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150,000 Android Apps Predicted By End Of 2010
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Edwin
2010-05-05 18:50:09 UTC
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"150,000 Android Apps Predicted By End Of 2010
by Carl Channon on December 26th, 2009"

"I’m sure you’ll agree the Android market is constantly growing with a
reportedly 20,000+ apps and games already in the marketplace. Well
according to mobile analytics firm Flurry in an interview with ‘Business
Week‘, they predict their could be a whopping 150,000 apps this time next
year."

"Chief Executive Officer of Flurry ‘Simon Khalaf’ said because of efforts
by Verizon Wireless, Motorola Inc. and Google to promote the system “A lot
of developers have come onto the Android platform”."

"He goes on to say Apple’s site for its iPhone and iPod touch devices “may
have at least 300,000 applications by the end of next year. Google will
have 100,000 to 150,000″"

"Very interesting considering the predicted momentum of growth for
Android’s marketplace is huge, 4 – 6 times the size it is now in fact.
Though Apple’s app store is considered to be larger in apps I believe “it’s
quality, not quantity” that counts. We’ll have to wait and see what 2010
brings however either way I’m looking forward to what Android overall has
to offer!"

"What do you think? Is this prediction from Flurry what you’d expect for
the Android Marketplace in 2010?"

http://phandroid.com/2009/12/26/150000-android-apps-predicted-for-end-of-2010/
Lloyd Parsons
2010-05-05 19:13:09 UTC
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Post by Edwin
"150,000 Android Apps Predicted By End Of 2010
by Carl Channon on December 26th, 2009"
"Im sure youll agree the Android market is constantly growing with a
reportedly 20,000+ apps and games already in the marketplace. Well
according to mobile analytics firm Flurry in an interview with Business
Week, they predict their could be a whopping 150,000 apps this time next
year."
"Chief Executive Officer of Flurry Simon Khalaf said because of efforts
by Verizon Wireless, Motorola Inc. and Google to promote the system A lot
of developers have come onto the Android platform."
"He goes on to say Apples site for its iPhone and iPod touch devices may
have at least 300,000 applications by the end of next year. Google will
have 100,000 to 150,000″"
"Very interesting considering the predicted momentum of growth for
Android’s marketplace is huge, 4  6 times the size it is now in fact.
Though Apples app store is considered to be larger in apps I believe its
quality, not quantity that counts. Well have to wait and see what 2010
brings however either way Im looking forward to what Android overall has
to offer!"
"What do you think? Is this prediction from Flurry what youd expect for
the Android Marketplace in 2010?"
http://phandroid.com/2009/12/26/150000-android-apps-predicted-for-end-of-2010/
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'? Apple controls what goes into the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
--
Lloyd
Moshe
2010-05-05 19:21:36 UTC
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Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'? Apple controls what goes into the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
One look at the just released Linux Ubuntu 10.04 is all it takes
to see the "quality" applications that the OSS world is known for.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa!

Just like with Linux, the Android is going to be like the wild,
wild west with 100's of different varieties that are all different
enough as to make them incompatible with each other.

Linux users, aka freetards, call it choice.
Most people call it fragmentation and confusion.

Too many Indians and not enough chiefs.
Rex Ballard
2010-05-06 22:47:51 UTC
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Post by Moshe
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls what goes into the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
One look at the just released Linux Ubuntu 10.04 is all it takes
to see the "quality" applications that the OSS world is known for.
Even I was a bit surprised with some of the problems with Ubuntu 10.04
I think Cononical jumped the shark with this release.

Time to go back to Fedora or OpenSUSE
Post by Moshe
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa!
Fortunately, that was probably a worst case scenario. The real
turkeys don't come out that often.
I hope Canonical gets it together before people get burned really
badly.
It almost looks like sabotage.
Post by Moshe
Just like with Linux, the Android is going to be like the wild,
wild west with 100's of different varieties that are all different
enough as to make them incompatible with each other.
I spent about an hour looking at those Android apps. It looks like a
lot of them are Web2.0 and Dojo apps. More like web shortcuts than
actual stand-alone applications.

I wonder if any of those 100,000 applications will be command line
programs? I wouldn't mind.
The Sharp Zaurus had a shell window if you wanted it, and you could do
the same thing you could on a big Linux box, but it was a bit hard to
read the tiny screen and type on the tiny keyboard.
Post by Moshe
Linux users, aka freetards, call it choice.
This is starting to remind me of the arguments and strategies used by
Prodigy, Compuserve, and AOL to keep users "Captive" - as they quickly
lost control to super-nets of Linux powered dial-up servers connected
to each other and to the high speed backbones. Many eventually became
the dial-up providers for ISPs. Eventually, AOL contracted with the
super-nets, letting customers use the AOL "browser" to connect to the
super-net dial-ups, to connect to any web site - but also having the
option of AOL short-cuts.

Eventually search engines and portal sites like Yahoo, Lycos, and
Google reduced the need for "protected" (restricted to paying
providers) services.
Post by Moshe
Most people call it fragmentation and confusion.
I suppose you hate Google and Yahoo too.
Post by Moshe
Too many Indians and not enough chiefs.
I suppose your one of those people who can't figure out why the
project is going so slowly, so you add a 10th project manager to help
your 3 programmers work faster.

Floggings will continue until moral improves?

A true Wintroll!
Moshe
2010-05-06 23:07:22 UTC
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Post by Rex Ballard
Post by Moshe
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls what goes into the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
One look at the just released Linux Ubuntu 10.04 is all it takes
to see the "quality" applications that the OSS world is known for.
Even I was a bit surprised with some of the problems with Ubuntu 10.04
I think Cononical jumped the shark with this release.
Time to go back to Fedora or OpenSUSE
PCLinuxOS seems to be getting very good reviews.
Certainly not the massive amount of problems Ubuntu 10.04 is
getting hit with.
Post by Rex Ballard
Post by Moshe
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa!
Fortunately, that was probably a worst case scenario. The real
turkeys don't come out that often.
I hope Canonical gets it together before people get burned really
badly.
It almost looks like sabotage.
It's horrible.
This release is awful.
Post by Rex Ballard
Post by Moshe
Just like with Linux, the Android is going to be like the wild,
wild west with 100's of different varieties that are all different
enough as to make them incompatible with each other.
I spent about an hour looking at those Android apps. It looks like a
lot of them are Web2.0 and Dojo apps. More like web shortcuts than
actual stand-alone applications.
I admit I am totally confused.
I'm looking at Verizon Droid phones and I can't tell which apps
will work with them and which will not.

Of course Verizon is useless for support.
Post by Rex Ballard
I wonder if any of those 100,000 applications will be command line
programs? I wouldn't mind.
About 5.....
Nobody but geeks want that crap.
Post by Rex Ballard
The Sharp Zaurus had a shell window if you wanted it, and you could do
the same thing you could on a big Linux box, but it was a bit hard to
read the tiny screen and type on the tiny keyboard.
And nobody really cared.
Post by Rex Ballard
Post by Moshe
Linux users, aka freetards, call it choice.
This is starting to remind me of the arguments and strategies used by
Prodigy, Compuserve, and AOL to keep users "Captive" - as they quickly
lost control to super-nets of Linux powered dial-up servers connected
to each other and to the high speed backbones. Many eventually became
the dial-up providers for ISPs. Eventually, AOL contracted with the
super-nets, letting customers use the AOL "browser" to connect to the
super-net dial-ups, to connect to any web site - but also having the
option of AOL short-cuts.
Eventually search engines and portal sites like Yahoo, Lycos, and
Google reduced the need for "protected" (restricted to paying
providers) services.
It's a mess.
How can you call it anything but?

Compare it to the "controlled" world of the iPhone apps?
Things just seem to work in that arena.
Post by Rex Ballard
Post by Moshe
Most people call it fragmentation and confusion.
I suppose you hate Google and Yahoo too.
I hate Google because I suspect it want's to be the anti-christ.
Their medical records blunder was the final straw.
I do not and have never trusted them.

Yahoo?

Insignificant these days.
Post by Rex Ballard
Post by Moshe
Too many Indians and not enough chiefs.
I suppose your one of those people who can't figure out why the
project is going so slowly, so you add a 10th project manager to help
your 3 programmers work faster.
No.
That's what IBM teaches you.

I fire everyone excpet the person with the good ideas and start
over.
I make him or her the manager.

That's why I retired at 40 years old and you are still sworking
for IBM and starving.

Hey I heard they ditched the "Thanks" program.
Oh well, guess you will have to get your sweat shirts somewhere
else.

Try India because that's what the I in IBM is about to become.
Post by Rex Ballard
Floggings will continue until moral improves?
A true Wintroll!
No.
That's the IBM method.
Different strokes for different folks.

Whatever happened to IBM's respect for the individual?
I suspect that individual is now named Sandeep and lives in a tent
in Pakistan.
chrisv
2010-05-07 12:46:40 UTC
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Post by Moshe
Linux users, aka freetards, call it choice.
It is. The Ubuntu folks should be allowed to do it their way, and
whoever doesn't like it can go somewhere else. No doubt, many people
do prefer a more conservative approach.

Freedom is not perfect in every way. Freedom has it's downside, and
totalitarianism has it's upside. That doesn't mean that we should
give-up freedom.
Post by Moshe
Most people call it fragmentation and confusion.
Nope. You are lying.
One Shot, One Kill
2010-05-07 17:12:47 UTC
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"chrisv" <***@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...


chrisv is a scumbag liar. chrisv is a piece of shit.
Lyrik
2010-05-06 23:28:29 UTC
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Post by Moshe
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls what goes into the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
One look at the just released Linux Ubuntu 10.04 is all it takes
to see the "quality" applications that the OSS world is known for.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa!
Just like with Linux, the Android is going to be like the wild,
wild west with 100's of different varieties that are all different
enough as to make them incompatible with each other.
Linux users, aka freetards, call it choice.
Most people call it fragmentation and confusion.
Too many Indians and not enough chiefs.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Well You are close.. Android is Linux! The OS behind Android is Linux.
Android is the GUI on the phone. Programs are written in Java, which a
multitude of programmers excel in. Iphone OS is OS-X. Programs are
written in Objective - C a proprietary environment.
As Linux is already the brain behind nearly every hardware device on
this planet, it looks very promising as the OS behind Android! The
restrictions on iPhones Objective -C, are among other things, that
virtual machines are not allowed, further more programmers that up
until now has worked on a solution to run Java apps on the Iphone
don't seam to be allowed to succeed. The Flash projects towards the
iPhone are already strangulated. And the restrictions grow every day.
With this restricted Apple politics, that spills hard work an slaps
the programmers face for trying to support the iPhone, I will expect a
strong trend of support for Android instead. Android being open source
and none restricted.

Jens
Moshe
2010-05-06 23:33:32 UTC
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Post by Lyrik
Post by Moshe
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls what goes into the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
One look at the just released Linux Ubuntu 10.04 is all it takes
to see the "quality" applications that the OSS world is known for.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa!
Just like with Linux, the Android is going to be like the wild,
wild west with 100's of different varieties that are all different
enough as to make them incompatible with each other.
Linux users, aka freetards, call it choice.
Most people call it fragmentation and confusion.
Too many Indians and not enough chiefs.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Well You are close.. Android is Linux! The OS behind Android is Linux.
Android is the GUI on the phone. Programs are written in Java, which a
multitude of programmers excel in. Iphone OS is OS-X. Programs are
written in Objective - C a proprietary environment.
As Linux is already the brain behind nearly every hardware device on
this planet, it looks very promising as the OS behind Android! The
restrictions on iPhones Objective -C, are among other things, that
virtual machines are not allowed, further more programmers that up
until now has worked on a solution to run Java apps on the Iphone
don't seam to be allowed to succeed. The Flash projects towards the
iPhone are already strangulated. And the restrictions grow every day.
With this restricted Apple politics, that spills hard work an slaps
the programmers face for trying to support the iPhone, I will expect a
strong trend of support for Android instead. Android being open source
and none restricted.
Jens
But yet the iPhone etc continues to grow in leaps and bounds.

Same for all the Apple devices.

Show me a new automobile that says @Sandisk compatible@ or
similar?
They all say iPod capable.

That's known as a standard, albeit a defacto standard but a
standard none the less.

The problem with Linux is that it is a mess.
There is no organization.
People, average people, don't give a hoot about open source or
source code.
They just want apps that work.

Take a look at sourceforge and see what garbage is being offered.
It's 99.99 percent geek stuff.

Linux has lost before it even starts.
Hadron
2010-05-07 14:42:57 UTC
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Post by Moshe
Take a look at sourceforge and see what garbage is being offered.
It's 99.99 percent geek stuff.
Linux has lost before it even starts.
Take a read of this : imagine some poor naive new Android user NOT
checking the review before installing this junk :-

http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-yourkey-app-zxCj.aspx

I had similar with a now uninstalled speed dial app : I couldnt make any
calls! it should have been called "OpenMoko" not "speed dial" or
whatever it was called.
ZnU
2010-05-07 03:39:42 UTC
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In article
Post by Lyrik
Post by Moshe
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls what goes into the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
One look at the just released Linux Ubuntu 10.04 is all it takes
to see the "quality" applications that the OSS world is known for.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa!
Just like with Linux, the Android is going to be like the wild,
wild west with 100's of different varieties that are all different
enough as to make them incompatible with each other.
Linux users, aka freetards, call it choice.
Most people call it fragmentation and confusion.
Too many Indians and not enough chiefs.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Well You are close.. Android is Linux! The OS behind Android is Linux.
Android is the GUI on the phone. Programs are written in Java, which a
multitude of programmers excel in. Iphone OS is OS-X. Programs are
written in Objective - C a proprietary environment.
Objective-C isn't proprietary. The Cocoa API is unique to OS X, but much
of Android development uses APIs that are unique to Android as well;
Android apps are not generic Java applications.

