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n***@gmail.com
2008-03-13 18:26:59 UTC
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Hey all,
I'm seriously considering getting out of my current Verizon phone
contract and paying all the money I'm going to have to pay to make the
switch to something more robust.

Quick background --
I work for Big Corporate America where I'm essentially cut off from a
lot of things during the day while at work (thank god not Google
Groups.) I can't access my personal email (gmail, yahoo, road runner,
etc) and I'm blocked from a lot of websites. I need a device that
will allow me to at least check personal email (so I can cut down on
the amount of personal emails I get and make at work) and perhaps
access a few sites. [btw - when I've mentioned this before, people
go on tangental rants about how I shouldn't want to check personal
emails while at work, don't I work?, etc -- that's up to me and yes, I
do work -- very hard... but I've had enough of being cut off during
the day and being so restricted and until I can get another job that
liberates me I need a solution]

So I'm exploring options.

I'm thinking the best solution is to go with the iPhone, but I wanted
to get some feedback from users of either iPhones or other devices
(BlackBerry, Palm, etc) on what works, what doesn't work, what you can
do, what you can't do, features, things you don't like (usability),
things you like, etc.

Any feedback on devices is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Kevin Weaver
2008-03-13 18:31:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by n***@gmail.com
Hey all,
I'm seriously considering getting out of my current Verizon phone
contract and paying all the money I'm going to have to pay to make the
switch to something more robust.
Quick background --
I work for Big Corporate America where I'm essentially cut off from a
lot of things during the day while at work (thank god not Google
Groups.) I can't access my personal email (gmail, yahoo, road runner,
etc) and I'm blocked from a lot of websites. I need a device that
will allow me to at least check personal email (so I can cut down on
the amount of personal emails I get and make at work) and perhaps
access a few sites. [btw - when I've mentioned this before, people
go on tangental rants about how I shouldn't want to check personal
emails while at work, don't I work?, etc -- that's up to me and yes, I
do work -- very hard... but I've had enough of being cut off during
the day and being so restricted and until I can get another job that
liberates me I need a solution]
So I'm exploring options.
I'm thinking the best solution is to go with the iPhone, but I wanted
to get some feedback from users of either iPhones or other devices
(BlackBerry, Palm, etc) on what works, what doesn't work, what you can
do, what you can't do, features, things you don't like (usability),
things you like, etc.
Any feedback on devices is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
It's what works for you.
Go down and look at them all. What works for some, may not work for you.
n***@gmail.com
2008-03-13 18:37:49 UTC
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Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by n***@gmail.com
Hey all,
I'm seriously considering getting out of my current Verizon phone
contract and paying all the money I'm going to have to pay to make the
switch to something more robust.
Quick background --
I work for Big Corporate America where I'm essentially cut off from a
lot of things during the day while at work (thank god not Google
Groups.)  I can't access my personal email (gmail, yahoo, road runner,
etc) and I'm blocked from a lot of websites.  I need a device that
will allow me to at least check personal email (so I can cut down on
the amount of personal emails I get and make at work) and perhaps
access a few sites.  [btw -  when I've mentioned this before, people
go on tangental rants about how I shouldn't want to check personal
emails while at work, don't I work?, etc -- that's up to me and yes, I
do work -- very hard... but I've had enough of being cut off during
the day and being so restricted and until I can get another job that
liberates me I need a solution]
So I'm exploring options.
I'm thinking the best solution is to go with the iPhone, but I wanted
to get some feedback from users of either iPhones or other devices
(BlackBerry, Palm, etc) on what works, what doesn't work, what you can
do, what you can't do, features, things you don't like (usability),
things you like, etc.
Any feedback on devices is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
It's what works for you.
Go down and look at them all. What works for some, may not work for you.- Hide quoted text -
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I understand how to do the research and read the features. What I am
looking for is real-world feedback from people who use these devices.
Perhaps what works for one might be something I had not considered
before and therefore it was good to have heard what they had to say.
Mayor of R'lyeh
2008-03-13 18:40:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by n***@gmail.com
Hey all,
I'm seriously considering getting out of my current Verizon phone
contract and paying all the money I'm going to have to pay to make the
switch to something more robust.
Quick background --
I work for Big Corporate America where I'm essentially cut off from a
lot of things during the day while at work (thank god not Google
Groups.) I can't access my personal email (gmail, yahoo, road runner,
etc) and I'm blocked from a lot of websites. I need a device that
will allow me to at least check personal email (so I can cut down on
the amount of personal emails I get and make at work) and perhaps
access a few sites. [btw - when I've mentioned this before, people
go on tangental rants about how I shouldn't want to check personal
emails while at work, don't I work?, etc -- that's up to me and yes, I
do work -- very hard... but I've had enough of being cut off during
the day and being so restricted and until I can get another job that
liberates me I need a solution]
So I'm exploring options.
I'm thinking the best solution is to go with the iPhone, but I wanted
to get some feedback from users of either iPhones or other devices
(BlackBerry, Palm, etc) on what works, what doesn't work, what you can
do, what you can't do, features, things you don't like (usability),
things you like, etc.
Any feedback on devices is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
You should get a computer for your home and read your personal email
there. I'm tired of having to work twice as hard to make up for lazy
leaches like you.
--
Why settle for the lesser evil?
Cthulhu for president 2008.
n***@gmail.com
2008-03-13 18:47:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mayor of R'lyeh
Post by n***@gmail.com
Hey all,
I'm seriously considering getting out of my current Verizon phone
contract and paying all the money I'm going to have to pay to make the
switch to something more robust.
Quick background --
I work for Big Corporate America where I'm essentially cut off from a
lot of things during the day while at work (thank god not Google
Groups.)  I can't access my personal email (gmail, yahoo, road runner,
etc) and I'm blocked from a lot of websites.  I need a device that
will allow me to at least check personal email (so I can cut down on
the amount of personal emails I get and make at work) and perhaps
access a few sites.  [btw -  when I've mentioned this before, people
go on tangental rants about how I shouldn't want to check personal
emails while at work, don't I work?, etc -- that's up to me and yes, I
do work -- very hard... but I've had enough of being cut off during
the day and being so restricted and until I can get another job that
liberates me I need a solution]
So I'm exploring options.
I'm thinking the best solution is to go with the iPhone, but I wanted
to get some feedback from users of either iPhones or other devices
(BlackBerry, Palm, etc) on what works, what doesn't work, what you can
do, what you can't do, features, things you don't like (usability),
things you like, etc.
Any feedback on devices is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
You should get a computer for your home and read your personal email
there. I'm tired of having to work twice as hard to make up for lazy
leaches like you.
HA! I was expecting some dumbass like you to troll this thread.

