had to encode into Quicktime because the schools in my area use
only Macs, and my daughter had a project where they were doing a movie
and had to edit it at home and no one in her group had a Mac at home.
I found that Sony Vegas Movie Studio is one of the few Windows
programs that can both read and write the Quicktime .MOV format so I
bought it. It's better than iMovie, not as professional as Final Cut,
but in between. Anyway, what amazed me was how large the .MOV files
were, compared to .WMV files, or Sony's own format. I couldn't fit a
ten minute video onto a 2GB USB stick. Quicktime is fine for small
size frames and low frame rates and lower quality, but not for
transferring video from a camcorder and making a movie.
Apple has a long history back into the 80's of catering to the easy-to-use
educational market where the teachers aren't computer literate but are
required to run some computer lab. Fighting it with the school board faced
with a honey-sweet Apple deal is useless.

It's been that way for nearly 30 years, now......
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Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?
SMS
2009-05-19 05:37:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Larry
Apple has a long history back into the 80's of catering to the easy-to-use
educational market where the teachers aren't computer literate but are
required to run some computer lab. Fighting it with the school board faced
with a honey-sweet Apple deal is useless.
Actually it's much more simple than that in this case given the school
she went to when she was in middle school....

"Loading Image..."
Larry
2009-05-20 02:50:13 UTC
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Post by SMS
http://i41.tinypic.com/5p52ly.jpg
WOW! Close proximity to the Evil Empire! Poor kids can probably feel the
magnetics eminating from the CEO's office in there!

What do they do to them if they are caught with a Micro$oft PDA in their
backpack? Are there public floggings?
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Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?
SMS
2009-05-20 05:03:52 UTC
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Post by Larry
Post by SMS
http://i41.tinypic.com/5p52ly.jpg
WOW! Close proximity to the Evil Empire! Poor kids can probably feel the
magnetics eminating from the CEO's office in there!
What do they do to them if they are caught with a Micro$oft PDA in their
backpack? Are there public floggings?
Yes.

All the teachers have Mac Books. All the lab computers are Macs.
Surprisingly, it's still very hard to find any student with a Mac at
home. I kept telling my daughter, 'just go to someone in your group's
house who has a Mac to do the editing,' but there were none. Hence the
need for me to buy the Sony Vegas video editor. Surprisingly few video
editors can output into the .MOV format.
Todd Allcock
2009-05-20 05:49:00 UTC
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Post by SMS
All the teachers have Mac Books. All the lab computers are Macs.
Surprisingly, it's still very hard to find any student with a Mac at
home. I kept telling my daughter, 'just go to someone in your group's
house who has a Mac to do the editing,' but there were none. Hence the
need for me to buy the Sony Vegas video editor. Surprisingly few video
editors can output into the .MOV format.
How long ago was this? Couldn't you have just used something like
Windows Movie Maker to do the editing and output it as .wmv, then
transcode it to .mov format with a re-encoder like SUPER? Or did you
need a more featured editor?
SMS
2009-05-20 15:28:28 UTC
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Post by Todd Allcock
How long ago was this? Couldn't you have just used something like
Windows Movie Maker to do the editing and output it as .wmv, then
transcode it to .mov format with a re-encoder like SUPER? Or did you
need a more featured editor?
I tried transcoding, but it was extremely slow and was resulting in huge
file size increases. I did a small clip and played it, and the quality
was very poor.

The whole thing was complicated by the fact that they wanted to edit
both at home and at school, so using Movie Maker wouldn't be practical.
With Vegas, you could import the .MOV file, edit it, and save it back in
.MOV (along with Sony's proprietary format).

The school was keeping the computer lab open extra hours to accommodate
students that needed to edit, but not on weekends.

I wish Apple would offer some sort of student discounts for elementary
and middle school students. I be happy to have a Mac in the house if it
was $500. Even going to Pystar, you're at $1000 once you configure it to
be usable. Those Microsoft television commercials are very accurate when
it comes to pointing out the cost differences.