And it's quite possible to write most of an iPhone app in C or C++, and
only use Objective-C for UI and for interacting with the rest of the
system.
Post by Lyrik
As Linux is already the brain behind nearly every hardware device on
this planet, it looks very promising as the OS behind Android! The
restrictions on iPhones Objective -C, are among other things, that
virtual machines are not allowed, further more programmers that up
until now has worked on a solution to run Java apps on the Iphone
don't seam to be allowed to succeed. The Flash projects towards the
iPhone are already strangulated. And the restrictions grow every day.
With this restricted Apple politics, that spills hard work an slaps
the programmers face for trying to support the iPhone, I will expect a
strong trend of support for Android instead. Android being open source
and none restricted.
Before making that prediction you should probably consider some of the
steps Apple has taken to allow developers to actually monetize their
work (and the success that many developers have had doing just that),
and consider whether most developers are more interested in open source
philosophy or in getting paid.
--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
John Slade
2010-05-07 00:23:21 UTC
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Post by Moshe
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'? Apple controls what goes into the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
One look at the just released Linux Ubuntu 10.04 is all it takes
to see the "quality" applications that the OSS world is known for.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa!
Just like with Linux, the Android is going to be like the wild,
wild west with 100's of different varieties that are all different
enough as to make them incompatible with each other.
Linux users, aka freetards, call it choice.
Most people call it fragmentation and confusion.
Too many Indians and not enough chiefs.
And you wonder why nobody hardly uses Macs for servers.
Linux is used a lot more than OS X. The thing is OS X is based
on Unix and can run Unix free applications, so you kind of have
to include OS X in that "freetard" group.

Many Mac zealots are confused by three or four choices.

John
Moshe
2010-05-07 00:29:14 UTC
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Post by John Slade
Post by Moshe
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'? Apple controls what goes into the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
One look at the just released Linux Ubuntu 10.04 is all it takes
to see the "quality" applications that the OSS world is known for.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa!
Just like with Linux, the Android is going to be like the wild,
wild west with 100's of different varieties that are all different
enough as to make them incompatible with each other.
Linux users, aka freetards, call it choice.
Most people call it fragmentation and confusion.
Too many Indians and not enough chiefs.
And you wonder why nobody hardly uses Macs for servers.
Linux is used a lot more than OS X. The thing is OS X is based
on Unix and can run Unix free applications, so you kind of have
to include OS X in that "freetard" group.
Many Mac zealots are confused by three or four choices.
John
Different OS for different folks.

For a server, Linux is a good thing IMHO.

For a desktop Linux is a train wreck and OSX is much better.

The problem with Linux is not 3 or 4 choices, it's 500+ choices
and an army of zealots where each one is promoting his own
version.

It's a total clusterfuck and Android is starting to experience
that right now.

Too bad for them.

The open source community will ruin the platform.
You watch and see.
Lewis
2010-05-07 01:25:47 UTC
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Post by Moshe
For a desktop Linux is a train wreck and OSX is much better.
Not only is OSX better as a desktop, but it can be a desktop AND
simultaneously be a server.
--
Overhead, without any fuss, the stars were going out.
Moshe
2010-05-07 01:39:52 UTC
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Post by Lewis
Post by Moshe
For a desktop Linux is a train wreck and OSX is much better.
Not only is OSX better as a desktop, but it can be a desktop AND
simultaneously be a server.
Yep.
I know several publishing companies that are doing just that.
Linux need not apply.
An Old Friend
2010-05-07 19:02:39 UTC
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Post by Lewis
Post by Moshe
For a desktop Linux is a train wreck and OSX is much better.
Not only is OSX better as a desktop, but it can be a desktop AND
simultaneously be a server.
Yep.
I know several publishing companies that are doing just that. Linux need
not apply.
The last publishing company I worked for was doing that ... but they were
also QuarkXPress enthusiasts, and were keeping up a lot of old hardware
that could boot into OS 9.1 so they could keep using QuarkXPress 4.0. (I
could be wrong on the version, but I know it was a pre OSX version that
didn't run well under OSX's Classic mode.) The OSX server was the easiest
solution for keeping the 9.1 computers and the newer OSX only computers
connected.

I'm not sure if they've finally upgraded ... they were very reluctant to
try anything else because of the retraining that would have to be done,
and the subsequent loss of quality in the product during the retraining
time.
Rick
2010-05-07 04:36:26 UTC
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Post by Lewis
Post by Moshe
For a desktop Linux is a train wreck and OSX is much better.
Not only is OSX better as a desktop, but it can be a desktop AND
simultaneously be a server.
.. and a Linux based distro can't?
--
Rick
Snit
2010-05-07 05:11:55 UTC
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Post by Rick
Post by Lewis
Post by Moshe
For a desktop Linux is a train wreck and OSX is much better.
Not only is OSX better as a desktop, but it can be a desktop AND
simultaneously be a server.
.. and a Linux based distro can't?
It can be a great server but it cannot be as good of a desktop. Yeah, I
know, you will deny this... and then fail to explain why *free* Linux has
done so poorly on the desktop. Don't forget your mantras... and whining!
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Edwin
2010-05-07 16:36:30 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Rick
Post by Lewis
Post by Moshe
For a desktop Linux is a train wreck and OSX is much better.
Not only is OSX better as a desktop, but it can be a desktop AND
simultaneously be a server.
.. and a Linux based distro can't?
It can be a great server but it cannot be as good of a desktop.
It can be outside of the Snit Circus.
Post by Snit
Yeah, I
know, you will deny this... and then fail to explain why *free* Linux has
done so poorly on the desktop. Don't forget your mantras... and whining!
I see the show in the main ring of the Snit Circus is well under way...
Snit
2010-05-07 17:02:53 UTC
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Post by Edwin
Post by Snit
Post by Rick
Post by Lewis
Post by Moshe
For a desktop Linux is a train wreck and OSX is much better.
Not only is OSX better as a desktop, but it can be a desktop AND
simultaneously be a server.
.. and a Linux based distro can't?
It can be a great server but it cannot be as good of a desktop.
It can be outside of the Snit Circus.
Post by Snit
Yeah, I
know, you will deny this... and then fail to explain why *free* Linux has
done so poorly on the desktop. Don't forget your mantras... and whining!
I see the show in the main ring of the Snit Circus is well under way...
Why so much begging from you?
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Lewis
2010-05-07 21:00:16 UTC
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Post by Rick
Post by Lewis
Post by Moshe
For a desktop Linux is a train wreck and OSX is much better.
Not only is OSX better as a desktop, but it can be a desktop AND
simultaneously be a server.
.. and a Linux based distro can't?
That's right, because it fails the 'better desktop' part of the
statement. All the linux distros I've seen (and I've seen a LOT) are
truly shitty desktops.
--
RTFM replies are great, but please specify exactly which FM to R
chrisv
2010-05-07 21:13:37 UTC
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Post by Lewis
That's right, because it fails the 'better desktop' part of the
statement. All the linux distros I've seen (and I've seen a LOT) are
truly shitty desktops.
Sure you have. Recently? Never mind, I'm talking to a Mac fan.
Everything else *has* to suck, in comparison to the Pretty Apple
Interface.

Fortunately, those who are not afraid of trying something different
need not rely on the opinion of fanatics. They can use LiveCD's to
try Linux for themselves, freely, easily, and without risk.

Some will wonder what the big deal is, that supposedly justifies the
much higher cost of the Mac.
--
"I don't LIE for LIENUX" - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark
One Shot, One Kill
2010-05-07 21:24:24 UTC
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"chrisv" <***@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...

chrisv is a piece of shit. chrisv is a liar.
Lewis
2010-05-08 04:02:47 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Post by Lewis
That's right, because it fails the 'better desktop' part of the
statement. All the linux distros I've seen (and I've seen a LOT) are
truly shitty desktops.
Sure you have. Recently?
Recently. Yes.
Post by chrisv
Fortunately, those who are not afraid of trying something different
need not rely on the opinion of fanatics. They can use LiveCD's to
try Linux for themselves, freely, easily, and without risk.
Then you know that the linux desktops are all crap.
--
Love seeketh not itself to please Nor for itself hath any care But for another
gives its ease And builds a heaven in Hell's despair
Chris Ahlstrom
2010-05-07 21:35:42 UTC
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Post by Lewis
Post by Rick
Post by Lewis
Post by Moshe
For a desktop Linux is a train wreck and OSX is much better.
Not only is OSX better as a desktop, but it can be a desktop AND
simultaneously be a server.
.. and a Linux based distro can't?
That's right, because it fails the 'better desktop' part of the
statement. All the linux distros I've seen (and I've seen a LOT) are
truly shitty desktops.
Obviously never got deep into KDE, eh?

I love my simple Fluxbox desktop. No need for icons (though you can add
them if you like); no need for panels (though you can add them if you like);
no need for applets (though...).

No desktop clutter.

With a right click or a middle click I can initiate all the actions I want.
With a few keystrokes I can initiate all the actions I want.

I can shade windows in addition to all the other action. Fluxbox will
remember which workspace, monitor, size, position, stickiness,
min/max/fullscreen state, transparency, and graphics layer each application
has, if I so choose. Can maximize horizontally only, or vertically only.
Can even make the window decorations disappear and save this state if
desired.

I can get window focus and autoraise without clicking, if I so choose.

The only downside to my fluxbox desktop is that it only manages windows and
menus. However, you can start up services from other desktop environments,
if you want them and don't mind the extra memory/CPU usage.

Truly shitty desktop? You're crazy.
--
I will honour Christmas in my heart, and try to keep it all the year. I
will live in the Past, the Present, and the Future. The Spirits of all
Three shall strive within me. I will not shut out the lessons that they
teach. Oh, tell me that I may sponge away the writing on this stone!
-- Charles Dickens
Rick
2010-05-07 21:41:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lewis
Post by Rick
Post by Lewis
Post by Moshe
For a desktop Linux is a train wreck and OSX is much better.
Not only is OSX better as a desktop, but it can be a desktop AND
simultaneously be a server.
.. and a Linux based distro can't?
That's right, because it fails the 'better desktop' part of the
statement. All the linux distros I've seen (and I've seen a LOT) are
truly shitty desktops.
Fine. Don't use any.
--
Rick
John Slade
2010-05-07 18:51:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lewis
Post by Moshe
For a desktop Linux is a train wreck and OSX is much better.
Not only is OSX better as a desktop, but it can be a desktop AND
simultaneously be a server.
Any OS can be a server. Linux does a much better job at
it than most. That's because it runs on a wide variety of
hardware. This is the reason OS X is pretty mush nonexistent in
the sever world. It's pretty much useless.

John
Snit
2010-05-07 19:44:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Slade
Post by Lewis
Post by Moshe
For a desktop Linux is a train wreck and OSX is much better.
Not only is OSX better as a desktop, but it can be a desktop AND
simultaneously be a server.
Any OS can be a server. Linux does a much better job at
it than most. That's because it runs on a wide variety of
hardware. This is the reason OS X is pretty mush nonexistent in
the sever world. It's pretty much useless.
John
Most servers run on only one piece of hardware... but you can cluster OS X,
too.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
KDT
2010-05-07 22:31:14 UTC
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Post by Lewis
Post by Moshe
For a desktop Linux is a train wreck and OSX is much better.
Not only is OSX better as a desktop, but it can be a desktop AND
simultaneously be a server.
       Any OS can be a server. Linux does a much better job at
it than most. That's because it runs on a wide variety of
hardware. This is the reason OS X is pretty mush nonexistent in
the sever world. It's pretty much useless.
John
So tell us, John, how good can the non-server versions of Windows be
when MS artificially limits the number of open tcp sockets?
John Slade
2010-05-07 18:48:41 UTC
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Post by Moshe
Post by John Slade
Post by Moshe
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'? Apple controls what goes into the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
One look at the just released Linux Ubuntu 10.04 is all it takes
to see the "quality" applications that the OSS world is known for.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa!
Just like with Linux, the Android is going to be like the wild,
wild west with 100's of different varieties that are all different
enough as to make them incompatible with each other.
Linux users, aka freetards, call it choice.
Most people call it fragmentation and confusion.
Too many Indians and not enough chiefs.
And you wonder why nobody hardly uses Macs for servers.
Linux is used a lot more than OS X. The thing is OS X is based
on Unix and can run Unix free applications, so you kind of have
to include OS X in that "freetard" group.
Many Mac zealots are confused by three or four choices.
John
Different OS for different folks.
For a server, Linux is a good thing IMHO.
For a desktop Linux is a train wreck and OSX is much better.
I've been using Linux for over a decade and I've seen how
it's become a lot more user friendly. If you want a desktop for
anything but the latest games and business applications, Linux
is great. Some recent distributions are really coming along. The
main problem with Linux is the hardware drivers, they are
typically out of date and many don't utilize the full
capabilities of video cards and monitors.
Post by Moshe
The problem with Linux is not 3 or 4 choices, it's 500+ choices
and an army of zealots where each one is promoting his own
version.
I agree to some extent. Yes there are lots of choices and
it can get confusing picking the right distribution but there
are tons of sites to help make that choice. The Linux zealots
are sometimes worse than the Mac kook cult zealots. Most of them
have an extreme hate for Windows and Microsoft. That's a shame
because they can learn a lot from Microsoft and Windows. Windows
supports a wide variety of hardware and it uses the full
capabilities of the hardware from lost of vendors.
Post by Moshe
It's a total clusterfuck and Android is starting to experience
that right now.
I don't know, looks like Android 2.2 will address most of
the problems people are having and it will support Flash. Many
of the Android devices will be running a 1.6Ghz CPU rather than
a 1Ghz CPU and they will have better graphics capabilities. If
HP can put out a device and a lower price that runs Android,
watch out. The thing that can propel any mobile OS is a killer
app or killer game and LOTS of media attention.
Post by Moshe
Too bad for them.
The open source community will ruin the platform.
You watch and see.
You mean like Linux ruined the sever platform and home PC
platform. I can see Android become very very popular. Even more
popular than iPhone OS.

John
chrisv
2010-05-07 19:42:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Slade
Post by Moshe
The problem with Linux is not 3 or 4 choices, it's 500+ choices
and an army of zealots where each one is promoting his own
version.
I agree to some extent. Yes there are lots of choices and
it can get confusing picking the right distribution but there
are tons of sites to help make that choice.
Of course, you know that you responded to the nym-shifting,
pathogically-lying, "Flatfish" asshole troll...