Unless you're a highly functioning manager, like me, in my department
and are overstepping your job function boundaries believe me -- you
will never make up for anything (I doubt you could anyway). Do you
actually think I don't have a computer at home?

<Mayor's ass is killfiled>
Mayor of R'lyeh
2008-03-13 18:53:59 UTC
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Post by n***@gmail.com
Post by Mayor of R'lyeh
Post by n***@gmail.com
Hey all,
I'm seriously considering getting out of my current Verizon phone
contract and paying all the money I'm going to have to pay to make the
switch to something more robust.
Quick background --
I work for Big Corporate America where I'm essentially cut off from a
lot of things during the day while at work (thank god not Google
Groups.)  I can't access my personal email (gmail, yahoo, road runner,
etc) and I'm blocked from a lot of websites.  I need a device that
will allow me to at least check personal email (so I can cut down on
the amount of personal emails I get and make at work) and perhaps
access a few sites.  [btw -  when I've mentioned this before, people
go on tangental rants about how I shouldn't want to check personal
emails while at work, don't I work?, etc -- that's up to me and yes, I
do work -- very hard... but I've had enough of being cut off during
the day and being so restricted and until I can get another job that
liberates me I need a solution]
So I'm exploring options.
I'm thinking the best solution is to go with the iPhone, but I wanted
to get some feedback from users of either iPhones or other devices
(BlackBerry, Palm, etc) on what works, what doesn't work, what you can
do, what you can't do, features, things you don't like (usability),
things you like, etc.
Any feedback on devices is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
You should get a computer for your home and read your personal email
there. I'm tired of having to work twice as hard to make up for lazy
leaches like you.
HA! I was expecting some dumbass like you to troll this thread.
Translation: You don't want to hear the truth.
Post by n***@gmail.com
Unless you're a highly functioning manager, like me,
Yeah, right. Playing on the computer all day and scheming to do it
even more makes you something but it isn't 'highly functioning'.
Post by n***@gmail.com
in my department
and are overstepping your job function boundaries believe me -- you
will never make up for anything (I doubt you could anyway).
All of the work you don't do while you're playing has to be made up by
someone. And I know you don't have a job at my company. You'd have
been gone a long time ago with your work 'ethic'.
Post by n***@gmail.com
Do you actually think I don't have a computer at home?
Maybe you should use it sometime then.
Post by n***@gmail.com
<Mayor's ass is killfiled>
Translation: The lazy coward can't stand to be told the truth.
--
Why settle for the lesser evil?
Cthulhu for president 2008.
n***@gmail.com
2008-03-13 19:00:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mayor of R'lyeh
Post by Mayor of R'lyeh
Post by n***@gmail.com
Hey all,
I'm seriously considering getting out of my current Verizon phone
contract and paying all the money I'm going to have to pay to make the
switch to something more robust.
Quick background --
I work for Big Corporate America where I'm essentially cut off from a
lot of things during the day while at work (thank god not Google
Groups.)  I can't access my personal email (gmail, yahoo, road runner,
etc) and I'm blocked from a lot of websites.  I need a device that
will allow me to at least check personal email (so I can cut down on
the amount of personal emails I get and make at work) and perhaps
access a few sites.  [btw -  when I've mentioned this before, people
go on tangental rants about how I shouldn't want to check personal
emails while at work, don't I work?, etc -- that's up to me and yes, I
do work -- very hard... but I've had enough of being cut off during
the day and being so restricted and until I can get another job that
liberates me I need a solution]
So I'm exploring options.
I'm thinking the best solution is to go with the iPhone, but I wanted
to get some feedback from users of either iPhones or other devices
(BlackBerry, Palm, etc) on what works, what doesn't work, what you can
do, what you can't do, features, things you don't like (usability),
things you like, etc.
Any feedback on devices is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
You should get a computer for your home and read your personal email
there. I'm tired of having to work twice as hard to make up for lazy
leaches like you.
HA!  I was expecting some dumbass like you to troll this thread.
Translation: You don't want to hear the truth.
Unless you're a highly functioning manager, like me,
Yeah, right. Playing on the computer all day and scheming to do it
even more makes you something but it isn't 'highly functioning'.
in my department
and are overstepping your job function boundaries believe me -- you
will never make up for anything (I doubt you could anyway).
All of the work you don't do while you're playing has to be made up by
someone. And I know you don't have a job at my company. You'd have
been gone a long time ago with your work 'ethic'.
Why do you think I don't do my work? I'm a top-rated performer every
year with nothing but accolades for what I produce. I get my work
done on time or ahead of deadlines without fail and go way more than
the extra mile. You've got a very twisted mentality.
Mayor of R'lyeh
2008-03-13 19:17:42 UTC
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Post by n***@gmail.com
Post by Mayor of R'lyeh
Post by Mayor of R'lyeh
Post by n***@gmail.com
Hey all,
I'm seriously considering getting out of my current Verizon phone
contract and paying all the money I'm going to have to pay to make the
switch to something more robust.
Quick background --
I work for Big Corporate America where I'm essentially cut off from a
lot of things during the day while at work (thank god not Google
Groups.)  I can't access my personal email (gmail, yahoo, road runner,
etc) and I'm blocked from a lot of websites.  I need a device that
will allow me to at least check personal email (so I can cut down on
the amount of personal emails I get and make at work) and perhaps