I'm quite pleased with Vegas. It was only $30 (after rebate of course),
and it's a far better video editor than Movie Maker or iMovie.
Lloyd Parsons
2009-05-20 16:28:31 UTC
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Post by SMS
Post by Todd Allcock
How long ago was this? Couldn't you have just used something like
Windows Movie Maker to do the editing and output it as .wmv, then
transcode it to .mov format with a re-encoder like SUPER? Or did you
need a more featured editor?
I tried transcoding, but it was extremely slow and was resulting in huge
file size increases. I did a small clip and played it, and the quality
was very poor.
The whole thing was complicated by the fact that they wanted to edit
both at home and at school, so using Movie Maker wouldn't be practical.
With Vegas, you could import the .MOV file, edit it, and save it back in
.MOV (along with Sony's proprietary format).
The school was keeping the computer lab open extra hours to accommodate
students that needed to edit, but not on weekends.
I wish Apple would offer some sort of student discounts for elementary
and middle school students. I be happy to have a Mac in the house if it
was $500. Even going to Pystar, you're at $1000 once you configure it to
be usable. Those Microsoft television commercials are very accurate when
it comes to pointing out the cost differences.
I'm quite pleased with Vegas. It was only $30 (after rebate of course),
and it's a far better video editor than Movie Maker or iMovie.
As I'm looking for a computer to use hooked to my TV, I'm finding that
$500 isn't buying much from the wintel side either. By the time I get
one configured with HDMI outputs, a decent processor and a 4gb of RAM,
I'm looking at nearly $700 without monitor.

Vegas must have really done some improvements over the years. One of
the things that made me move to mac was that the consumer movie makers
on the Windows side really sucked at the time. iMovie was just head and
shoulders ahead of all of them at that time.

As to the MS ads, well they are interesting, but they aren't all that
factual. To a casual observer it might appear that way, but when you
listen to the reasoning the 'shopper' is using, you can see there is a
fine mix of BS in there too. MS is doing a good job with them. I
wonder why the wintel sales aren't up instead of down, especially HP?
SMS
2009-05-20 18:02:06 UTC
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Post by Lloyd Parsons
As to the MS ads, well they are interesting, but they aren't all that
factual. To a casual observer it might appear that way, but when you
listen to the reasoning the 'shopper' is using, you can see there is a
fine mix of BS in there too. MS is doing a good job with them. I
wonder why the wintel sales aren't up instead of down, especially HP?
By the same token, why is Apple losing market share again? Sales are
down across the board because of the economy. The relative market share
of Apple is down because people are buying less expensive alternatives.
Lloyd Parsons
2009-05-20 18:18:27 UTC
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Post by SMS
Post by Lloyd Parsons
As to the MS ads, well they are interesting, but they aren't all that
factual. To a casual observer it might appear that way, but when you
listen to the reasoning the 'shopper' is using, you can see there is a
fine mix of BS in there too. MS is doing a good job with them. I
wonder why the wintel sales aren't up instead of down, especially HP?
By the same token, why is Apple losing market share again? Sales are
down across the board because of the economy. The relative market share
of Apple is down because people are buying less expensive alternatives.
Primarily netbooks it seems. I wonder how long this particular
flash-in-the-pan will take to go away?
News
2009-05-20 18:32:35 UTC
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Post by Lloyd Parsons
Post by SMS
Post by Lloyd Parsons
As to the MS ads, well they are interesting, but they aren't all that
factual. To a casual observer it might appear that way, but when you
listen to the reasoning the 'shopper' is using, you can see there is a
fine mix of BS in there too. MS is doing a good job with them. I
wonder why the wintel sales aren't up instead of down, especially HP?
By the same token, why is Apple losing market share again? Sales are
down across the board because of the economy. The relative market share
of Apple is down because people are buying less expensive alternatives.
Primarily netbooks it seems. I wonder how long this particular
flash-in-the-pan will take to go away?
The iToy, you mean?
Todd Allcock
2009-05-20 20:04:20 UTC
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Post by Lloyd Parsons
Post by SMS
Post by Lloyd Parsons
As to the MS ads, well they are interesting, but they aren't all that
factual. To a casual observer it might appear that way, but when you
listen to the reasoning the 'shopper' is using, you can see there is a
fine mix of BS in there too. MS is doing a good job with them. I
wonder why the wintel sales aren't up instead of down, especially HP?
By the same token, why is Apple losing market share again? Sales are
down across the board because of the economy. The relative market share
of Apple is down because people are buying less expensive alternatives.
Primarily netbooks it seems. I wonder how long this particular
flash-in-the-pan will take to go away?
I guess it depends what you mean by "go away." Since their introduction,
the "netbook" has become less of netbook, and more of just a low end laptop
with a cramped keyboard and tiny display.