His puerile, fsckwitted "logic" is the level of "Linux has choice, and
Linux has small market share, therefore choice is bad."
Post by John Slade
The Linux zealots
are sometimes worse than the Mac kook cult zealots. Most of them
have an extreme hate for Windows and Microsoft.
Well, having evil bastards force their crapware onto the world will
turn some folks sour, no doubt.

All that many of use want is a fair market, with people free to choose
their software based on price and performance, and not feel compelled
to use "whatever everyone else uses", lest they be "left out in the
cold".
Post by John Slade
That's a shame
because they can learn a lot from Microsoft and Windows.
Like what? Restricting choice?

That may work fine for the producer, and may even suit many customers
well. It may well be "adequate" for the vast majority.

However, it leaves *many*, if not *most*, using a product that is
really sub-optimal for their needs.

There is no more "one product fits all (or even most)" in the OS
market than there is any other market.
Post by John Slade
Windows
supports a wide variety of hardware and it uses the full
capabilities of the hardware from lost of vendors.
Because the *vendors* must conform to the Windows "standard". The
*vendors* do the heavy lifting regarding drivers. Microsoft does not
deserve kudos for this.
KDT
2010-05-07 22:44:57 UTC
Permalink
     I don't know, looks like Android 2.2 will address most of
the problems people are having and it will support Flash.
So how is Android 2.2 going to solve the problem of fragmentation and
lack of support for upgrades by the vendors and carriers?
Many
of the Android devices will be running a 1.6Ghz CPU rather than
a 1Ghz CPU
You mean CPU's will eventually get faster? What other revelations do
you have for us?
and they will have better graphics capabilities.
Benchmarks have shone the iPhone 3GS with a 600Mhz processor and the
PowerVR chip is faster than the 1Ghz Nexus One.
If
HP can put out a device and a lower price that runs Android,
watch out.
So why would they do that after buying Palm? Wasn't the (cancelled)
HP Slate suppose to be the next great thing?
KDT
2010-05-07 00:30:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Moshe
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls what goes into the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
One look at the just released Linux Ubuntu 10.04 is all it takes
to see the "quality" applications that the OSS world is known for.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa!
Just like with Linux, the Android is going to be like the wild,
wild west with 100's of different varieties that are all different
enough as to make them incompatible with each other.
Linux users, aka freetards, call it choice.
Most people call it fragmentation and confusion.
Too many Indians and not enough chiefs.
    And you wonder why nobody hardly uses Macs for servers.
Linux is used a lot more than OS X. The thing is OS X is based
on Unix and can run Unix free applications, so you kind of have
to include OS X in that "freetard" group.
Do you ever read before you respond? How is the OS X "fragmented" and
lacking "cheifs" when one company is supporting the whole stack? The
reason that OS X is not used more for servers because it costs more
and really has no advantages over Linux besides a slight ease of use/
     Many Mac zealots are confused by three or four choices.
You could charge admission to show off statues of all the strawmen you
create.....
John Slade
2010-05-07 18:55:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by KDT
Post by John Slade
Post by Moshe
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'? Apple controls what goes into the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
One look at the just released Linux Ubuntu 10.04 is all it takes
to see the "quality" applications that the OSS world is known for.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa!
Just like with Linux, the Android is going to be like the wild,
wild west with 100's of different varieties that are all different
enough as to make them incompatible with each other.
Linux users, aka freetards, call it choice.
Most people call it fragmentation and confusion.
Too many Indians and not enough chiefs.
And you wonder why nobody hardly uses Macs for servers.
Linux is used a lot more than OS X. The thing is OS X is based
on Unix and can run Unix free applications, so you kind of have
to include OS X in that "freetard" group.
Do you ever read before you respond? How is the OS X "fragmented" and
lacking "cheifs" when one company is supporting the whole stack? The
reason that OS X is not used more for servers because it costs more
and really has no advantages over Linux besides a slight ease of use/
I was making this very point to someone recently. I agree
the cost of using OS X comes from the fact it can only run well
on Apple hardware. Linux can run on any hardware and so it's
perfect for severs.

John
MuahMan
2010-05-05 19:28:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lloyd Parsons
Post by Edwin
"150,000 Android Apps Predicted By End Of 2010
by Carl Channon on December 26th, 2009"  
"Iユm sure youユll agree the Android market is constantly growing with a
reportedly 20,000+ apps and games  already in the marketplace. Well
according to mobile analytics firm Flurry in an interview with ヤBusiness
Weekヤ, they predict their could be a whopping 150,000 apps this time next
year."
"Chief Executive Officer of Flurry ヤSimon Khalafユ said because of efforts
by Verizon Wireless, Motorola Inc. and Google to promote the system メA lot
of developers have come onto the Android platformモ."
"He goes on to say Appleユs site for its iPhone and iPod touch devices メmay
have at least 300,000 applications by the end of next year. Google will
have 100,000 to 150,000″"
"Very interesting considering the predicted momentum of growth for
Android’s marketplace is huge, 4 ミ 6 times the size it is now in fact.
Though Appleユs app store is considered to be larger in apps I believe メitユs
quality, not quantityモ that counts. Weユll have to wait and see what 2010
brings however either way Iユm looking forward to what Android overall has
to offer!"
"What do you think? Is this prediction from Flurry what youユd expect for
the Android Marketplace in 2010?"
http://phandroid.com/2009/12/26/150000-android-apps-predicted-for-end...
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls what goes into the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
--
Lloyd
Yeah Android not's gonna get the high quality apps like Fart Machine,
Atomic Fart, and Flashlight. LOL
Clogwog
2010-05-05 19:48:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lloyd Parsons
Post by Edwin
"150,000 Android Apps Predicted By End Of 2010
by Carl Channon on December 26th, 2009"
"Iユm sure youユll agree the Android market is constantly growing with a
reportedly 20,000+ apps and games already in the marketplace. Well
according to mobile analytics firm Flurry in an interview with ヤBusiness
Weekヤ, they predict their could be a whopping 150,000 apps this time next
year."
"Chief Executive Officer of Flurry ヤSimon Khalafユ said because of efforts
by Verizon Wireless, Motorola Inc. and Google to promote the system メA lot
of developers have come onto the Android platformモ."
"He goes on to say Appleユs site for its iPhone and iPod touch devices メmay
have at least 300,000 applications by the end of next year. Google will
have 100,000 to 150,000″"
"Very interesting considering the predicted momentum of growth for
Android’s marketplace is huge, 4 ミ 6 times the size it is now in fact.
Though Appleユs app store is considered to be larger in apps I believe メitユs
quality, not quantityモ that counts. Weユll have to wait and see what 2010
brings however either way Iユm looking forward to what Android overall has
to offer!"
"What do you think? Is this prediction from Flurry what youユd expect for
the Android Marketplace in 2010?"
http://phandroid.com/2009/12/26/150000-android-apps-predicted-for-end...
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'? Apple controls what goes into the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
--
Lloyd
Yeah Android not's gonna get the high quality apps like Fart Machine,
Heeh!!, 3 million new Linux embedded gadgets every day!
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/846445/make_an_easy_fart_machine/
Post by Lloyd Parsons
Atomic Fart, and Flashlight. LOL
Lloyd Parsons
2010-05-05 20:07:06 UTC
Permalink
In article
Post by MuahMan
Post by Lloyd Parsons
Post by Edwin
"150,000 Android Apps Predicted By End Of 2010
by Carl Channon on December 26th, 2009" 
"Im sure youll agree the Android market is constantly growing with a
reportedly 20,000+ apps and games  already in the marketplace. Well
according to mobile analytics firm Flurry in an interview with Business
Week, they predict their could be a whopping 150,000 apps this time next
year."
"Chief Executive Officer of Flurry Simon Khalaf said because of efforts
by Verizon Wireless, Motorola Inc. and Google to promote the system A lot
of developers have come onto the Android platform."
"He goes on to say Apples site for its iPhone and iPod touch devices
may
have at least 300,000 applications by the end of next year. Google will
have 100,000 to 150,000″"
"Very interesting considering the predicted momentum of growth for
Android’s marketplace is huge, 4  6 times the size it is now in fact.
Though Apples app store is considered to be larger in apps I believe
its
quality, not quantity that counts. Well have to wait and see what 2010
brings however either way Im looking forward to what Android overall has
to offer!"
"What do you think? Is this prediction from Flurry what youd expect for
the Android Marketplace in 2010?"
http://phandroid.com/2009/12/26/150000-android-apps-predicted-for-end...
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls what goes into the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
--
Lloyd
Yeah Android not's gonna get the high quality apps like Fart Machine,
Atomic Fart, and Flashlight. LOL
And another post goes over you head!

The point was that with an OPEN system like Android, there will be
plenty of crappy apps, possibly more than what is available for the
iPad/iPhone/Touch. With a controlled environment it is possible to
reduce that a bit.

Let's face it, every OS has shitty apps for it and no few of stupid
ones, what about Android is going to prevent or even reduce the number?
The answer, not a damn thing.
--
Lloyd
ed
2010-05-05 21:47:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lloyd Parsons
In article
Post by MuahMan
Post by Lloyd Parsons
Post by Edwin
"150,000 Android Apps Predicted By End Of 2010
by Carl Channon on December 26th, 2009" ハ
"Iユm sure youユll agree the Android market is constantly growing with a
reportedly 20,000+ apps and games  already in the marketplace. Well
according to mobile analytics firm Flurry in an interview with ヤBusiness
Weekヤ, they predict their could be a whopping 150,000 apps this time next
year."
"Chief Executive Officer of Flurry ヤSimon Khalafユ said because of efforts
by Verizon Wireless, Motorola Inc. and Google to promote the system メA lot
of developers have come onto the Android platformモ."
"He goes on to say Appleユs site for its iPhone and iPod touch devices メmay
have at least 300,000 applications by the end of next year. Google will
have 100,000 to 150,000″"
"Very interesting considering the predicted momentum of growth for
Android’s marketplace is huge, 4 ミ 6 times the size it is now in fact.
Though Appleユs app store is considered to be larger in apps I believe
メitユs
quality, not quantityモ that counts. Weユll have to wait and see what 2010
brings however either way Iユm looking forward to what Android overall has
to offer!"
"What do you think? Is this prediction from Flurry what youユd expect for
the Android Marketplace in 2010?"
http://phandroid.com/2009/12/26/150000-android-apps-predicted-for-end...
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls what goes into the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
--
Lloyd
Yeah Android not's gonna get the high quality apps like Fart Machine,
Atomic Fart, and Flashlight. LOL
And another post goes over you head!
The point was that with an OPEN system like Android, there will be
plenty of crappy apps, possibly more than what is available for the
iPad/iPhone/Touch.  With a controlled environment it is possible to
reduce that a bit.
sure, it's "possible." it's also possible that there will be more
quality apps for android. :P
Post by Lloyd Parsons
Let's face it, every OS has shitty apps for it and no few of stupid
ones, what about Android is going to prevent or even reduce the number?  
The answer, not a damn thing.
the good thing is, the users get to decide if an app is crap, and not
apple (as apple obviously blocks quality apps (google voice for
example), and as previously mentioned, apple lets through some pretty
crappy ones).
Lloyd Parsons
2010-05-05 22:24:51 UTC
Permalink
In article
Post by ed
Post by Lloyd Parsons
In article
Post by MuahMan
Post by Lloyd Parsons
Post by Edwin
"150,000 Android Apps Predicted By End Of 2010
by Carl Channon on December 26th, 2009" 
"Im sure youll agree the Android market is constantly growing with
a
reportedly 20,000+ apps and games  already in the marketplace. Well
according to mobile analytics firm Flurry in an interview with
Business
Week, they predict their could be a whopping 150,000 apps this time
next
year."
"Chief Executive Officer of Flurry Simon Khalaf said because of
efforts
by Verizon Wireless, Motorola Inc. and Google to promote the system
A
lot
of developers have come onto the Android platform."
"He goes on to say Apples site for its iPhone and iPod touch devices
may
have at least 300,000 applications by the end of next year. Google will
have 100,000 to 150,000″"
"Very interesting considering the predicted momentum of growth for
Android’s marketplace is huge, 4  6 times the size it is now in
fact.
Though Apples app store is considered to be larger in apps I believe
its
quality, not quantity that counts. Well have to wait and see what
2010
brings however either way Im looking forward to what Android overall
has
to offer!"
"What do you think? Is this prediction from Flurry what youd expect
for
the Android Marketplace in 2010?"
http://phandroid.com/2009/12/26/150000-android-apps-predicted-for-end..
.
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls what goes into the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
--
Lloyd
Yeah Android not's gonna get the high quality apps like Fart Machine,
Atomic Fart, and Flashlight. LOL
And another post goes over you head!
The point was that with an OPEN system like Android, there will be
plenty of crappy apps, possibly more than what is available for the
iPad/iPhone/Touch.  With a controlled environment it is possible to
reduce that a bit.
sure, it's "possible." it's also possible that there will be more
quality apps for android. :P
Post by Lloyd Parsons
Let's face it, every OS has shitty apps for it and no few of stupid
ones, what about Android is going to prevent or even reduce the number?  
The answer, not a damn thing.
the good thing is, the users get to decide if an app is crap, and not
apple (as apple obviously blocks quality apps (google voice for
example), and as previously mentioned, apple lets through some pretty
crappy ones).
But how much safety is there in that approach? With Apple the odds of a
piece of malware getting on the app store is extremely low, with an open
system, not so much.
--
Lloyd
ed
2010-05-05 23:07:06 UTC
Permalink
On May 5, 3:24 pm, Lloyd Parsons <***@mac.com> wrote:
<snip>
Post by Lloyd Parsons
Post by MuahMan
Yeah Android not's gonna get the high quality apps like Fart Machine,
Atomic Fart, and Flashlight. LOL
And another post goes over you head!
The point was that with an OPEN system like Android, there will be
plenty of crappy apps, possibly more than what is available for the
iPad/iPhone/Touch.  With a controlled environment it is possible to
reduce that a bit.
sure, it's "possible."  it's also possible that there will be more
quality apps for android.  :P
Post by Lloyd Parsons
Let's face it, every OS has shitty apps for it and no few of stupid
ones, what about Android is going to prevent or even reduce the number?  
The answer, not a damn thing.
the good thing is, the users get to decide if an app is crap, and not
apple (as apple obviously blocks quality apps (google voice for
example), and as previously mentioned, apple lets through some pretty
crappy ones).
But how much safety is there in that approach?  With Apple the odds of a
piece of malware getting on the app store is extremely low, with an open
system, not so much.
yup, being free to do more things means that you may be more at risk.
i'm ok with that. not just when it comes to software. ;D