access a few sites.  [btw -  when I've mentioned this before, people
go on tangental rants about how I shouldn't want to check personal
emails while at work, don't I work?, etc -- that's up to me and yes, I
do work -- very hard... but I've had enough of being cut off during
the day and being so restricted and until I can get another job that
liberates me I need a solution]
So I'm exploring options.
I'm thinking the best solution is to go with the iPhone, but I wanted
to get some feedback from users of either iPhones or other devices
(BlackBerry, Palm, etc) on what works, what doesn't work, what you can
do, what you can't do, features, things you don't like (usability),
things you like, etc.
Any feedback on devices is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
You should get a computer for your home and read your personal email
there. I'm tired of having to work twice as hard to make up for lazy
leaches like you.
HA!  I was expecting some dumbass like you to troll this thread.
Translation: You don't want to hear the truth.
Unless you're a highly functioning manager, like me,
Yeah, right. Playing on the computer all day and scheming to do it
even more makes you something but it isn't 'highly functioning'.
in my department
and are overstepping your job function boundaries believe me -- you
will never make up for anything (I doubt you could anyway).
All of the work you don't do while you're playing has to be made up by
someone. And I know you don't have a job at my company. You'd have
been gone a long time ago with your work 'ethic'.
Why do you think I don't do my work?
Because you bragged about not doing your work. Could that be it?
Post by n***@gmail.com
I'm a top-rated performer every
year with nothing but accolades for what I produce.
This is Usenet. We're all top rated managers, CEOs and
multi-millionaires who spend our time hobnobbing with the rich and
famous when we're not posting.
The truth is that you're most likely some boring guy with some boring
run of the mill job. Every place I've ever worked the guys like you
who played on the Internet were the ones no one counted on to get
anything done. Everyone else in their department did all the work no
matter what the offenders rank. If you really are a 'top rated'
manager its because your people are carrying the load you should be
shouldering and you're taking the credit.
Post by n***@gmail.com
I get my work
done on time or ahead of deadlines without fail and go way more than
the extra mile. You've got a very twisted mentality.
No, I've got experience with lazy leaches like you represent yourself
to be.
And your killfile seems to be broken.
--
Why settle for the lesser evil?
Cthulhu for president 2008.
'Sumer
2008-03-15 05:52:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mayor of R'lyeh
Post by n***@gmail.com
Post by Mayor of R'lyeh
Post by Mayor of R'lyeh
Post by n***@gmail.com
Hey all,
I'm seriously considering getting out of my current Verizon phone
contract and paying all the money I'm going to have to pay to make the
switch to something more robust.
Quick background --
I work for Big Corporate America where I'm essentially cut off from a
lot of things during the day while at work (thank god not Google
Groups.) I can't access my personal email (gmail, yahoo, road
runner,
etc) and I'm blocked from a lot of websites. I need a device that
will allow me to at least check personal email (so I can cut down on
the amount of personal emails I get and make at work) and perhaps
access a few sites. [btw - when I've mentioned this before, people
go on tangental rants about how I shouldn't want to check personal
emails while at work, don't I work?, etc -- that's up to me and yes, I
do work -- very hard... but I've had enough of being cut off during
the day and being so restricted and until I can get another job that
liberates me I need a solution]
So I'm exploring options.
I'm thinking the best solution is to go with the iPhone, but I wanted
to get some feedback from users of either iPhones or other devices
(BlackBerry, Palm, etc) on what works, what doesn't work, what you can
do, what you can't do, features, things you don't like (usability),
things you like, etc.
Any feedback on devices is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
You should get a computer for your home and read your personal email
there. I'm tired of having to work twice as hard to make up for lazy
leaches like you.
HA! I was expecting some dumbass like you to troll this thread.
Translation: You don't want to hear the truth.
Unless you're a highly functioning manager, like me,
Yeah, right. Playing on the computer all day and scheming to do it
even more makes you something but it isn't 'highly functioning'.
in my department
and are overstepping your job function boundaries believe me -- you
will never make up for anything (I doubt you could anyway).
All of the work you don't do while you're playing has to be made up by
someone. And I know you don't have a job at my company. You'd have
been gone a long time ago with your work 'ethic'.
Why do you think I don't do my work?
Because you bragged about not doing your work. Could that be it?
Post by n***@gmail.com
I'm a top-rated performer every
year with nothing but accolades for what I produce.
This is Usenet. We're all top rated managers, CEOs and
multi-millionaires who spend our time hobnobbing with the rich and
famous when we're not posting.
The truth is that you're most likely some boring guy with some boring
run of the mill job. Every place I've ever worked the guys like you
who played on the Internet were the ones no one counted on to get
anything done. Everyone else in their department did all the work no
matter what the offenders rank. If you really are a 'top rated'
manager its because your people are carrying the load you should be
shouldering and you're taking the credit.
Post by n***@gmail.com
I get my work
done on time or ahead of deadlines without fail and go way more than
the extra mile. You've got a very twisted mentality.
No, I've got experience with lazy leaches like you represent yourself
to be.
And your killfile seems to be broken.
Oh my God! You need to get laid! You're waaaaaay tooooo tightly wound up.
Your mind is sooooo small. it's like you lack all ability to even ...
think.