When ASUS launched the EEE PC, the netbook was a new class of "almost" PC-
an 800x480 display (same as higher end smartphones!) only 512MB RAM, and a
paltry few GBs of flash storage, running Linux out of neccessity, and not
enough storage to run much on the device itself, hence the "net" in netbook.
TigerDirect/CompUSA was just hustling me by email yesterday with a $199
refurb "netbook" with a 120GB HD, 1 GB RAM and a 1024x600 display- specs
comparable to any other low end XP laptop of a year or two ago. I'm typing
this on an 18-month old Compaq Vista notebook that came with the same 1GB
RAM (long since upgraded- it's running Vista after all!) and a smaller HD
(80GB) than this "netbook" Tiger is selling!

Arguably the "netbook" is already dead, replaced by very low-end laptops in
a smaller form factor.

And there's nothing really wrong with that. We all happily used similarly
spec'd PCs just two or three years ago without complaints. The marketplace
needs a usable $200-300 computer, and they now exist. In the Apple world,
the only thing that exists at that price range are used Macs, which arguably
doesn't benefit Apple much (except, perhaps, indirectly by helping defray
the cost of a new Mac for a user that sells his old one.)
SMS
2009-05-20 20:49:39 UTC
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Post by Todd Allcock
And there's nothing really wrong with that. We all happily used
similarly spec'd PCs just two or three years ago without complaints.
The marketplace needs a usable $200-300 computer, and they now exist.
In the Apple world, the only thing that exists at that price range are
used Macs, which arguably doesn't benefit Apple much (except, perhaps,
indirectly by helping defray the cost of a new Mac for a user that sells
his old one.)
I predict that within three months we'll see an offering from Apple in
the $500 range, be it some sort of Netbook, or a lower cost desktop.
They really have no choice but to enter this market.

The Dell Mini9 already can run OS-X with WiFi, Ethernet, Sound,
Bluetooth, Video Out, the Trackpad, the Card Reader, the audio ports,
and the power management all working. See
"http://i.gizmodo.com/5156903/how-to-hackintosh-a-dell-mini-9-into-the-ultimate-os-x-netbook".

Don't you think that the folks at Apple might want some of that money
for themselves, rather than letting Dell get it all? Maybe it's time for
them to be a bit more pragmatic.
Elmo P. Shagnasty
2009-05-20 22:44:48 UTC
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Post by SMS
The Dell Mini9 already can run OS-X with WiFi, Ethernet, Sound,
Bluetooth, Video Out, the Trackpad, the Card Reader, the audio ports,
and the power management all working. See
"http://i.gizmodo.com/5156903/how-to-hackintosh-a-dell-mini-9-into-the-ultimat
e-os-x-netbook".
Yeah--but you know what? I'll pay a $100 premium for an Apple trackpad
over the Dell piece o' crap.

Seriously. I hate trackpads, but I love Apple's trackpads. Yeah, I
don't get it either. The only thing I can figure is that Dell et al.
install crappy trackpads.
SMS
2009-05-21 19:03:45 UTC
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Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty
Post by SMS
The Dell Mini9 already can run OS-X with WiFi, Ethernet, Sound,
Bluetooth, Video Out, the Trackpad, the Card Reader, the audio ports,
and the power management all working. See
"http://i.gizmodo.com/5156903/how-to-hackintosh-a-dell-mini-9-into-the-ultimat
e-os-x-netbook".
Yeah--but you know what? I'll pay a $100 premium for an Apple trackpad
over the Dell piece o' crap.
Perhaps Apple will soon give you that option.
Larry
2009-05-22 06:00:45 UTC
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Post by Todd Allcock
Arguably the "netbook" is already dead, replaced by very low-end
laptops in a smaller form factor.
http://jkontherun.com/2008/12/09/more-niche-netb/

You'll need the graph....(c;]
http://www.slashgear.com/netbooks-sell-more-than-iphones-this-summer-
0925767/

...and the Washington Post story.....(c;]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2008/12/10/AR2008121000998.html

Maybe the blog, but it sucks I think:
http://www.netbookera.com/about-the-iphone-vs-netbooks-sales-figures/

The Apple fanbois try to deflect their effects on overpriced notebook
sales:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/02/16/netbooks_killing_off_sickl
y_windows_pc_sales.html
The mere fact they are talking about it shows there IS cause for
alarm....