but doesn't an overly restrictive app approval process lead to more
people jailbreaking their iphones so they can install any apps,
removing the security benefit? :D

but i've never even had pc malware, and i don't download banking
software from random people (the only suspected malware for android
(all published by one person)), so i think i'm pretty ok in
general. ;D but strangely enough, it's the iphone that conditioned
people to get apps for every little thing, including things which can
be done directly on your bank's website. :D
John Slade
2010-05-07 19:06:25 UTC
Permalink
Alan Baker
2010-05-05 20:53:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lloyd Parsons
Post by Edwin
"150,000 Android Apps Predicted By End Of 2010
by Carl Channon on December 26th, 2009"
"Im sure youll agree the Android market is constantly growing with a
reportedly 20,000+ apps and games already in the marketplace. Well
according to mobile analytics firm Flurry in an interview with Business
Week, they predict their could be a whopping 150,000 apps this time next
year."
"Chief Executive Officer of Flurry Simon Khalaf said because of efforts
by Verizon Wireless, Motorola Inc. and Google to promote the system A lot
of developers have come onto the Android platform."
"He goes on to say Apples site for its iPhone and iPod touch devices may
have at least 300,000 applications by the end of next year. Google will
have 100,000 to 150,000″"
"Very interesting considering the predicted momentum of growth for
Android’s marketplace is huge, 4  6 times the size it is now in fact.
Though Apples app store is considered to be larger in apps I believe
its
quality, not quantity that counts. Well have to wait and see what 2010
brings however either way Im looking forward to what Android overall has
to offer!"
"What do you think? Is this prediction from Flurry what youd expect for
the Android Marketplace in 2010?"
http://phandroid.com/2009/12/26/150000-android-apps-predicted-for-end-of-201
0/
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'? Apple controls what goes into the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
And out and out malware...
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
Hadron
2010-05-05 21:39:24 UTC
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Rex Ballard
2010-05-06 23:07:07 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
And out and out malware...
Alas this could well be something very bad. All apps (or the installer)
presents a list of access points the app will use e.g "Can cost you
money and allow calls" or "access net" or "access contacts" etc etc. I
wonder how many people really read that or, horrors, download the "open
and free" code to inspect it for malware before allowing it to be
installed? Less than a tenth a percent I would suggest.
Having source available makes it easy to create "template software".
How many people have read a wordpress blog lately? You can easily
start with wordpress, and because you have source, you can decide what
you want to personalize and make it look less like a cookie-cutter
site.

I remember how much WinTrolls in this group used to berate Linux
advocates because there were so many different Window managers and so
many different looks and feels. And then Microsoft offer themes, and
suddenly, those same WinTrolls were declaring these as wonderful
"innovations".

I don't have to know the guts of eclipse to create a nice graphical
editor that can create diagrams that populate databases. In fact, I
can take a plug-in for a project manager and use it to populate other
types of work-flow diagrams that populate various flow tracking
databases.

If I can write a useful application using 1% of the resources because
99% of the work has been done and the 1% is just making some tweaks to
some source code - or writing a plug-in - it's much cheaper to create
new software, and I can make much more profit on even niche markets.

Making profit on Windows software is very difficult. If you don't
have $billions to invest up front, and you don't have $billions for
marketing, and $billions more for legal teams to enforce your
intellectual property rights, you probably won't make enough money to
recover your initial investment in a "from scratch" built
application. Then there are all the licenses you have to negotiate
with all of the vendors of all those proprietary libraries you'll need
to use, and then there are the legal defenses against the patent
trolls who see you making revenue and want a piece of the action -
even if it's only a fraction of a percent - just because settling is
cheaper than fighting a lawyer who can paper you to death with
discoveries and motions.

And when you finally get that software on the shelves, and you finally
start getting $millions or $billions in revenue, you can almost count
on Microsoft deciding that your market is big enough that they should
buy the third-rate competitor that hired 4 of your disgruntled
employees - and Microsoft will bundle their knock-off in their next
release of Windows or Office - putting you out of business.

Which is why you now see this huge empty skating rink where the
software shelves used to be (CompUSA, Circuit City, ComputerCity,...)

Who is really making any kind of money on consumer desktop software
for Windows these days?

These days, the money is in offering services via web sites - and the
software is on the (Linux or Unix) Servers.

At least with Android and Linux, you can offer the product, make a
dime or two on the software, then make a few dollars a year from
services related to the software.
ZnU
2010-05-06 23:32:19 UTC
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Post by Rex Ballard
Post by Alan Baker
And out and out malware...
Alas this could well be something very bad. All apps (or the installer)
presents a list of access points the app will use e.g "Can cost you
money and allow calls" or "access net" or "access contacts" etc etc. I
wonder how many people really read that or, horrors, download the "open
and free" code to inspect it for malware before allowing it to be
installed? Less than a tenth a percent I would suggest.
Having source available makes it easy to create "template software".
How many people have read a wordpress blog lately? You can easily
start with wordpress, and because you have source, you can decide what
you want to personalize and make it look less like a cookie-cutter
site.
Most WordPress customization is done through plug-ins and by modifying
templates, and could in priceable be done with closed source software.
Post by Rex Ballard
I remember how much WinTrolls in this group used to berate Linux
advocates because there were so many different Window managers and so
many different looks and feels. And then Microsoft offer themes, and
suddenly, those same WinTrolls were declaring these as wonderful
"innovations".
I don't have to know the guts of eclipse to create a nice graphical
editor that can create diagrams that populate databases. In fact, I
can take a plug-in for a project manager and use it to populate other
types of work-flow diagrams that populate various flow tracking
databases.
If I can write a useful application using 1% of the resources because
99% of the work has been done and the 1% is just making some tweaks to
some source code - or writing a plug-in - it's much cheaper to create
new software, and I can make much more profit on even niche markets.
That's neat in theory. The problem is in the real world... well, take,
say, Photoshop vs. GIMP. Photoshop might be 95% of the way to being the
ideal pro bitmap editing app, while GIMP might be more like 70%. So now,
your choices are to put up with only having 95% of what you want, or to
invest millions of dollars building from 70% to something over 95%.

[snip]
--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
Chris Ahlstrom
2010-05-06 23:41:22 UTC
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Post by ZnU
That's neat in theory. The problem is in the real world... well, take,
say, Photoshop vs. GIMP. Photoshop might be 95% of the way to being the
ideal pro bitmap editing app, while GIMP might be more like 70%. So now,
your choices are to put up with only having 95% of what you want, or to
invest millions of dollars building from 70% to something over 95%.
What a fscking stupid final statement.

An that's not the point of the GIMP at all, ZnU.

The point of GIMP is that the average person can do a hell of a lot of
near-professional editing without paying a penny, and with a great support
community just a google away. And they don't even have to put up with
disabled functions and nagware.