You're silly and pathetic. Are you happy? Do you feel like you made your
point? Looks like that killfile worked for the OP.
MuahMan
2008-03-13 18:50:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by n***@gmail.com
Hey all,
I'm seriously considering getting out of my current Verizon phone
contract and paying all the money I'm going to have to pay to make the
switch to something more robust.
Quick background --
I work for Big Corporate America where I'm essentially cut off from a
lot of things during the day while at work (thank god not Google
Groups.) I can't access my personal email (gmail, yahoo, road runner,
etc) and I'm blocked from a lot of websites. I need a device that
will allow me to at least check personal email (so I can cut down on
the amount of personal emails I get and make at work) and perhaps
access a few sites. [btw - when I've mentioned this before, people
go on tangental rants about how I shouldn't want to check personal
emails while at work, don't I work?, etc -- that's up to me and yes, I
do work -- very hard... but I've had enough of being cut off during
the day and being so restricted and until I can get another job that
liberates me I need a solution]
So I'm exploring options.
I'm thinking the best solution is to go with the iPhone, but I wanted
to get some feedback from users of either iPhones or other devices
(BlackBerry, Palm, etc) on what works, what doesn't work, what you can
do, what you can't do, features, things you don't like (usability),
things you like, etc.
Any feedback on devices is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
If you can't get on WiFi at work do not get an iPhone. EDGE is 100% unusable
for surfing. It takes over 3 minutes load EPSN.com. If you can get on a wifi
with it the browser is nice. The Blackberries tell you when you get an
email, the iPhone doesn't. You have to actually check, which is annoying. I
have both an BB8830 and an iPhone (won it for a doing a certain amount of
volume with an affiliatte network). Overall the BB gets the slight nod.
MuahMan
2008-03-13 18:58:56 UTC
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Post by MuahMan
Post by n***@gmail.com
Hey all,
I'm seriously considering getting out of my current Verizon phone
contract and paying all the money I'm going to have to pay to make the
switch to something more robust.
Quick background --
I work for Big Corporate America where I'm essentially cut off from a
lot of things during the day while at work (thank god not Google
Groups.) I can't access my personal email (gmail, yahoo, road runner,
etc) and I'm blocked from a lot of websites. I need a device that
will allow me to at least check personal email (so I can cut down on
the amount of personal emails I get and make at work) and perhaps
access a few sites. [btw - when I've mentioned this before, people
go on tangental rants about how I shouldn't want to check personal
emails while at work, don't I work?, etc -- that's up to me and yes, I
do work -- very hard... but I've had enough of being cut off during
the day and being so restricted and until I can get another job that
liberates me I need a solution]
So I'm exploring options.
I'm thinking the best solution is to go with the iPhone, but I wanted
to get some feedback from users of either iPhones or other devices
(BlackBerry, Palm, etc) on what works, what doesn't work, what you can
do, what you can't do, features, things you don't like (usability),
things you like, etc.
Any feedback on devices is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
If you can't get on WiFi at work do not get an iPhone. EDGE is 100%
unusable for surfing. It takes over 3 minutes load EPSN.com. If you can
get on a wifi with it the browser is nice. The Blackberries tell you when
you get an email, the iPhone doesn't. You have to actually check, which is
annoying. I have both an BB8830 and an iPhone (won it for a doing a
certain amount of volume with an affiliatte network). Overall the BB gets
the slight nod.
Check out these graphs comparning the EDGE network and a EVDO network. Edge
=dialup