The "piece of junk", as Stevie J puts it will sell 22,000,000 in 2009,
according to Forbes Magazine, where the money is:
http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/05/04/netbook-sales-will-soar-
to-22-million-in-2009-idc/

From Forbes - fair use.....

"Meanwhile, Apple’s market share is shrinking, and Mac sales fell last
quarter for the first time in five and a half years.

“Vendors are waking up to the fact that people respond to so-called
‘good-enough’ computing,” Jay Chou, research analyst at IDC, told Shah.
“They don’t really need all the power of a Core 2 Duo CPU most of the
time.”

Steve Jobs famously dismissed netbooks as “a piece of junk,” a sentiment
echoed two weeks ago by COO Tim Cook.

“It’s not a space as it exists today that we are interested in,”
Cook told analysts during Apple’s most recent earnings call. “Nor do we
believe that customers in the long term would be interested in.”"


Wasn't Air supposed to make them all yesterday's story? That didn't
work, either.......
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Larry

Just like Americans have collectively decided $30,000 is too much for an
American car....They seem to have decided >$400 is too much for a
laptop, especially one that SHOVES VISTA DOWN THEIR THROATS. I think
netbook sales are DRIVEN by Windows XP!

I've seen a new term with netbooks......"fast enough computing"....fast
enough for the 99% of the users on 7Mbps pinholes to the internet....

A dual core computer looking at webpages and reading emails and VoIP is
just STUPID! YouTube looks just as good on a $399 netbook as it does on
a Quad-Core, 12.5Ghz, overclocked monster with 16GB RAM and a RAID array
cooled with liquid Freon....
Larry
2009-05-22 06:09:27 UTC
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Post by Todd Allcock
Arguably the "netbook" is already dead, replaced by very low-end
laptops in a smaller form factor.
The FACTS......Apple down.....Acer (netbooks) UP!
http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=939015
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Larry

Do it by the NUMBERS!

Apple down to 7.1%
Acer up to 13.6% (from 9.1% a rise of 49.9%)

Amazon's #1 selling computer is an Acer netbook...
......running Windows XP......not Vista.
(this last line is a very important point)
Larry
2009-05-22 05:42:55 UTC
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Post by Lloyd Parsons
Primarily netbooks it seems. I wonder how long this particular
flash-in-the-pan will take to go away?
Don't hold your breath. Everyone who sees the Samsung NC10 in action, even
without the touchscreen I installed, wants one. Prices are dropping on all
of them, now.

$389 delivered to your door....
http://www.buydig.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=SAMNPNC10KA03

The offbrands are a hundred dollars less but don't have the Samsung's
features like the scrolling, multitouch pad, bigger keyboard, 10.1"
display.

Netbooks are what laptops SHOULD be, not those battery eating monsters
they're making, now.

They're not going away....They're getting bigger.

$1500 for a laptop is insanely stupid.

I'm dual-booting Ubuntu with the native XPSP3 that came on it. Wish I
could get my Micro$oft money back. Ubuntu's much better if it has the
software you want to run and the drivers for your USB toys.
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Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?
Elmo P. Shagnasty
2009-05-22 12:09:47 UTC
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Post by Larry
Everyone who sees the Samsung NC10 in action, even
without the touchscreen I installed, wants one.
Where's the webcam?

nospam
2009-05-20 23:22:06 UTC
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Post by SMS
By the same token, why is Apple losing market share again? Sales are
down across the board because of the economy. The relative market share
of Apple is down because people are buying less expensive alternatives.
that's false. they did have a weak quarter but it wasn't as bad as
some might think.