Of course, they always have the option of pirating the high-end versions of
Photoshop, don't they? :-(
--
Are you making all this up as you go along?
ZnU
2010-05-07 03:33:39 UTC
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Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by ZnU
That's neat in theory. The problem is in the real world... well, take,
say, Photoshop vs. GIMP. Photoshop might be 95% of the way to being the
ideal pro bitmap editing app, while GIMP might be more like 70%. So now,
your choices are to put up with only having 95% of what you want, or to
invest millions of dollars building from 70% to something over 95%.
What a fscking stupid final statement.
An that's not the point of the GIMP at all, ZnU.
The point of GIMP is that the average person can do a hell of a lot of
near-professional editing without paying a penny, and with a great support
community just a google away. And they don't even have to put up with
disabled functions and nagware.
That wasn't really my point. Look at the context.
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Of course, they always have the option of pirating the high-end versions of
Photoshop, don't they? :-(
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anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
chrisv
2010-05-07 12:36:05 UTC
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Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by ZnU
That's neat in theory. The problem is in the real world... well, take,
say, Photoshop vs. GIMP. Photoshop might be 95% of the way to being the
ideal pro bitmap editing app, while GIMP might be more like 70%. So now,
your choices are to put up with only having 95% of what you want, or to
invest millions of dollars building from 70% to something over 95%.
What a fscking stupid final statement.
An that's not the point of the GIMP at all, ZnU.
Znu quite-frequently puts his stupidity on display. He's really quite
the little troll.
Snit
2010-05-07 00:01:16 UTC
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Post by ZnU
Post by Rex Ballard
Having source available makes it easy to create "template software".
How many people have read a wordpress blog lately? You can easily
start with wordpress, and because you have source, you can decide what
you want to personalize and make it look less like a cookie-cutter
site.
Most WordPress customization is done through plug-ins and by modifying
templates, and could in priceable be done with closed source software.
Check out the newest Dreamweaver... very much focusing on such work.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Edwin
2010-05-06 22:37:06 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Lloyd Parsons
Post by Edwin
"150,000 Android Apps Predicted By End Of 2010
by Carl Channon on December 26th, 2009"
"Iユm sure youユll agree the Android market is constantly growing with a
reportedly 20,000+ apps and games already in the marketplace. Well
according to mobile analytics firm Flurry in an interview with ヤBusiness
Weekヤ, they predict their could be a whopping 150,000 apps this time next
year."
"Chief Executive Officer of Flurry ヤSimon Khalafユ said because of
efforts
by Verizon Wireless, Motorola Inc. and Google to promote the system メA
lot
of developers have come onto the Android platformモ."
"He goes on to say Appleユs site for its iPhone and iPod touch devices
メmay
have at least 300,000 applications by the end of next year. Google will
have 100,000 to 150,000″"
"Very interesting considering the predicted momentum of growth for
Android’s marketplace is huge, 4 ミ 6 times the size it is now in fact.
Though Appleユs app store is considered to be larger in apps I believe
メitユs
quality, not quantityモ that counts. Weユll have to wait and see what
2010
brings however either way Iユm looking forward to what Android overall has
to offer!"
"What do you think? Is this prediction from Flurry what youユd expect for
the Android Marketplace in 2010?"
http://phandroid.com/2009/12/26/150000-android-apps-predicted-for-end-of-201
0/
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'? Apple controls what goes into the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
And out and out malware...
You may now document your claim that malware exists for the Android OS...
be sure it's examples of malware in the wild, as well.
Lloyd
2010-05-06 22:46:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Edwin
Post by Lloyd Parsons
In article
Post by Lloyd Parsons
Post by Edwin
"150,000 Android Apps Predicted By End Of 2010
by Carl Channon on December 26th, 2009"
"Iユm sure youユll agree the Android market is constantly growing with a
reportedly 20,000+ apps and games already in the marketplace. Well
according to mobile analytics firm Flurry in an interview with ヤBusiness
Weekヤ, they predict their could be a whopping 150,000 apps this time next
year."
"Chief Executive Officer of Flurry ヤSimon Khalafユ said because of
efforts
by Verizon Wireless, Motorola Inc. and Google to promote the system メA
lot
of developers have come onto the Android platformモ."
"He goes on to say Appleユs site for its iPhone and iPod touch devices
メmay
have at least 300,000 applications by the end of next year. Google will
have 100,000 to 150,000″"
"Very interesting considering the predicted momentum of growth for
Android’s marketplace is huge, 4 ミ 6 times the size it is now in fact.
Though Appleユs app store is considered to be larger in apps I believe
メitユs
quality, not quantityモ that counts. Weユll have to wait and see what
2010
brings however either way Iユm looking forward to what Android overall has
to offer!"
"What do you think? Is this prediction from Flurry what youユd expect for
the Android Marketplace in 2010?"
http://phandroid.com/2009/12/26/150000-android-apps-predicted-for-end-of-201
0/
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'? Apple controls what goes into the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
And out and out malware...
You may now document your claim that malware exists for the Android OS...
be sure it's examples of malware in the wild, as well.
You keep missing the point. There are plenty of crappy apps out there
for the iPad and cousins with Apple offering at least some control. In
an open system with no controls at all, the potential is much greater by
far. As to malware, the point is that introducing it into an
uncontrolled device is much higher, which is completely true.
--
from Lloyd's iPad
Alan Baker
2010-05-06 23:47:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Edwin
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Lloyd Parsons
Post by Edwin
"150,000 Android Apps Predicted By End Of 2010
by Carl Channon on December 26th, 2009"
"Im sure youll agree the Android market is constantly growing with a
reportedly 20,000+ apps and games already in the marketplace. Well
according to mobile analytics firm Flurry in an interview with Business
Week, they predict their could be a whopping 150,000 apps this time next
year."
"Chief Executive Officer of Flurry Simon Khalaf said because of efforts
by Verizon Wireless, Motorola Inc. and Google to promote the system A lot
of developers have come onto the Android platform."
"He goes on to say Apples site for its iPhone and iPod touch devices
may
have at least 300,000 applications by the end of next year. Google will
have 100,000 to 150,000″"
"Very interesting considering the predicted momentum of growth for
Android’s marketplace is huge, 4  6 times the size it is now in fact.
Though Apples app store is considered to be larger in apps I believe
its
quality, not quantity that counts. Well have to wait and see what 2010
brings however either way Im looking forward to what Android overall has
to offer!"
"What do you think? Is this prediction from Flurry what youd expect for
the Android Marketplace in 2010?"
http://phandroid.com/2009/12/26/150000-android-apps-predicted-for-end-of-2
01
0/
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'? Apple controls what goes into the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
And out and out malware...
You may now document your claim that malware exists for the Android OS...
be sure it's examples of malware in the wild, as well.
Are you seriously saying that if anyone can put the software they write
into the Android Market that some won't choose to create malware?
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
Mike
2010-05-06 05:00:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lloyd Parsons
Post by Edwin
"150,000 Android Apps Predicted By End Of 2010
by Carl Channon on December 26th, 2009"
"Im sure youll agree the Android market is constantly growing with a
reportedly 20,000+ apps and games already in the marketplace. Well
according to mobile analytics firm Flurry in an interview with Business
Week, they predict their could be a whopping 150,000 apps this time next
year."
"Chief Executive Officer of Flurry Simon Khalaf said because of efforts
by Verizon Wireless, Motorola Inc. and Google to promote the system A lot
of developers have come onto the Android platform."
"He goes on to say Apples site for its iPhone and iPod touch devices may
have at least 300,000 applications by the end of next year. Google will
have 100,000 to 150,000″"
"Very interesting considering the predicted momentum of growth for
Android’s marketplace is huge, 4  6 times the size it is now in fact.
Though Apples app store is considered to be larger in apps I believe
its
quality, not quantity that counts. Well have to wait and see what 2010
brings however either way Im looking forward to what Android overall has
to offer!"
"What do you think? Is this prediction from Flurry what youd expect for
the Android Marketplace in 2010?"
http://phandroid.com/2009/12/26/150000-android-apps-predicted-for-end-of-201
0/
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'? Apple controls what goes into the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
Sorta makes you think of the freeware crappola that has been out there
for eons in the Windows world.
Edwin
2010-05-06 22:17:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lloyd Parsons
Post by Edwin
"150,000 Android Apps Predicted By End Of 2010
by Carl Channon on December 26th, 2009"
"Iユm sure youユll agree the Android market is constantly growing with a
reportedly 20,000+ apps and games already in the marketplace. Well
according to mobile analytics firm Flurry in an interview with ヤBusiness
Weekヤ, they predict their could be a whopping 150,000 apps this time next
year."
"Chief Executive Officer of Flurry ヤSimon Khalafユ said because of efforts
by Verizon Wireless, Motorola Inc. and Google to promote the system メA lot
of developers have come onto the Android platformモ."
"He goes on to say Appleユs site for its iPhone and iPod touch devices メmay
have at least 300,000 applications by the end of next year. Google will
have 100,000 to 150,000″"
"Very interesting considering the predicted momentum of growth for
Android’s marketplace is huge, 4 ミ 6 times the size it is now in fact.
Though Appleユs app store is considered to be larger in apps I believe メitユs
quality, not quantityモ that counts. Weユll have to wait and see what 2010
brings however either way Iユm looking forward to what Android overall has
to offer!"
"What do you think? Is this prediction from Flurry what youユd expect for
the Android Marketplace in 2010?"
http://phandroid.com/2009/12/26/150000-android-apps-predicted-for-end-of-2010/
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'? Apple controls what goes into the
app store,
Apple's "control" amounts to stifling their competition, such as Google
applications and Adobe Flash.
Post by Lloyd Parsons
Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
There are no shortage of crappy iPhone/iPod/iPad apps despite Apple's
control. Good competitors is what Apple keeps out. Non-competing crap
is welcome.
John Slade
2010-05-07 00:19:48 UTC
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Lloyd
2010-05-07 00:28:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lloyd Parsons
Post by Edwin
"150,000 Android Apps Predicted By End Of 2010
by Carl Channon on December 26th, 2009"
"Iユm sure youユll agree the Android market is constantly growing
with a
reportedly 20,000+ apps and games already in the marketplace. Well
according to mobile analytics firm Flurry in an interview with
ï¾”Business
Weekï¾”, they predict their could be a whopping 150,000 apps this
time next
year."
"Chief Executive Officer of Flurry ヤSimon Khalafユ said because
of efforts
by Verizon Wireless, Motorola Inc. and Google to promote the system
ï¾’A lot
of developers have come onto the Android platformモ."
"He goes on to say Appleユs site for its iPhone and iPod touch
devices ï¾’may
have at least 300,000 applications by the end of next year. Google
will
have 100,000 to 150,000″"
"Very interesting considering the predicted momentum of growth for
Android’s marketplace is huge, 4 ミ 6 times the size it is now in
fact.
Though Appleユs app store is considered to be larger in apps I
believe メitユs
quality, not quantityモ that counts. Weユll have to wait and see
what 2010
brings however either way Iユm looking forward to what Android
overall has
to offer!"
"What do you think? Is this prediction from Flurry what youユd
expect for
the Android Marketplace in 2010?"
http://phandroid.com/2009/12/26/150000-android-apps-predicted-for-end-of-2010/
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come
on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'? Apple controls what goes into
the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be
plenty of
crappy apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be
spoon-fed what someone else thinks is good for you. When you have tons
of software titles some will suck and some will be great. It's all a
matter of trying out things and finding what you like. With a tightly
controlled platform, you just have to be satisfied with the limited
number of choices.
John
How do you know what app is safe and not buggy? Answer you don't unless
you try it. That means you have a larger chance to get a potentially
damaging app in an uncontrolled environment. That's true of every
desktop OS today, why would you think it would play out differently on a
touchpad?
--
from Lloyd's iPad
John Slade
2010-05-07 19:31:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lloyd
Post by Lloyd Parsons
Post by Edwin
"150,000 Android Apps Predicted By End Of 2010
by Carl Channon on December 26th, 2009"
"Iユm sure youユll agree the Android market is constantly growing
with a
reportedly 20,000+ apps and games already in the marketplace. Well
according to mobile analytics firm Flurry in an interview with
ï¾”Business
Weekï¾”, they predict their could be a whopping 150,000 apps this
time next
year."
"Chief Executive Officer of Flurry ヤSimon Khalafユ said because
of efforts
by Verizon Wireless, Motorola Inc. and Google to promote the system
ï¾’A lot
of developers have come onto the Android platformモ."
"He goes on to say Appleユs site for its iPhone and iPod touch
devices ï¾’may
have at least 300,000 applications by the end of next year. Google
will
have 100,000 to 150,000″"
"Very interesting considering the predicted momentum of growth for
Android’s marketplace is huge, 4 ミ 6 times the size it is now in
fact.
Though Appleユs app store is considered to be larger in apps I
believe メitユs
quality, not quantityモ that counts. Weユll have to wait and see
what 2010
brings however either way Iユm looking forward to what Android
overall has
to offer!"
"What do you think? Is this prediction from Flurry what youユd
expect for
the Android Marketplace in 2010?"
http://phandroid.com/2009/12/26/150000-android-apps-predicted-for-end-of-2010/
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come
on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'? Apple controls what goes into
the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be
plenty of
crappy apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be
spoon-fed what someone else thinks is good for you. When you have tons
of software titles some will suck and some will be great. It's all a
matter of trying out things and finding what you like. With a tightly
controlled platform, you just have to be satisfied with the limited
number of choices.
John
How do you know what app is safe and not buggy? Answer you don't unless
you try it. That means you have a larger chance to get a potentially
damaging app in an uncontrolled environment. That's true of every
desktop OS today, why would you think it would play out differently on a
touchpad?
You're changing the argument. You're going with the
standard Mac user "malware" argument. I won't bite.

Having a xenophobic approach will not guarantee bug
free software. That's a strawman argument. What people will do
is read reviews and listen to others to see what's buggy and
what's not. This is what's gonna happen with iPhone OS and Android.

John
KDT
2010-05-07 00:31:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lloyd Parsons
Post by Edwin
"150,000 Android Apps Predicted By End Of 2010
by Carl Channon on December 26th, 2009"
"Iユm sure youユll agree the Android market is constantly growing with a
reportedly 20,000+ apps and games already in the marketplace. Well
according to mobile analytics firm Flurry in an interview with ヤBusiness
Weekヤ, they predict their could be a whopping 150,000 apps this time next
year."
"Chief Executive Officer of Flurry ヤSimon Khalafユ said because of efforts
by Verizon Wireless, Motorola Inc. and Google to promote the system メA lot
of developers have come onto the Android platformモ."
"He goes on to say Appleユs site for its iPhone and iPod touch devices メmay
have at least 300,000 applications by the end of next year. Google will
have 100,000 to 150,000″"
"Very interesting considering the predicted momentum of growth for
Android’s marketplace is huge, 4 ミ 6 times the size it is now in fact.
Though Appleユs app store is considered to be larger in apps I believe メitユs
quality, not quantityモ that counts. Weユll have to wait and see what 2010
brings however either way Iユm looking forward to what Android overall has
to offer!"
"What do you think? Is this prediction from Flurry what youユd expect for
the Android Marketplace in 2010?"
http://phandroid.com/2009/12/26/150000-android-apps-predicted-for-end...
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'? Apple controls what goes into the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be
spoon-fed what someone else thinks is good for you. When you
have tons of software titles some will suck and some will be
great. It's all a matter of trying out things and finding what
you like. With a tightly controlled platform, you just have to
be satisfied with the limited number of choices.
John- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
So now the app store has a "limited number of choices"?
John Slade
2010-05-07 19:32:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by KDT
Post by Lloyd Parsons
Post by Edwin
"150,000 Android Apps Predicted By End Of 2010
by Carl Channon on December 26th, 2009"
"Iユm sure youユll agree the Android market is constantly growing with a
reportedly 20,000+ apps and games already in the marketplace. Well
according to mobile analytics firm Flurry in an interview with ヤBusiness
Weekヤ, they predict their could be a whopping 150,000 apps this time next
year."
"Chief Executive Officer of Flurry ヤSimon Khalafユ said because of efforts
by Verizon Wireless, Motorola Inc. and Google to promote the system メA lot
of developers have come onto the Android platformモ."
"He goes on to say Appleユs site for its iPhone and iPod touch devices メmay
have at least 300,000 applications by the end of next year. Google will
have 100,000 to 150,000″"
"Very interesting considering the predicted momentum of growth for
Android’s marketplace is huge, 4 ミ 6 times the size it is now in fact.
Though Appleユs app store is considered to be larger in apps I believe メitユs
quality, not quantityモ that counts. Weユll have to wait and see what 2010
brings however either way Iユm looking forward to what Android overall has
to offer!"
"What do you think? Is this prediction from Flurry what youユd expect for
the Android Marketplace in 2010?"
http://phandroid.com/2009/12/26/150000-android-apps-predicted-for-end...
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'? Apple controls what goes into the
app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of
crappy apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be
spoon-fed what someone else thinks is good for you. When you
have tons of software titles some will suck and some will be
great. It's all a matter of trying out things and finding what
you like. With a tightly controlled platform, you just have to
be satisfied with the limited number of choices.
John- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
So now the app store has a "limited number of choices"?
When compared to a more open approach like Android.

John
Snit
2010-05-07 19:46:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Slade
Post by KDT
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be
spoon-fed what someone else thinks is good for you. When you
have tons of software titles some will suck and some will be
great. It's all a matter of trying out things and finding what
you like. With a tightly controlled platform, you just have to
be satisfied with the limited number of choices.
John- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
So now the app store has a "limited number of choices"?
When compared to a more open approach like Android.
How many choices does each have.
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Snit
2010-05-07 00:47:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'? Apple controls what goes into the app
store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of crappy
apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be spoon-fed what
someone else thinks is good for you.
Read "The Paradox of Choice". More choices leads to undesirable results in
many cases.
When you have tons of software titles some will suck and some will be great.
It's all a matter of trying out things and finding what you like. With a
tightly controlled platform, you just have to be satisfied with the limited
number of choices.
Would you rather have 10 choices where 8 are good or 100 choices where 10
are good? How about 100 choices where 5 are good?
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
ed
2010-05-07 05:23:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls what goes into the app
store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of crappy
apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be spoon-fed what
someone else thinks is good for you.
Read "The Paradox of Choice".  More choices leads to undesirable results in
many cases.
you need to reread the paradox of choice (or read it if you're only
basing your view on highlights you've read elsewhere)- more choice is
generally an issue if there are *excessive* choices, and only if you
have a certain temperament (maximizer). there is no general 'more
choice bad (in many cases).' and even then, it's *a* viewpoint, not
a plain fact.
When you have tons of software titles some will suck and some will be great.
It's all a matter of trying out things and finding what you like. With a
tightly controlled platform, you just have to be satisfied with the limited
number of choices.
Would you rather have 10 choices where 8 are good or 100 choices where 10
are good?  How about 100 choices where 5 are good?
100 choices where 10 are good.
Snit
2010-05-07 05:36:13 UTC
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Post by ed
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls what goes into the app
store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of crappy
apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be spoon-fed what
someone else thinks is good for you.
Read "The Paradox of Choice".  More choices leads to undesirable results in
many cases.
you need to reread the paradox of choice (or read it if you're only
basing your view on highlights you've read elsewhere)- more choice is
generally an issue if there are *excessive* choices, and only if you
have a certain temperament (maximizer). there is no general 'more
choice bad (in many cases).' and even then, it's *a* viewpoint, not
a plain fact.
Notice I said "in many cases." And, yes, I have read the book...

But more choice does not make you use your brain more... it makes you have
to focus on *that* choice. Having many, many choices in many, many things
does not lead to making people think more... at least not as a general rule.
It is a rather silly and simplistic idea for Slade to claim that.
Post by ed
When you have tons of software titles some will suck and some will be great.
It's all a matter of trying out things and finding what you like. With a
tightly controlled platform, you just have to be satisfied with the limited
number of choices.
Would you rather have 10 choices where 8 are good or 100 choices where 10
are good?  How about 100 choices where 5 are good?
100 choices where 10 are good.
Curious as to why. Not saying you are wrong... but just curious as
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2010-05-07 05:43:56 UTC
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ed stated in post
Post by ed
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls what goes into the app
store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of crappy
apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be spoon-fed what
someone else thinks is good for you.
Read "The Paradox of Choice".  More choices leads to undesirable results in
many cases.
you need to reread the paradox of choice (or read it if you're only
basing your view on highlights you've read elsewhere)- more choice is
generally an issue if there are *excessive* choices, and only if you
have a certain temperament (maximizer).  there is no general 'more
choice bad (in many cases).'  and even then, it's *a*  viewpoint, not
a plain fact.
Notice I said "in many cases."  And, yes, I have read the book...
'many' in what sense? i don't recall the paradox of choice breaking
out how many maximizers vs satisficers (but it's been a long time
since i read that book), but from the definitions, i would expect
there to generally be many more satisficers than maximizers around...