http://www.swivel.com/graphs/show/5122523
nospamatall
2008-03-13 21:59:18 UTC
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Post by MuahMan
Check out these graphs comparning the EDGE network and a EVDO network.
Edge =dialup
both are primitive and on the way out.
MuahMan
2008-03-13 22:07:19 UTC
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Post by nospamatall
Post by MuahMan
Check out these graphs comparning the EDGE network and a EVDO network.
Edge =dialup
both are primitive and on the way out.
He wasn't asking which device to get in 3-5 years. So your advice is go
with super slow Edge? Dialup speeds are really what you suggest?
nospamatall
2008-03-14 10:04:29 UTC
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Post by MuahMan
Post by nospamatall
Post by MuahMan
Check out these graphs comparning the EDGE network and a EVDO network.
Edge =dialup
both are primitive and on the way out.
He wasn't asking which device to get in 3-5 years. So your advice is go
with super slow Edge? Dialup speeds are really what you suggest?
The 'alternatives' don't work properly because they are intentionally
crippled by the carriers, drain your batteries and cost too much. If
you're in reach of a cell tower, why can't you get wi-fi? No good
reason, only the cellular providers' priorities. Why support them? That
only helps make it even longer before we have a useful and efficient
network.
Kevin Weaver
2008-03-14 00:50:28 UTC
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Post by nospamatall
Post by MuahMan
Check out these graphs comparning the EDGE network and a EVDO network.
Edge =dialup
both are primitive and on the way out.
Might be primitive but not on the way out.
You think AT&T would just let all the iPhone users out of a contract ?
nospamatall
2008-03-14 10:06:51 UTC
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Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by nospamatall
Post by MuahMan
Check out these graphs comparning the EDGE network and a EVDO network.
Edge =dialup
both are primitive and on the way out.
Might be primitive but not on the way out.
You think AT&T would just let all the iPhone users out of a contract ?
Yes I know, you're right, but the only restrictions on a completely
useable and easy network are the cell providers. There's no physical
reason it could not be vastly better. Why pay for artificial
restrictions when withholding payment for a while would force the change?
Kevin Weaver
2008-03-14 10:21:25 UTC
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Post by nospamatall
Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by nospamatall
Post by MuahMan
Check out these graphs comparning the EDGE network and a EVDO network.
Edge =dialup
both are primitive and on the way out.
Might be primitive but not on the way out.
You think AT&T would just let all the iPhone users out of a contract ?
Yes I know, you're right, but the only restrictions on a completely
useable and easy network are the cell providers. There's no physical
reason it could not be vastly better. Why pay for artificial
restrictions when withholding payment for a while would force the change?
No, Reason is when you buy a iPhone you know what the speed is. You have a
trial to see if it will work for you. If not you return it. Keep it past the
time limit and you agree to the two yr.

Rumor is the new iPhone will have 3G. I don't understand this as when the
1st one came out. Apple said they cause major battery drain.

If they do add it to the next round of iPhone that statement will have been
a lie.
There have been no major power Improvements in the 3G chip.

If and when they do offer 3G the price of the data plan will be 35-40 a
month. Not the 20.00 there paying now.
4phun
2008-03-14 12:48:29 UTC
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Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by nospamatall
Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by nospamatall
Post by MuahMan
Check out these graphs comparning the EDGE network and a EVDO network.
Edge =dialup
both are primitive and on the way out.
Might be primitive but not on the way out.
You think AT&T would just let all the iPhone users out of a contract ?
Yes I know, you're right, but the only restrictions on a completely
useable and easy network are the cell providers. There's no physical
reason it could not be vastly better. Why pay for artificial
restrictions when withholding payment for a while would force the change?
No, Reason is when you buy a iPhone you know what the speed is. You have a
trial to see if it will work for you. If not you return it. Keep it past the
time limit and you agree to the two yr.
Rumor is the new iPhone will have 3G. I don't understand this as when the
1st one came out. Apple said they cause major battery drain.
If they do add it to the next round of iPhone that statement will have been
a lie.
There have been no major power Improvements in the 3G chip.
If and when they do offer 3G the price of the data plan will be 35-40 a
month. Not the 20.00 there paying now.
NEW INTEL CHIP

There is a new Intel chip that appears to be set for the 3G iPhone. It
is reported that it combines all the neat stuff you want in a phone in
one chip. It is due to ship in the second half of this year. A recent
Intel presentation had a display indicating the iPhone was one of the
platforms to use the chip. It is very efficient at 3G which is built
into the chip so the above post about 3G is inaccurate to say the
least.