<http://www.macworld.com/article/140029/2009/04/pcshipments.html>

Apple's market share rose from 7.4 percent in 2008 to 7.6 percent in
the first quarter of 2009, according to the IDC report.
Larry
2009-05-22 06:19:38 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by SMS
By the same token, why is Apple losing market share again? Sales are
down across the board because of the economy. The relative market share
of Apple is down because people are buying less expensive
alternatives.
Post by nospam
that's false. they did have a weak quarter but it wasn't as bad as
some might think.
<http://www.macworld.com/article/140029/2009/04/pcshipments.html>
Apple's market share rose from 7.4 percent in 2008 to 7.6 percent in
the first quarter of 2009, according to the IDC report.
You gotta quit reading those Apple ads!

Gartner Research, used by Wall Street to invest trillions says:
http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=939015

Apple DROPPED 1.1% from 7.5 to 7.4%
Acer ROSE 49.9% from 9.1 to 13.6% of total US sales.
(Table 2)

Amazon's #1 selling computer is an Acer Aspire One NETBOOK!
...and that computer runs WinXP....NOT Vista, which I think is very
significant.
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Larry

You don't think the Apple discounting going on is because Steve is sick
and the other guys are just trying to be nice to you, do you??

Why would anyone pay $849 for a Macbook stripped down to the just
bootable level??
http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/05/03/would-you-pay-849-for-a-
new-macbook/

Not everybody is enthralled with $1000 notebooks with one button.
nospam
2009-05-22 09:56:30 UTC
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Post by Larry
Post by nospam
Apple's market share rose from 7.4 percent in 2008 to 7.6 percent in
the first quarter of 2009, according to the IDC report.
http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=939015
Apple DROPPED 1.1% from 7.5 to 7.4%
you might want to use a calculator next time. nevertheless, one source
says 7.4->7.6 and another says 7.5->7.4. hardly significant. they're
all estimates anyway.
nospam
2009-05-20 23:22:04 UTC
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Post by SMS
I wish Apple would offer some sort of student discounts for elementary
and middle school students.
they do
Post by SMS
I be happy to have a Mac in the house if it
was $500.
a mac mini is $599, less for a refurb
Post by SMS
Even going to Pystar, you're at $1000 once you configure it to
be usable. Those Microsoft television commercials are very accurate when
it comes to pointing out the cost differences.
they're not at all accurate, and highly deceptive.
Post by SMS
I'm quite pleased with Vegas. It was only $30 (after rebate of course),
and it's a far better video editor than Movie Maker or iMovie.
depends which version of imovie. apple gutted it 2 years ago.
Elmo P. Shagnasty
2009-05-21 02:02:42 UTC
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Post by nospam
Post by SMS
I be happy to have a Mac in the house if it
was $500.
a mac mini is $599, less for a refurb
$400 at Micro Center.
nospam
2009-05-18 21:32:41 UTC
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Post by SMS
It depends how you view your iPhone. If you got it partly because of the
audio and video playback capability, then it's quite reasonable to
expect that you'd want storage capacity equivalent to the iPod Classic
or Zune.
except that the best selling devices are not the ipod classic or zune.
Post by SMS
Remember that the iPhone can't officially download and store
files via WiFi or 3G so you can't store music or video off line and
download it as needed unless you have the desktop or notebook with you
(or unless it's jail-broken).
once again, wrong. there are apps that will do that without the need
to jailbreak.
nospam
2009-05-18 21:32:31 UTC
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Post by SMS
In any case, it was a ridiculous response. The iPod Classic uses a small
hard drive, and the people that choose it over a flash based model do so
because they want more space for media files.
not that many choose it. *that* is the point.
Post by SMS
You've seen the sleeves with extra batteries inside, if only it were
possible to build a sleeve with a small HD or some flash slots.
might be possible with 3.0
Post by SMS
Reliability isn't the issue, you already have sufficient reliability
problems with both the iPhone and the iPod.
it absolutely is the issue. hard drives fail *far* more than flash
does, and even assuming your bogus claim about 'sufficient reliability
problems' is true, why make it worse?
Post by SMS
Size is certainly an issue,
but that would be the choice of the buyer to purchase a model with much
greater storage or slightly thinner size.
buyers have shown by their choices in the last five years that the
large size ipods are not what is important to them. the best selling
ipods have been the minis and nanos. most people want small, not high
capacity. apple even said as much with the 160 gig ipod classic not
selling all that well and cutting back to 120 gig.
nospam
2009-05-18 21:32:34 UTC
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Post by Larry
These are starting to pop up now, with users comparing notes which is
always dangerous to profits....
http://www.iphonefail.org/
all i see are software issues, not hardware failures, and more
importantly, no indication of what percentage of total units have the
problems.
Post by Larry
How soon we forget our short history...
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=9596
how soon we overlook that was due to a very buggy firmware that has
long been fixed. nice try though.
ZnU
2009-05-18 17:38:19 UTC
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Post by SMS
Post by Todd Allcock
Well, since 16GB cards are available, you could double the capacity of a
16GB iPhone for about $80, and use the slot to access your digital
camera's pictures for emailing or whatever without the need for a computer.
In my area, Fry's has had 16GB MicroSD cards on sale for a lot less than
$80.
It's surprising that Apple hasn't done an iPhone "Classic" with a 120GB
HD. They could just make that version a little thicker. Maybe it's a
battery issue.
It's a demand issue. Remember when Apple introduced the iPod mini?
Analysts thought they were insane -- they were selling a new iPod that
was only slightly cheaper and slightly smaller than their existing
models, but with 1/4 of the storage.