<snip>
Post by Snit
Post by ed
Would you rather have 10 choices where 8 are good or 100 choices where 10
are good?  How about 100 choices where 5 are good?
100 choices where 10 are good.
Curious as to why.  Not saying you are wrong... but just curious as
more likely to find a good choice that's closer to what i want.
Snit
2010-05-07 05:59:49 UTC
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Post by ed
Post by Snit
ed stated in post
Post by ed
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come on,
'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls what goes into the app
store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there won't be plenty of crappy
apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be spoon-fed what
someone else thinks is good for you.
Read "The Paradox of Choice".  More choices leads to undesirable results in
many cases.
you need to reread the paradox of choice (or read it if you're only
basing your view on highlights you've read elsewhere)- more choice is
generally an issue if there are *excessive* choices, and only if you
have a certain temperament (maximizer).  there is no general 'more
choice bad (in many cases).'  and even then, it's *a*  viewpoint, not
a plain fact.
Notice I said "in many cases."  And, yes, I have read the book...
'many' in what sense? i don't recall the paradox of choice breaking
out how many maximizers vs satisficers (but it's been a long time
since i read that book), but from the definitions, i would expect
there to generally be many more satisficers than maximizers around...
It is not just maximizers who are hurt by many, many choices. He also makes
it clear it is a continuum... not an either / or.
Post by ed
<snip>
Post by Snit
Post by ed
Would you rather have 10 choices where 8 are good or 100 choices where 10
are good?  How about 100 choices where 5 are good?
100 choices where 10 are good.
Curious as to why.  Not saying you are wrong... but just curious as
more likely to find a good choice that's closer to what i want.
How about it there were 1 million choices... with 10 good ones. At some
point, presumably, you would decide it is not worth it to dig through them
all. And not saying there is a right or a wrong here... or that one can
generalize as much as I am asking you to with this question. :)
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ed
2010-05-07 06:07:38 UTC
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ed stated in post
'many' in what sense?  i don't recall the paradox of choice breaking
out how many maximizers vs satisficers (but it's been a long time
since i read that book), but from the definitions, i would expect
there to generally be many more satisficers than maximizers around...
It is not just maximizers who are hurt by many, many choices.  He also makes
it clear it is a continuum... not an either / or.
of course there's a continuum (as with basically any human
attribute). but i recall that it *was* pretty clear that it's those
who are maximizers that have issues with many choices.
Post by Snit
<snip>
Post by Snit
Post by ed
Post by Snit
Would you rather have 10 choices where 8 are good or 100 choices where 10
are good?  How about 100 choices where 5 are good?
100 choices where 10 are good.
Curious as to why.  Not saying you are wrong... but just curious as
more likely to find a good choice that's closer to what i want.
How about it there were 1 million choices... with 10 good ones.  At some
point, presumably, you would decide it is not worth it to dig through them
all.  And not saying there is a right or a wrong here... or that one can
generalize as much as I am asking you to with this question.  :)
still take the more good ones with more bad choices. in this day and
age, it's not that hard to whittle down. ;D
Snit
2010-05-07 14:13:36 UTC
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Post by ed
Post by Snit
ed stated in post
'many' in what sense?  i don't recall the paradox of choice breaking
out how many maximizers vs satisficers (but it's been a long time
since i read that book), but from the definitions, i would expect
there to generally be many more satisficers than maximizers around...
It is not just maximizers who are hurt by many, many choices.  He also makes
it clear it is a continuum... not an either / or.
of course there's a continuum (as with basically any human
attribute). but i recall that it *was* pretty clear that it's those
who are maximizers that have issues with many choices.
Here is a similar, but smaller, discussion from the author:
<http://www.swarthmore.edu/SocSci/bschwar1/Sci.Amer.pdf>

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SEVERAL FACTORS EXPLAIN why more choice is not al-
ways better than less, especially for maximizers.
...
Beyond those individual strategies, I think our society would
be well served to rethink its worship of choice. As I write
this, public debate continues about privatization of Social
Security (so people could select their retirement
investments), privatization of Medicare and prescription drug
benefits (so people could choose their own health plans), and
choice in public education. And in the private sphere,
medical ethicists treat the idea of ³patient autonomy² as
sacrosanct, as if it goes without saying that having patients
choose their treatments will make them better off. Software
developers design their products so that users can customize
them to their own specific needs and tastes, as if the
resulting complexity and confusion are always a price worth
paying to maximize user flexibility. And manufacturers keep
offering new products or new versions of old products, as if
we needed more variety. The lesson of my re- search is that
developments in each of these spheres may well rest on
assumptions that are deeply mistaken.
-----

Maximizers are hurt more, but they are not the only ones hurt. He suggests
changes for all of society to deal with the problem of too many choices.
Post by ed
Post by Snit
<snip>
Post by Snit
Post by ed
Post by Snit
Would you rather have 10 choices where 8 are good or 100 choices where 10
are good?  How about 100 choices where 5 are good?
100 choices where 10 are good.
Curious as to why.  Not saying you are wrong... but just curious as
more likely to find a good choice that's closer to what i want.
How about it there were 1 million choices... with 10 good ones.  At some
point, presumably, you would decide it is not worth it to dig through them
all.  And not saying there is a right or a wrong here... or that one can
generalize as much as I am asking you to with this question.  :)
still take the more good ones with more bad choices. in this day and
age, it's not that hard to whittle down. ;D
I would love to see support for that. And I suggest you read the book. :)
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ZnU
2010-05-07 05:57:20 UTC
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Post by ed
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but
come on, 'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls
what goes into the app store, Android is OPEN, do you really
think there won't be plenty of crappy apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be
spoon-fed what someone else thinks is good for you.
Read "The Paradox of Choice".  More choices leads to undesirable
results in many cases.
you need to reread the paradox of choice (or read it if you're only
basing your view on highlights you've read elsewhere)- more choice is
generally an issue if there are *excessive* choices, and only if you
have a certain temperament (maximizer). there is no general 'more
choice bad (in many cases).' and even then, it's *a* viewpoint, not
a plain fact.
The problem in the Wintel hardware market (to pick a random example) is
that there are a lot of pretty lame choices, and regular consumers are
poorly qualified to identify the good ones.

[snip]
--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
ed
2010-05-07 06:05:09 UTC
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Post by ZnU
Post by ed
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but
come on, 'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls
what goes into the app store, Android is OPEN, do you really
think there won't be plenty of crappy apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be
spoon-fed what someone else thinks is good for you.
Read "The Paradox of Choice".  More choices leads to undesirable
results in many cases.
you need to reread the paradox of choice (or read it if you're only
basing your view on highlights you've read elsewhere)- more choice is
generally an issue if there are *excessive* choices, and only if you
have a certain temperament (maximizer).  there is no general 'more
choice bad (in many cases).'  and even then, it's *a*  viewpoint, not
a plain fact.
The problem in the Wintel hardware market (to pick a random example) is
that there are a lot of pretty lame choices, and regular consumers are
poorly qualified to identify the good ones.
why do you think they're poorly qualified to identify a good
computer? it's not complicated with the barest minimum of research.
Snit
2010-05-07 14:02:26 UTC
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ed stated in post
Post by ed
Post by ZnU
Post by ed
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but
come on, 'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls
what goes into the app store, Android is OPEN, do you really
think there won't be plenty of crappy apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be
spoon-fed what someone else thinks is good for you.
Read "The Paradox of Choice".  More choices leads to undesirable
results in many cases.
you need to reread the paradox of choice (or read it if you're only
basing your view on highlights you've read elsewhere)- more choice is
generally an issue if there are *excessive* choices, and only if you
have a certain temperament (maximizer).  there is no general 'more
choice bad (in many cases).'  and even then, it's *a*  viewpoint, not
a plain fact.
The problem in the Wintel hardware market (to pick a random example) is
that there are a lot of pretty lame choices, and regular consumers are
poorly qualified to identify the good ones.
why do you think they're poorly qualified to identify a good
computer? it's not complicated with the barest minimum of research.
What makes you think that? Most people have no clue what makes a computer
good... heck, they have little idea what they want to do with it or what the
computer can do!
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ZnU
2010-05-07 16:44:30 UTC
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Post by ed
Post by ZnU
Post by ed
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but
come on, 'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls
what goes into the app store, Android is OPEN, do you really
think there won't be plenty of crappy apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be
spoon-fed what someone else thinks is good for you.
Read "The Paradox of Choice".  More choices leads to undesirable
results in many cases.
you need to reread the paradox of choice (or read it if you're only
basing your view on highlights you've read elsewhere)- more choice is
generally an issue if there are *excessive* choices, and only if you
have a certain temperament (maximizer).  there is no general 'more
choice bad (in many cases).'  and even then, it's *a*  viewpoint, not
a plain fact.
The problem in the Wintel hardware market (to pick a random example) is
that there are a lot of pretty lame choices, and regular consumers are
poorly qualified to identify the good ones.
why do you think they're poorly qualified to identify a good
computer? it's not complicated with the barest minimum of research.
Pretty optimistic outlook in a world where the average user doesn't seem
to grasp the distinction between a web browser and a search engine.
--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
Snit
2010-05-07 17:00:53 UTC
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Post by ed
Post by ZnU
The problem in the Wintel hardware market (to pick a random example) is
that there are a lot of pretty lame choices, and regular consumers are
poorly qualified to identify the good ones.
why do you think they're poorly qualified to identify a good
computer? it's not complicated with the barest minimum of research.
Pretty optimistic outlook in a world where the average user doesn't seem
to grasp the distinction between a web browser and a search engine.
I have seen that confusion with many, many people. And the concept of hard
drive vs. memory is also baffling. Much of the technology is.
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John Slade
2010-05-07 19:37:38 UTC
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Post by ZnU
Post by ed
Post by Snit
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but
come on, 'quality, not quantity that counts'? Apple controls
what goes into the app store, Android is OPEN, do you really
think there won't be plenty of crappy apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be
spoon-fed what someone else thinks is good for you.
Read "The Paradox of Choice". More choices leads to undesirable
results in many cases.
you need to reread the paradox of choice (or read it if you're only
basing your view on highlights you've read elsewhere)- more choice is
generally an issue if there are *excessive* choices, and only if you
have a certain temperament (maximizer). there is no general 'more
choice bad (in many cases).' and even then, it's *a* viewpoint, not
a plain fact.
The problem in the Wintel hardware market (to pick a random example) is
that there are a lot of pretty lame choices, and regular consumers are
poorly qualified to identify the good ones.
why do you think they're poorly qualified to identify a good
computer? it's not complicated with the barest minimum of research.
Yea especially when there are so many sources for good info
on what products are bad and good. These Apple folk have been
sheltered so much they don't realize what's been going on in the
real world, the one outside of Apple products.

John
Snit
2010-05-07 19:51:25 UTC
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Post by John Slade
Post by ed
Post by ZnU
Post by ed
Post by Snit
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but
come on, 'quality, not quantity that counts'? Apple controls
what goes into the app store, Android is OPEN, do you really
think there won't be plenty of crappy apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be
spoon-fed what someone else thinks is good for you.
Read "The Paradox of Choice". More choices leads to undesirable
results in many cases.
you need to reread the paradox of choice (or read it if you're only
basing your view on highlights you've read elsewhere)- more choice is
generally an issue if there are *excessive* choices, and only if you
have a certain temperament (maximizer). there is no general 'more
choice bad (in many cases).' and even then, it's *a* viewpoint, not
a plain fact.
The problem in the Wintel hardware market (to pick a random example) is
that there are a lot of pretty lame choices, and regular consumers are
poorly qualified to identify the good ones.
why do you think they're poorly qualified to identify a good
computer? it's not complicated with the barest minimum of research.
Yea especially when there are so many sources for good info
on what products are bad and good. These Apple folk have been
sheltered so much they don't realize what's been going on in the
real world, the one outside of Apple products.
John
Most Mac users also use PCs. Now you know!
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Rick
2010-05-07 10:01:02 UTC
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Post by Lloyd Parsons
In article
Post by ed
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come
on, 'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls what goes
into the app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there
won't be plenty of crappy apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be spoon-fed
what someone else thinks is good for you.
Read "The Paradox of Choice".  More choices leads to undesirable
results in many cases.
you need to reread the paradox of choice (or read it if you're only
basing your view on highlights you've read elsewhere)- more choice is
generally an issue if there are *excessive* choices, and only if you
have a certain temperament (maximizer). there is no general 'more
choice bad (in many cases).' and even then, it's *a* viewpoint, not a
plain fact.
The problem in the Wintel hardware market (to pick a random example) is
that there are a lot of pretty lame choices, and regular consumers are
poorly qualified to identify the good ones.
[snip]
Why is a regular user more qualified to identify Apple hardware as good
as opposed to other hardware?
--
Rick
Snit
2010-05-07 15:10:04 UTC
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Post by Rick
Post by Lloyd Parsons
In article
Post by ed
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come
on, 'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls what goes
into the app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there
won't be plenty of crappy apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be spoon-fed
what someone else thinks is good for you.
Read "The Paradox of Choice".  More choices leads to undesirable
results in many cases.
you need to reread the paradox of choice (or read it if you're only
basing your view on highlights you've read elsewhere)- more choice is
generally an issue if there are *excessive* choices, and only if you
have a certain temperament (maximizer). there is no general 'more
choice bad (in many cases).' and even then, it's *a* viewpoint, not a
plain fact.
The problem in the Wintel hardware market (to pick a random example) is
that there are a lot of pretty lame choices, and regular consumers are
poorly qualified to identify the good ones.
[snip]
Why is a regular user more qualified to identify Apple hardware as good
as opposed to other hardware?
Apple has fewer choices and they do not make low end "junk". Their hardware
options are, for the most part, more complete - a user is less likely to
find out after the purchase that they also need X, Y and Z.