It makes sense as it would be a lot easier to Apple to manage OSX on
all platforms if all of these used the same family of chips.

Will that make the current iPhone obsolete? Yes. Do I care? No, it is
worth every penny to use it right now.
DevilsPGD
2008-03-14 16:42:15 UTC
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Post by 4phun
There is a new Intel chip that appears to be set for the 3G iPhone. It
is reported that it combines all the neat stuff you want in a phone in
one chip. It is due to ship in the second half of this year. A recent
Intel presentation had a display indicating the iPhone was one of the
platforms to use the chip. It is very efficient at 3G which is built
into the chip so the above post about 3G is inaccurate to say the
least.
You're discussing a new chip, meaning it probably wasn't available to
Apple when they made the initial decision to avoid 3G.

That being said, with both my Razr2 V9 and my HTC 8925/AT&T TILT, I get
far better battery life in 3G mode then not, so perhaps the problem was
more in Apple's selection of chips?
Kevin Weaver
2008-03-14 17:32:04 UTC
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Post by 4phun
There is a new Intel chip that appears to be set for the 3G iPhone. It
is reported that it combines all the neat stuff you want in a phone in
one chip. It is due to ship in the second half of this year. A recent
Intel presentation had a display indicating the iPhone was one of the
platforms to use the chip. It is very efficient at 3G which is built
into the chip so the above post about 3G is inaccurate to say the
least.
You're discussing a new chip, meaning it probably wasn't available to
Apple when they made the initial decision to avoid 3G.
That being said, with both my Razr2 V9 and my HTC 8925/AT&T TILT, I get
far better battery life in 3G mode then not, so perhaps the problem was
more in Apple's selection of chips?
But your talking screen size when you compare the Razr and the iPhone.
The bigger the screen size the more drain on the battery. Which is the talk
about why apple did not use the 3G chip.

As for the tilt. The tilt battery is almost the size of the iPhone.

Maybe If Apple were to allow a battery door so that the user can change the
battery then again we all know why that wont happen.
DevilsPGD
2008-03-15 02:57:01 UTC
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Post by DevilsPGD
That being said, with both my Razr2 V9 and my HTC 8925/AT&T TILT, I get
far better battery life in 3G mode then not, so perhaps the problem was
more in Apple's selection of chips?
But your talking screen size when you compare the Razr and the iPhone.
The bigger the screen size the more drain on the battery.
That isn't important. I'm not comparing the Razr and iPhone battery.

Rather, I am comparing the Razr in GSM mode vs the same Razr in 3G mode.
Post by Kevin Weaver
As for the tilt. The tilt battery is almost the size of the iPhone.
See above.
Mitch
2008-04-06 08:31:14 UTC
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That being said, with both my Razr2 V9 and my HTC 8925/AT&T TILT, I get
far better battery life in 3G mode then not, so perhaps the problem was
more in Apple's selection of chips?
Offhand, I recall that the best-performing chip was in the middle of a
lawsuit, and Apple was playing the safer bet.

Mitch
2008-04-06 08:28:40 UTC
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Post by 4phun
Will that make the current iPhone obsolete? Yes. Do I care? No, it is
worth every penny to use it right now.
I wouldn't have used the word 'obsolete' -- people exaggerate and
overemphasize it far too much, too often -- but the rest is a VERY
important point.

When you buy something, tech or otherwise, you are not buying its
position in the market. Buying the top performer does not guarantee it
is going to be the top performer at all.
Same with buying the features current in some device; you aren't buying
the right to expect an upcoming device not to have more. In fact, you
should expect that most newer devices will, and it just comes down to
deciding when you need to buy.
Lewis
2008-03-15 13:41:22 UTC
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Rumor is the new iPhone will have 3G. I don't understand this as when the
1st one came out. Apple said they cause major battery drain.
It did.
Post by Kevin Weaver
If they do add it to the next round of iPhone that statement will have been
a lie.
Nope.
Post by Kevin Weaver
There have been no major power Improvements in the 3G chip.
Completely untrue.
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Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR.
Kevin Weaver
2008-03-15 14:25:49 UTC
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Post by Kevin Weaver
Rumor is the new iPhone will have 3G. I don't understand this as when the
1st one came out. Apple said they cause major battery drain.
It did.
Post by Kevin Weaver
If they do add it to the next round of iPhone that statement will have been
a lie.
Nope.
Post by Kevin Weaver
There have been no major power Improvements in the 3G chip.
Completely untrue.
Link ?
Post by Lewis
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Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR.
Lewis
2008-03-16 00:15:24 UTC
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Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
There have been no major power Improvements in the 3G chip.
Completely untrue.
Link ?
Other people have posted info about new chips.
--
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Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR.
Kevin Weaver
2008-03-16 01:55:33 UTC
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Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
There have been no major power Improvements in the 3G chip.
Completely untrue.
Link ?
Other people have posted info about new chips.
--
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Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR.
Where ? No link, No truth to it.
Lewis
2008-03-16 09:46:57 UTC
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Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
There have been no major power Improvements in the 3G chip.
Completely untrue.
Link ?
Other people have posted info about new chips.
Where ? No link, No truth to it.
Ah.. you're one of THOSE.