A year later it was Apple's best selling model (and by extension the
best selling music player in the world), when Apple canceled it and
replaced it with the solid state iPod nano, which had even *less*
storage... and sold even better.

Riding the NYC subway on a regular basis is a pretty good way to get a
feel for what sort of gadgets people are using. iPod nanos and Touches
are everywhere, as are iPhones. I can't recall the last time I saw a
"classic" iPod that wasn't an old model; I just don't think many people
still want hard drive based players.
--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
Larry
2009-05-18 16:18:06 UTC
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Post by Todd Allcock
Well, since 16GB cards are available, you could double the capacity of
a 16GB iPhone for about $80, and use the slot to access your digital
camera's pictures for emailing or whatever without the need for a computer.
http://www.buy.com/prod/kingston-16gb-secure-digital-high-capacity-sdhc-
card-class-4-kingston/q/loc/101/206865168.html
$34.99 delivered to your door...unless Apple does its usual proprietary
bullshit to prevent its booting....

Just put two of them into my 3rd Nokia N800 Linux tablet and they're really
fast from Kingston....work great!
Post by Todd Allcock
I get the whole 'defending Apple's design decision' thing- certainly a
slot would add a little unwanted volume, and it could be argued
(weakly!) that the disadvantages outweigh the advantages, but to
pretend the idea of a card slot is just so unnecessary as to be
preposterous, is more than a wee bit disingenuous.
They'll have plenty of room on the Verizon model because they can put the
SD card slot where the stupid SIM card goes on ATT/T-mobile. CDMA doesn't
use it......(c;]

Next apologist excuses will follow.....
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Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?
SMS
2009-05-18 16:33:14 UTC
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Post by Larry
Post by Todd Allcock
Well, since 16GB cards are available, you could double the capacity of
a 16GB iPhone for about $80, and use the slot to access your digital
camera's pictures for emailing or whatever without the need for a computer.
http://www.buy.com/prod/kingston-16gb-secure-digital-high-capacity-sdhc-
card-class-4-kingston/q/loc/101/206865168.html
$34.99 delivered to your door...unless Apple does its usual proprietary
bullshit to prevent its booting....
Fry's has similar prices when they put the 16GB cards on sale. The 8GB
cards go on sale for $20.
Post by Larry
They'll have plenty of room on the Verizon model because they can put the
SD card slot where the stupid SIM card goes on ATT/T-mobile. CDMA doesn't
use it......(c;]
Next apologist excuses will follow.....
Well I'm no apologist, but Apple's design philosophy is a minimal amount
of ports, slots, access doors, etc, all of which tend to break or let
stuff inside.

As a web access device with a phone and iPod, that philosophy made some
sense, but now as they try to move into the smart phone market, it's
become a real problem with some ridiculous workarounds, many of which
require jail breaking.
Larry
2009-05-18 17:07:53 UTC
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Post by SMS
As a web access device with a phone and iPod, that philosophy made some
sense, but now as they try to move into the smart phone market, it's
become a real problem with some ridiculous workarounds, many of which
require jail breaking.
Most of the posts and complaints are all about trying to circumvent
Apple, ATT and RIAA's attempts to turn the PoS into a pocket box office,
where you pay and pay and pay to buy it and use it. Apps, music, video,
TV, webapps...pay, pay, pay.