There are some exceptions to this - gamers, for example, or even folks who
need high end graphics capabilities. Might even be a few who find they need
internal expandability and do not have it on an iMac. But these are not the
norm... with PCs things are very different. After the sale you realize how
the flimsy case makes the computer feel "cheap"... and fragile. You realize
the driver issues make some of the hardware not work right (though I have
seen this a lot less in recent years). You find you need extra software or
are lacking other things which "should" be included. And there are just
far more choices... which is not necessarily a bad thing, but it does come
at a price.
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ZnU
2010-05-07 16:42:44 UTC
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Post by Rick
Post by Lloyd Parsons
In article
Post by ed
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come
on, 'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls what goes
into the app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there
won't be plenty of crappy apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be spoon-fed
what someone else thinks is good for you.
Read "The Paradox of Choice".  More choices leads to undesirable
results in many cases.
you need to reread the paradox of choice (or read it if you're only
basing your view on highlights you've read elsewhere)- more choice is
generally an issue if there are *excessive* choices, and only if you
have a certain temperament (maximizer). there is no general 'more
choice bad (in many cases).' and even then, it's *a* viewpoint, not a
plain fact.
The problem in the Wintel hardware market (to pick a random example) is
that there are a lot of pretty lame choices, and regular consumers are
poorly qualified to identify the good ones.
[snip]
Why is a regular user more qualified to identify Apple hardware as good
as opposed to other hardware?
Have you _been_ to, say, Dell's web site? There are zillions of
different models with no clear differentiating factors, and you can pay
totally different prices for basically the same thing depending on how
you navigated the maze. And Dell is just *one* Wintel vendor. In
contrast, Apple has a very simple and well defined hardware lineup. It's
very easy to understand the trade-offs between their different model
lines. They have consistent pricing. And they tend not to sell machines
that are designed around meeting one or two specifications but suck for
general use (e.g. they don't sell laptops that have big screens but
weigh 9 pounds and have two hour battery life).
--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
Moshe
2010-05-07 16:51:53 UTC
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Post by Rick
Post by Lloyd Parsons
In article
Post by ed
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come
on, 'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls what goes
into the app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there
won't be plenty of crappy apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be spoon-fed
what someone else thinks is good for you.
Read "The Paradox of Choice".  More choices leads to undesirable
results in many cases.
you need to reread the paradox of choice (or read it if you're only
basing your view on highlights you've read elsewhere)- more choice is
generally an issue if there are *excessive* choices, and only if you
have a certain temperament (maximizer). there is no general 'more
choice bad (in many cases).' and even then, it's *a* viewpoint, not a
plain fact.
The problem in the Wintel hardware market (to pick a random example) is
that there are a lot of pretty lame choices, and regular consumers are
poorly qualified to identify the good ones.
[snip]
Why is a regular user more qualified to identify Apple hardware as good
as opposed to other hardware?
Have you _been_ to, say, Dell's web site? There are zillions of
different models with no clear differentiating factors, and you can pay
totally different prices for basically the same thing depending on how
you navigated the maze. And Dell is just *one* Wintel vendor. In
contrast, Apple has a very simple and well defined hardware lineup. It's
very easy to understand the trade-offs between their different model
lines. They have consistent pricing. And they tend not to sell machines
that are designed around meeting one or two specifications but suck for
general use (e.g. they don't sell laptops that have big screens but
weigh 9 pounds and have two hour battery life).
WRT to Dell that is a true statement.
Same goes for Lenovo.

Depending upon how and where you choose your components to build a
system you could end up with a completely different price than
someone else who chooses the same hardware but navigates the site
differently.
Snit
2010-05-07 17:02:24 UTC
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Post by ZnU
Post by Rick
Why is a regular user more qualified to identify Apple hardware as good
as opposed to other hardware?
Have you _been_ to, say, Dell's web site? There are zillions of
different models with no clear differentiating factors, and you can pay
totally different prices for basically the same thing depending on how
you navigated the maze. And Dell is just *one* Wintel vendor. In
contrast, Apple has a very simple and well defined hardware lineup. It's
very easy to understand the trade-offs between their different model
lines. They have consistent pricing. And they tend not to sell machines
that are designed around meeting one or two specifications but suck for
general use (e.g. they don't sell laptops that have big screens but
weigh 9 pounds and have two hour battery life).
WRT to Dell that is a true statement.
Same goes for Lenovo.
Depending upon how and where you choose your components to build a
system you could end up with a completely different price than
someone else who chooses the same hardware but navigates the site
differently.
And users are expected to understand both sites... their products... and
other companies to make an informed choice.

No wonder so many are dissatisfied with what they get.
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John Slade
2010-05-07 19:43:55 UTC
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Post by Rick
Post by Lloyd Parsons
In article
Post by ed
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come
on, 'quality, not quantity that counts'? Â Apple controls what goes
into the app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there
won't be plenty of crappy apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be spoon-fed
what someone else thinks is good for you.
Read "The Paradox of Choice". Â More choices leads to undesirable
results in many cases.
you need to reread the paradox of choice (or read it if you're only
basing your view on highlights you've read elsewhere)- more choice is
generally an issue if there are *excessive* choices, and only if you
have a certain temperament (maximizer). there is no general 'more
choice bad (in many cases).' and even then, it's *a* viewpoint, not a
plain fact.
The problem in the Wintel hardware market (to pick a random example) is
that there are a lot of pretty lame choices, and regular consumers are
poorly qualified to identify the good ones.
[snip]
Why is a regular user more qualified to identify Apple hardware as good
as opposed to other hardware?
Have you _been_ to, say, Dell's web site? There are zillions of
different models with no clear differentiating factors, and you can pay
totally different prices for basically the same thing depending on how
you navigated the maze. And Dell is just *one* Wintel vendor. In
contrast, Apple has a very simple and well defined hardware lineup. It's
very easy to understand the trade-offs between their different model
lines. They have consistent pricing. And they tend not to sell machines
that are designed around meeting one or two specifications but suck for
general use (e.g. they don't sell laptops that have big screens but
weigh 9 pounds and have two hour battery life).
Why do these Apple folk always focus on Dell? I guess
because Dell was so big and were the number one maker so long,
they hate Dell for selling more computers than Apple ever will.

I guess you haven't really looked at Dell's web site. On
each of those models, people can customize those systems. I
attribute this to those who built computers and made the
argument, you can't get custom stuff from the big vendors. Now
even Apple has some customization you can do.

The bottom like is this. HP makes more money selling
computer than Apple does. That's what it's all about.

John
Snit
2010-05-07 19:51:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Slade
Post by ZnU
Post by Rick
Why is a regular user more qualified to identify Apple hardware as good
as opposed to other hardware?
Have you _been_ to, say, Dell's web site? There are zillions of
different models with no clear differentiating factors, and you can pay
totally different prices for basically the same thing depending on how
you navigated the maze. And Dell is just *one* Wintel vendor. In
contrast, Apple has a very simple and well defined hardware lineup. It's
very easy to understand the trade-offs between their different model
lines. They have consistent pricing. And they tend not to sell machines
that are designed around meeting one or two specifications but suck for
general use (e.g. they don't sell laptops that have big screens but
weigh 9 pounds and have two hour battery life).
Why do these Apple folk always focus on Dell?
Dell was the big boy on the block for a long time. HP is now in the same
ballpark I believe.
Post by John Slade
I guess because Dell was so big and were the number one maker so long, they
hate Dell for selling more computers than Apple ever will.
Hate Dell for selling more computers? What? Where do you even get this
stuff from?
Post by John Slade
I guess you haven't really looked at Dell's web site.
Even though he just described it to you. And did so well.
Post by John Slade
On each of those models, people can customize those systems.
Nobody said otherwise.
Post by John Slade
I attribute this
to those who built computers and made the argument, you can't get custom stuff
from the big vendors. Now even Apple has some customization you can do.
Now? When did they not? And did you even read the comments you are
responding to? If so, it does not show.
Post by John Slade
The bottom like is this. HP makes more money selling computer than Apple does.
That's what it's all about.
Do they? I have no idea... but I know you will not support that claim.
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KDT
2010-05-07 22:54:32 UTC
Permalink
     The bottom like is this. HP makes more money selling
computer than Apple does. That's what it's all about.
Why do you specify "making computers". But I've already posted a link
showing that HP made about $500 Million in profit from computers --- a
lot less than Apple made.

So do you still think that HP made more money than Apple last year?
Moshe
2010-05-08 01:07:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Slade
Why do these Apple folk always focus on Dell? I guess
because Dell was so big and were the number one maker so long,
they hate Dell for selling more computers than Apple ever will.
I guess you haven't really looked at Dell's web site. On
each of those models, people can customize those systems. I
attribute this to those who built computers and made the
argument, you can't get custom stuff from the big vendors. Now
even Apple has some customization you can do.
The bottom like is this. HP makes more money selling
computer than Apple does. That's what it's all about.
John
HP's bread and butter is in high end servers and services
contracts.
Rick
2010-05-07 21:47:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by ZnU
Post by Rick
Post by Lloyd Parsons
In article
Post by ed
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but
come on, 'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls
what goes into the app store, Android is OPEN, do you really
think there won't be plenty of crappy apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be
spoon-fed what someone else thinks is good for you.
Read "The Paradox of Choice".  More choices leads to undesirable
results in many cases.
you need to reread the paradox of choice (or read it if you're only
basing your view on highlights you've read elsewhere)- more choice
is generally an issue if there are *excessive* choices, and only if
you have a certain temperament (maximizer). there is no general
'more choice bad (in many cases).' and even then, it's *a*
viewpoint, not a plain fact.
The problem in the Wintel hardware market (to pick a random example)
is that there are a lot of pretty lame choices, and regular consumers
are poorly qualified to identify the good ones.
[snip]
Why is a regular user more qualified to identify Apple hardware as good
as opposed to other hardware?
Have you _been_ to, say, Dell's web site? There are zillions of
different models with no clear differentiating factors, and you can pay
totally different prices for basically the same thing depending on how
you navigated the maze. And Dell is just *one* Wintel vendor. In
contrast, Apple has a very simple and well defined hardware lineup. It's
very easy to understand the trade-offs between their different model
lines. They have consistent pricing. And they tend not to sell machines
that are designed around meeting one or two specifications but suck for
general use (e.g. they don't sell laptops that have big screens but
weigh 9 pounds and have two hour battery life).
None of the above has anything to do with a regular user's qualification
to tell a "good" piece of hardware from one that is less "good".
--
Rick
Snit
2010-05-07 21:57:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rick
Post by ZnU
Post by Rick
Post by Lloyd Parsons
In article
Post by ed
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but
come on, 'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls
what goes into the app store, Android is OPEN, do you really
think there won't be plenty of crappy apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be
spoon-fed what someone else thinks is good for you.
Read "The Paradox of Choice".  More choices leads to undesirable
results in many cases.
you need to reread the paradox of choice (or read it if you're only
basing your view on highlights you've read elsewhere)- more choice
is generally an issue if there are *excessive* choices, and only if
you have a certain temperament (maximizer). there is no general
'more choice bad (in many cases).' and even then, it's *a*
viewpoint, not a plain fact.
The problem in the Wintel hardware market (to pick a random example)
is that there are a lot of pretty lame choices, and regular consumers
are poorly qualified to identify the good ones.
[snip]
Why is a regular user more qualified to identify Apple hardware as good
as opposed to other hardware?
Have you _been_ to, say, Dell's web site? There are zillions of
different models with no clear differentiating factors, and you can pay
totally different prices for basically the same thing depending on how
you navigated the maze. And Dell is just *one* Wintel vendor. In
contrast, Apple has a very simple and well defined hardware lineup. It's
very easy to understand the trade-offs between their different model
lines. They have consistent pricing. And they tend not to sell machines
that are designed around meeting one or two specifications but suck for
general use (e.g. they don't sell laptops that have big screens but
weigh 9 pounds and have two hour battery life).
None of the above has anything to do with a regular user's qualification
to tell a "good" piece of hardware from one that is less "good".
I accept that you do not see the relevance. Is there anything we can do to
help your comprehension levels?
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John Slade
2010-05-07 19:40:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rick
Post by Lloyd Parsons
In article
Post by ed
Post by Snit
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come
on, 'quality, not quantity that counts'? Apple controls what goes
into the app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there
won't be plenty of crappy apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be spoon-fed
what someone else thinks is good for you.
Read "The Paradox of Choice". More choices leads to undesirable
results in many cases.
you need to reread the paradox of choice (or read it if you're only
basing your view on highlights you've read elsewhere)- more choice is
generally an issue if there are *excessive* choices, and only if you
have a certain temperament (maximizer). there is no general 'more
choice bad (in many cases).' and even then, it's *a* viewpoint, not a
plain fact.
The problem in the Wintel hardware market (to pick a random example) is
that there are a lot of pretty lame choices, and regular consumers are
poorly qualified to identify the good ones.
[snip]
Why is a regular user more qualified to identify Apple hardware as good
as opposed to other hardware?
Apple hardware is about the same as other hardware. Apple
is based on a cult-like following that believes Apple when it
claims it's hardware is superior. Yet you open up the case and
find that the quality is not superior than anything you can get
over the counter.