Try googling for: intel 3g mobile
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Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR.
Kevin Weaver
2008-03-16 16:50:52 UTC
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Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
There have been no major power Improvements in the 3G chip.
Completely untrue.
Link ?
Other people have posted info about new chips.
Where ? No link, No truth to it.
Ah.. you're one of THOSE.
Try googling for: intel 3g mobile
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Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR.
No, If anyone is going to counter then all they need to is show a link. If
they spend time saying it's going to be here and there then provide a link.

My point was, Apple said they used to much power about 4-6 months ago. If
they found a lower power 3G chip in that amount of time then great. Provide
link that apple is going to use said chip in a iPhone.

Happy hunting.
Alan Baker
2008-03-16 21:41:38 UTC
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Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
There have been no major power Improvements in the 3G chip.
Completely untrue.
Link ?
Other people have posted info about new chips.
Where ? No link, No truth to it.
Ah.. you're one of THOSE.
Try googling for: intel 3g mobile
Lewis, I told Edwin the same thing yesterday, and now I'll repeat it to
you: that's not the way the game is played.

You make a claim: *you* provide the link.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
John
2008-03-16 23:53:26 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
There have been no major power Improvements in the 3G chip.
Completely untrue.
Link ?
Other people have posted info about new chips.
Where ? No link, No truth to it.
Ah.. you're one of THOSE.
Try googling for: intel 3g mobile
Lewis, I told Edwin the same thing yesterday, and now I'll repeat it to
you: that's not the way the game is played.
You make a claim: *you* provide the link.
Alan Baker is such an ignoramus that he requires a link because he is too
stupid to Google something.
Alan Baker
2008-03-17 05:05:47 UTC
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Post by John
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
There have been no major power Improvements in the 3G chip.
Completely untrue.
Link ?
Other people have posted info about new chips.
Where ? No link, No truth to it.
Ah.. you're one of THOSE.
Try googling for: intel 3g mobile
Lewis, I told Edwin the same thing yesterday, and now I'll repeat it to
you: that's not the way the game is played.
You make a claim: *you* provide the link.
Alan Baker is such an ignoramus that he requires a link because he is too
stupid to Google something.
Nope.

I require that everyone who makes a claim provide the link when asked
(there's no need to support points which are not disputed) or admit they
cannot support their claim...

...even myself.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Snit
2008-03-17 05:06:47 UTC
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Post by John
Alan Baker is such an ignoramus that he requires a link because he is too
stupid to Google something.
Nope.
I require that everyone who makes a claim provide the link when asked
(there's no need to support points which are not disputed) or admit they
cannot support their claim...
...even myself.
Can you support that? :)
--
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing. - Unknown
Mayor of R'lyeh
2008-03-17 05:14:10 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by John
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
There have been no major power Improvements in the 3G chip.
Completely untrue.
Link ?
Other people have posted info about new chips.
Where ? No link, No truth to it.
Ah.. you're one of THOSE.
Try googling for: intel 3g mobile
Lewis, I told Edwin the same thing yesterday, and now I'll repeat it to
you: that's not the way the game is played.
You make a claim: *you* provide the link.
Alan Baker is such an ignoramus that he requires a link because he is too
stupid to Google something.
Nope.
I require that everyone who makes a claim provide the link when asked
(there's no need to support points which are not disputed) or admit they
cannot support their claim...
...even myself.
*cough* pure bullshit *cough*

To all those reading this outrageous lie who don't know him this is
from Alan 'I'll cry like a little girl until you give me a URL but
I'll never back up anything I say with one' Baker.
If he ever posted a link supporting his argument it was purely by
accident.
--
Why settle for the lesser evil?
Cthulhu for president 2008.
Alan Baker
2008-03-17 08:54:50 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by John
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
There have been no major power Improvements in the 3G chip.
Completely untrue.
Link ?
Other people have posted info about new chips.
Where ? No link, No truth to it.
Ah.. you're one of THOSE.
Try googling for: intel 3g mobile
Lewis, I told Edwin the same thing yesterday, and now I'll repeat it to
you: that's not the way the game is played.
You make a claim: *you* provide the link.
Alan Baker is such an ignoramus that he requires a link because he is too
stupid to Google something.
Nope.
I require that everyone who makes a claim provide the link when asked
(there's no need to support points which are not disputed) or admit they
cannot support their claim...
...even myself.
*cough* pure bullshit *cough*
To all those reading this outrageous lie who don't know him this is
from Alan 'I'll cry like a little girl until you give me a URL but
I'll never back up anything I say with one' Baker.
This is the reply from Clyde 'I'll libel anyone I don't like' St...