So, the users become obsessed with circumventing this
process...jailbreaking, hacking, etc.

What I don't understand is this fascination with this expensive little
box office when there are so many wonderful alternatives that AREN'T
pay, pay, pay based! The psychology involved in recruiting and KEEPING
such a large population of google-eyed fans constantly being hit for
pay, pay, pay is a real credit to the ad industry. They've even got the
news programs mesmerized into only talking about Applesauce products,
never mentioning better alternatives that aren't hobbled all up like
iPhone, iPod, Touch.

It's incredible to watch. Every few months, you can spoon feed these
drooling fans a "new and improved" new model (3.0) and they'll be all
standing in line in the rain and cold gloating they are the first to own
one...even though 3 months later it will be an "old model" nearly
worthless as 4.0 has so many more features that are spoon-fed in tiny
increments.

Who'd ever thought we'd see a COMPUTER device WITHOUT multitasking or
cut-and-paste in 2009?! Who'd ever thought they could SELL it to REPEAT
customers!!
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Larry

Too bad XM and Sirius didn't employ Apple's psychology firms, early on,
to create this kind of aura over satellite radio.....
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=siri
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=aapl
Elmo P. Shagnasty
2009-05-18 17:40:51 UTC
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Post by Larry
What I don't understand is this fascination with this expensive little
box office when there are so many wonderful alternatives that AREN'T
pay, pay, pay based!
Part of the problem is that your "wonderful alternatives" come out
looking like this:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_26CFEHYphXI/R7x2yldi9qI/AAAAAAAAAWs/hHMYurkbyKg
/s320/docbrown.jpg
Larry
2009-05-18 19:26:54 UTC
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Post by Elmo P. Shagnasty
Part of the problem is that your "wonderful alternatives" come out
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_26CFEHYphXI/R7x2yldi9qI/AAAAAAAAAWs/hHMYurkbyKg
/s320/docbrown.jpg


How horrible.....
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Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?
nospam
2009-05-18 21:32:38 UTC
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Post by Larry
Who'd ever thought we'd see a COMPUTER device WITHOUT multitasking or
cut-and-paste in 2009?! Who'd ever thought they could SELL it to REPEAT
customers!!
it has multitasking, and copy/paste has been added. it wasn't as high
of a priority as you may have liked (not that you would ever buy one so
why does it matter anyway).
ZnU
2009-05-18 17:33:57 UTC
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Post by Todd Allcock
Post by nospam
why would anyone want to carry a pocket full of sd cards when they can
load up the iphone with everything they want? 16 gig on the iphone and
32 gig on the ipod touch holds quite a bit.
Well, since 16GB cards are available, you could double the capacity of a
16GB iPhone for about $80, and use the slot to access your digital
camera's pictures for emailing or whatever without the need for a computer.
I get the whole 'defending Apple's design decision' thing- certainly a
slot would add a little unwanted volume, and it could be argued (weakly!)
that the disadvantages outweigh the advantages, but to pretend the idea
of a card slot is just so unnecessary as to be preposterous, is more than
a wee bit disingenuous.
It's a classic case of a bunch of gearheads pushing for something that
regular people don't really care about.

And there are a bunch of issues with respect to adding a card slot that
nobody really seems to be evaluating. Forget the hardware issues. What
about software? You'd need to add UI in various places to control what
was on the card vs. the internal storage, which one you were browsing,
whether data synced with the phone went to internal storage or the card,
etc.
--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
Larry
2009-05-18 01:09:25 UTC
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Post by nospam
the bottom line is that you have a shitload of mistakes.
Man! Even a Christian apologist isn't THIS thorough!...it's a shitload,
all right....a shitload of apologies and excuses....
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Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?
Jim Higgins
2009-05-18 00:06:20 UTC
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Post by i***@gmail.com
iPhone FAQ rev 3.00
<snip>