John
Snit
2010-05-07 19:44:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Slade
Post by Rick
Post by ZnU
The problem in the Wintel hardware market (to pick a random example) is
that there are a lot of pretty lame choices, and regular consumers are
poorly qualified to identify the good ones.
[snip]
Why is a regular user more qualified to identify Apple hardware as good
as opposed to other hardware?
Apple hardware is about the same as other hardware. Apple
is based on a cult-like following that believes Apple when it
claims it's hardware is superior. Yet you open up the case and
find that the quality is not superior than anything you can get
over the counter.
You love to troll with the word "cult". Just thought you should know that
is one of your tells when you are just trying to get attention. :)
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KDT
2010-05-07 22:55:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rick
Post by Lloyd Parsons
In article
Post by ed
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come
on, 'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls what goes
into the app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there
won't be plenty of crappy apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be spoon-fed
what someone else thinks is good for you.
Read "The Paradox of Choice".  More choices leads to undesirable
results in many cases.
you need to reread the paradox of choice (or read it if you're only
basing your view on highlights you've read elsewhere)- more choice is
generally an issue if there are *excessive* choices, and only if you
have a certain temperament (maximizer).  there is no general 'more
choice bad (in many cases).'  and even then, it's *a*  viewpoint, not a
plain fact.
The problem in the Wintel hardware market (to pick a random example) is
that there are a lot of pretty lame choices, and regular consumers are
poorly qualified to identify the good ones.
[snip]
Why is a regular user more qualified to identify Apple hardware as good
as opposed to other hardware?
      Apple hardware is about the same as other hardware. Apple
is based on a cult-like following that believes Apple when it
claims it's hardware is superior. Yet you open up the case and
find that the quality is not superior than anything you can get
over the counter.
John
So are other vendors battery life comparable to Apple's?
Snit
2010-05-07 22:58:36 UTC
Permalink
KDT stated in post
Post by KDT
Post by Rick
Post by Lloyd Parsons
In article
Post by ed
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but come
on, 'quality, not quantity that counts'?  Apple controls what goes
into the app store, Android is OPEN, do you really think there
won't be plenty of crappy apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be spoon-fed
what someone else thinks is good for you.
Read "The Paradox of Choice".  More choices leads to undesirable
results in many cases.
you need to reread the paradox of choice (or read it if you're only
basing your view on highlights you've read elsewhere)- more choice is
generally an issue if there are *excessive* choices, and only if you
have a certain temperament (maximizer).  there is no general 'more
choice bad (in many cases).'  and even then, it's *a*  viewpoint, not a
plain fact.
The problem in the Wintel hardware market (to pick a random example) is
that there are a lot of pretty lame choices, and regular consumers are
poorly qualified to identify the good ones.
[snip]
Why is a regular user more qualified to identify Apple hardware as good
as opposed to other hardware?
      Apple hardware is about the same as other hardware. Apple
is based on a cult-like following that believes Apple when it
claims it's hardware is superior. Yet you open up the case and
find that the quality is not superior than anything you can get
over the counter.
John
So are other vendors battery life comparable to Apple's?
Of course not - Apple's notebooks run on Cult-power! :)
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Chris Ahlstrom
2010-05-07 23:47:53 UTC
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Post by KDT
So are other vendors battery life comparable to Apple's?
There are a wide range of rated battery lives on laptops.

A lot of them are only rated 2 to 3 hours, which is a maximum
value, not a typical usage value.

My Acer low-voltage laptop (not a netbook) is rated over 8 hours,
and I get about 4.5 to 5 hours when using it for wireless browsing
and writing code.
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You will probably marry after a very brief courtship.
KDT
2010-05-08 01:00:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by KDT
So are other vendors battery life comparable to Apple's?
There are a wide range of rated battery lives on laptops.
A lot of them are only rated 2 to 3 hours, which is a maximum
value, not a typical usage value.
My Acer low-voltage laptop (not a netbook) is rated over 8 hours,
and I get about 4.5 to 5 hours when using it for wireless browsing
and writing code.
--
You will probably marry after a very brief courtship.
So which processor does your Acer user?
John Slade
2010-05-07 19:36:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lloyd Parsons
In article
Post by ed
Post by Snit
Post by Lloyd Parsons
I won't dispute the numbers because it is all guesswork, but
come on, 'quality, not quantity that counts'? Apple controls
what goes into the app store, Android is OPEN, do you really
think there won't be plenty of crappy apps in there?
More choices require you to use your brain rather than be
spoon-fed what someone else thinks is good for you.
Read "The Paradox of Choice". More choices leads to undesirable
results in many cases.
you need to reread the paradox of choice (or read it if you're only
basing your view on highlights you've read elsewhere)- more choice is
generally an issue if there are *excessive* choices, and only if you
have a certain temperament (maximizer). there is no general 'more
choice bad (in many cases).' and even then, it's *a* viewpoint, not
a plain fact.
The problem in the Wintel hardware market (to pick a random example) is
that there are a lot of pretty lame choices, and regular consumers are
poorly qualified to identify the good ones.
[snip]
Apple makes Wintel boxes now. That's because the Wintel
market has GREAT choices. They were so great that Apple had to
start making clones because Apple was left in the dust
technologically.

I see now you're going to tell users they don't know what
to get so you should let Apple decide what's best. Like I said,
Apple OS X is an example of communism and Windows/Android/Linux
are examples of the free market.

John
Snit
2010-05-07 19:43:01 UTC
Permalink
John Slade stated in post hs1q4r$453$***@news.eternal-september.org on 5/7/10
12:36 PM:

...
Post by John Slade
Post by ZnU
The problem in the Wintel hardware market (to pick a random example) is
that there are a lot of pretty lame choices, and regular consumers are
poorly qualified to identify the good ones.
[snip]
Apple makes Wintel boxes now.
Apple does not make *any* Wintel boxes... you cannot buy Windows from Apple.
Post by John Slade
That's because the Wintel
market has GREAT choices. They were so great that Apple had to
start making clones because Apple was left in the dust
technologically.
Ah, your normal drivel where you are refuted then you ignore it. Boring.
Post by John Slade
I see now you're going to tell users they don't know what
to get so you should let Apple decide what's best. Like I said,
Apple OS X is an example of communism and Windows/Android/Linux
are examples of the free market.
Apple is *communism* to you? LOL! You clearly have no idea what that
means. None.
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chrisv
2010-05-07 12:36:37 UTC
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*plonk*
Alan Baker
2010-05-05 20:53:31 UTC
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Post by Edwin
"150,000 Android Apps Predicted By End Of 2010
by Carl Channon on December 26th, 2009"
"Im sure youll agree the Android market is constantly growing with a
reportedly 20,000+ apps and games already in the marketplace. Well
according to mobile analytics firm Flurry in an interview with Business
Week, they predict their could be a whopping 150,000 apps this time next
year."
"Chief Executive Officer of Flurry Simon Khalaf said because of efforts
by Verizon Wireless, Motorola Inc. and Google to promote the system A lot
of developers have come onto the Android platform."
"He goes on to say Apples site for its iPhone and iPod touch devices may
have at least 300,000 applications by the end of next year. Google will
have 100,000 to 150,000″"
"Very interesting considering the predicted momentum of growth for
Android’s marketplace is huge, 4  6 times the size it is now in fact.
Though Apples app store is considered to be larger in apps I believe its
quality, not quantity that counts. Well have to wait and see what 2010
brings however either way Im looking forward to what Android overall has
to offer!"
"What do you think? Is this prediction from Flurry what youd expect for
the Android Marketplace in 2010?"
http://phandroid.com/2009/12/26/150000-android-apps-predicted-for-end-of-2010/
Sorry, Edwin, but you've declared such discussions off topic here....
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
KDT
2010-05-05 22:26:00 UTC
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Post by Edwin
"150,000 Android Apps Predicted By End Of 2010
by Carl Channon on December 26th, 2009"  
"I’m sure you’ll agree the Android market is constantly growing with a
reportedly 20,000+ apps and games  already in the marketplace. Well
according to mobile analytics firm Flurry in an interview with ‘Business
Week‘, they predict their could be a whopping 150,000 apps this time next
year."
"Chief Executive Officer of Flurry ‘Simon Khalaf’ said because of efforts
by Verizon Wireless, Motorola Inc. and Google to promote the system “A lot
of developers have come onto the Android platform”."
"He goes on to say Apple’s site for its iPhone and iPod touch devices “may
have at least 300,000 applications by the end of next year. Google will
have 100,000 to 150,000″"
"Very interesting considering the predicted momentum of growth for
Android’s marketplace is huge, 4 – 6 times the size it is now in fact.
Though Apple’s app store is considered to be larger in apps I believe “it’s
quality, not quantity” that counts. We’ll have to wait and see what 2010
brings however either way I’m looking forward to what Android overall has
to offer!"
"What do you think? Is this prediction from Flurry what you’d expect for
the Android Marketplace in 2010?"
http://phandroid.com/2009/12/26/150000-android-apps-predicted-for-end...
How many of those are from major developers?
Kyle
2010-05-06 00:14:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Edwin
"150,000 Android Apps Predicted By End Of 2010
by Carl Channon on December 26th, 2009"
"I'm sure you'll agree the Android market is constantly growing with a
reportedly 20,000+ apps and games already in the marketplace. Well
according to mobile analytics firm Flurry in an interview with 'Business
Week', they predict their could be a whopping 150,000 apps this time next
year."
"Chief Executive Officer of Flurry 'Simon Khalaf' said because of efforts
by Verizon Wireless, Motorola Inc. and Google to promote the system "A lot
of developers have come onto the Android platform"."
"He goes on to say Apple's site for its iPhone and iPod touch devices "may
have at least 300,000 applications by the end of next year. Google will
have 100,000 to 150,000?"
"Very interesting considering the predicted momentum of growth for
Android's marketplace is huge, 4 - 6 times the size it is now in fact.
Though Apple's app store is considered to be larger in apps I believe "it's
quality, not quantity" that counts. We'll have to wait and see what 2010
brings however either way I'm looking forward to what Android overall has
to offer!"
"What do you think? Is this prediction from Flurry what you'd expect for
the Android Marketplace in 2010?"
http://phandroid.com/2009/12/26/150000-android-apps-predicted-for-end...
How many of those are from major developers?

How many Apple apps are from *major* developers?
Edwin
2010-05-06 22:14:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by KDT
Post by Edwin
"150,000 Android Apps Predicted By End Of 2010
by Carl Channon on December 26th, 2009"
"I'm sure you'll agree the Android market is constantly growing with a
reportedly 20,000+ apps and games already in the marketplace. Well
according to mobile analytics firm Flurry in an interview with 'Business
Week', they predict their could be a whopping 150,000 apps this time next
year."
"Chief Executive Officer of Flurry 'Simon Khalaf' said because of efforts
by Verizon Wireless, Motorola Inc. and Google to promote the system "A lot
of developers have come onto the Android platform"."
"He goes on to say Apple's site for its iPhone and iPod touch devices "may
have at least 300,000 applications by the end of next year. Google will
have 100,000 to 150,000?"
"Very interesting considering the predicted momentum of growth for
Android's marketplace is huge, 4 - 6 times the size it is now in fact.
Though Apple's app store is considered to be larger in apps I believe "it's
quality, not quantity" that counts. We'll have to wait and see what 2010
brings however either way I'm looking forward to what Android overall has
to offer!"
"What do you think? Is this prediction from Flurry what you'd expect for
the Android Marketplace in 2010?"
http://phandroid.com/2009/12/26/150000-android-apps-predicted-for-end...
How many of those are from major developers?
How many Apple apps are from *major* developers?
KDT has run for the cover of the tall grass... now Alan Baker won't be
lonely...
KDT
2010-05-06 23:39:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by KDT
Post by Edwin
"150,000 Android Apps Predicted By End Of 2010
by Carl Channon on December 26th, 2009"
"I'm sure you'll agree the Android market is constantly growing with a
reportedly 20,000+ apps and games already in the marketplace. Well
according to mobile analytics firm Flurry in an interview with 'Business
Week', they predict their could be a whopping 150,000 apps this time next
year."
"Chief Executive Officer of Flurry 'Simon Khalaf' said because of efforts
by Verizon Wireless, Motorola Inc. and Google to promote the system "A lot
of developers have come onto the Android platform"."
"He goes on to say Apple's site for its iPhone and iPod touch devices "may
have at least 300,000 applications by the end of next year. Google will
have 100,000 to 150,000?"
"Very interesting considering the predicted momentum of growth for
Android's marketplace is huge, 4 - 6 times the size it is now in fact.
Though Apple's app store is considered to be larger in apps I believe "it's
quality, not quantity" that counts. We'll have to wait and see what 2010
brings however either way I'm looking forward to what Android overall has
to offer!"
"What do you think? Is this prediction from Flurry what you'd expect for
the Android Marketplace in 2010?"
http://phandroid.com/2009/12/26/150000-android-apps-predicted-for-end...
How many of those are from major developers?
How many Apple apps are from *major* developers?
Let me rephrase, out of the top 10 game development studios, how many
are developing apps for Android -- especially games?
Kyle
2010-05-07 00:26:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by KDT
Post by Edwin
"150,000 Android Apps Predicted By End Of 2010
by Carl Channon on December 26th, 2009"
"I'm sure you'll agree the Android market is constantly growing with a
reportedly 20,000+ apps and games already in the marketplace. Well
according to mobile analytics firm Flurry in an interview with 'Business
Week', they predict their could be a whopping 150,000 apps this time next
year."
"Chief Executive Officer of Flurry 'Simon Khalaf' said because of efforts
by Verizon Wireless, Motorola Inc. and Google to promote the system "A lot
of developers have come onto the Android platform"."
"He goes on to say Apple's site for its iPhone and iPod touch devices "may
have at least 300,000 applications by the end of next year. Google will
have 100,000 to 150,000?"
"Very interesting considering the predicted momentum of growth for
Android's marketplace is huge, 4 - 6 times the size it is now in fact.
Though Apple's app store is considered to be larger in apps I believe "it's
quality, not quantity" that counts. We'll have to wait and see what 2010
brings however either way I'm looking forward to what Android overall has
to offer!"
"What do you think? Is this prediction from Flurry what you'd expect for
the Android Marketplace in 2010?"
http://phandroid.com/2009/12/26/150000-android-apps-predicted-for-end...
How many of those are from major developers?
How many Apple apps are from *major* developers?
Let me rephrase, out of the top 10 game development studios, how many
are developing apps for Android -- especially games?

Is that not known as moving the goal post?
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