Your FAQ is NOT needed in a Verizon ng. Maybe in a Mac group but
nowhere else.
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Not Me
2009-05-18 00:12:54 UTC
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iPhone FAQ rev 3.00
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Your FAQ is NOT needed in a Verizon ng. Maybe in a Mac group but
nowhere else.
Fair warning, since VZ users may soon have a choice to dismiss the
feature-challenged (but shiny) iToy.
Larry
2009-05-18 01:12:34 UTC
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Post by Jim Higgins
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iPhone FAQ rev 3.00
<snip>
Your FAQ is NOT needed in a Verizon ng. Maybe in a Mac group but
nowhere else.
Fair warning, since VZ users may soon have a choice to dismiss the
feature-challenged (but shiny) iToy.
Just WAIT til you see what features iToy doesn't have after VERIZON
WIRELESS installs THEIR hobbleware into it!.....
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News
2009-05-18 01:15:46 UTC
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Post by Larry
Post by Not Me
Post by Jim Higgins
Post by i***@gmail.com
iPhone FAQ rev 3.00
<snip>
Your FAQ is NOT needed in a Verizon ng. Maybe in a Mac group but
nowhere else.
Fair warning, since VZ users may soon have a choice to dismiss the
feature-challenged (but shiny) iToy.
Just WAIT til you see what features iToy doesn't have after VERIZON
WIRELESS installs THEIR hobbleware into it!.....
Brutal...
Larry
2009-05-18 01:43:10 UTC
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Post by News
Post by Larry
Just WAIT til you see what features iToy doesn't have after VERIZON
WIRELESS installs THEIR hobbleware into it!.....
Brutal...
$20 says it boots to Vcast....(c;]
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SMS
2009-05-18 03:40:38 UTC
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Larry wrote:
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Post by Larry
Just WAIT til you see what features iToy doesn't have after VERIZON
WIRELESS installs THEIR hobbleware into it!.....
Yes, the not so funny joke was that the reason that Verizon turned down
Apple was because Verizon was mad that Apple was doing all the
de-featuring, leaving Verizon no functionality to remove from the handset.
nospam
2009-05-18 03:44:13 UTC
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Post by Larry
Just WAIT til you see what features iToy doesn't have after VERIZON
WIRELESS installs THEIR hobbleware into it!.....
Yes, the not so funny joke was that the reason that Verizon turned down
Apple was because Verizon was mad that Apple was doing all the
de-featuring, leaving Verizon no functionality to remove from the handset.
you'd think that they'd be happy their work was already done. too bad
you're making shit up, as always. you weren't at the meetings so you
have no clue what the reasons were. and it's impossible to defeature a
product that previously did not exist.
News
2009-05-18 11:02:51 UTC
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Post by SMS
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Post by Larry
Just WAIT til you see what features iToy doesn't have after VERIZON
WIRELESS installs THEIR hobbleware into it!.....
Yes, the not so funny joke was that the reason that Verizon turned down
Apple was because Verizon was mad that Apple was doing all the
de-featuring, leaving Verizon no functionality to remove from the handset.
LOL
Richard B. Gilbert
2009-05-18 00:11:08 UTC
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Post by Jim Higgins
Post by i***@gmail.com
iPhone FAQ rev 3.00
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Your FAQ is NOT needed in a Verizon ng. Maybe in a Mac group but
nowhere else.
Do you think he really cares? If he had a clue he wouldn't have posted
his garbage here in the first place.

Verizon Wireless will support the iPhone when hell freezes!
SMS
2009-05-18 00:23:40 UTC
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Post by Richard B. Gilbert
Verizon Wireless will support the iPhone when hell freezes!
Apple will either have a CDMA iPhone the instant the exclusivity
agreement expires with AT&T, or they'll get a huge payment from AT&T to
renew the exclusivity agreement. With other smart phones now outselling
the iPhone by a significant margin, Apple really can't afford to write
off 50% of the wireless customers in the U.S..
Larry
2009-05-18 00:56:24 UTC
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Choose carefully,
For once, I'm speechless.........

It's like watching a Southern Baptist fawning over Jesus.....(c;]

What a piece of shit!

Suckers....(c;]
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Larry
2009-05-18 00:57:30 UTC
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ž 2009 Ira J. Schechtman. Ira J. Schechtman is a technology expert
specializing in smart phones. Contact him at
Fess up, Ira! How much Apple stock you holding?

Come on....tell 'em!
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