Oh, wait. Just typing your name is apparently reason enough for you to
posting something disgusting.
Post by Mayor of R'lyeh
If he ever posted a link supporting his argument it was purely by
accident.
As you well know, I've posted links hundreds of times.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
MuahMan
2008-03-17 17:49:43 UTC
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Post by Mayor of R'lyeh
Post by Alan Baker
Post by John
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
There have been no major power Improvements in the 3G chip.
Completely untrue.
Link ?
Other people have posted info about new chips.
Where ? No link, No truth to it.
Ah.. you're one of THOSE.
Try googling for: intel 3g mobile
Lewis, I told Edwin the same thing yesterday, and now I'll repeat it to
you: that's not the way the game is played.
You make a claim: *you* provide the link.
Alan Baker is such an ignoramus that he requires a link because he is too
stupid to Google something.
Nope.
I require that everyone who makes a claim provide the link when asked
(there's no need to support points which are not disputed) or admit they
cannot support their claim...
...even myself.
*cough* pure bullshit *cough*
To all those reading this outrageous lie who don't know him this is
from Alan 'I'll cry like a little girl until you give me a URL but
I'll never back up anything I say with one' Baker.
This is the reply from Clyde 'I'll libel anyone I don't like' St...
Oh, wait. Just typing your name is apparently reason enough for you to
posting something disgusting.
Post by Mayor of R'lyeh
If he ever posted a link supporting his argument it was purely by
accident.
As you well know, I've posted links hundreds of times.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Alan, you're outted. You're a liar, a rapist, and stalker, a prank caller,
and a Mac user. You are pond scum.
Todd Allcock
2008-03-18 04:31:09 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Mayor of R'lyeh
Post by Alan Baker
I require that everyone who makes a claim provide the link when asked
(there's no need to support points which are not disputed) or admit
they cannot support their claim...
...even myself.
*cough* pure bullshit *cough*
To all those reading this outrageous lie who don't know him this is
from Alan 'I'll cry like a little girl until you give me a URL but
I'll never back up anything I say with one' Baker.
This is the reply from Clyde 'I'll libel anyone I don't like' St...
Oh, wait. Just typing your name is apparently reason enough for you to
posting something disgusting.
Post by Mayor of R'lyeh
If he ever posted a link supporting his argument it was purely by
accident.
As you well know, I've posted links hundreds of times.
Alan, you're outted. You're a liar, a rapist, and stalker, a prank
caller, and a Mac user. You are pond scum.
Oh, goodie. Oxford's f¥¢&ing crossposting has the CSMA gang back here in
the alt.cellular groups. Take it back to CSMA, kids. Three months later
and it's still the same old name calling crap... Do you guys have this
crap in macros to save time typing?
Elmo P. Shagnasty
2008-03-17 11:36:06 UTC
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Post by Mayor of R'lyeh
To all those reading this outrageous lie who don't know him this is
from Alan 'I'll cry like a little girl until you give me a URL but
I'll never back up anything I say with one' Baker.
If he ever posted a link supporting his argument it was purely by
accident.
You misspelled "John Navas".
MuahMan
2008-03-17 17:48:42 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
There have been no major power Improvements in the 3G chip.
Completely untrue.
Link ?
Other people have posted info about new chips.
Where ? No link, No truth to it.
Ah.. you're one of THOSE.
Try googling for: intel 3g mobile
Lewis, I told Edwin the same thing yesterday, and now I'll repeat it to
you: that's not the way the game is played.
You make a claim: *you* provide the link.
Alan Baker is such an ignoramus that he requires a link because he is too
stupid to Google something.
He is certainly an ignoramus. The other day he was trying to tell me how
affiliatte networks payout. LOL He thought I had to pay them to market
their offers. bwahahahaha
Lewis
2008-03-17 05:34:43 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by Lewis
Post by Kevin Weaver
There have been no major power Improvements in the 3G chip.
Completely untrue.
Link ?
Other people have posted info about new chips.
Where ? No link, No truth to it.
Ah.. you're one of THOSE.
Try googling for: intel 3g mobile
Lewis, I told Edwin the same thing yesterday, and now I'll repeat it to
you: that's not the way the game is played.
You make a claim: *you* provide the link.
Other people already provided links and quotes from those links. Kevin
is just a troll.
--
Bart: This is the worst day of my life.
Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR.
DTC
2008-03-14 01:48:15 UTC
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Post by MuahMan
Check out these graphs comparning the EDGE network and a EVDO network.
Edge =dialup
both are primitive and on the way out.
Compared to what comparable and available technology?

Don't suggest nation wide fantasy WiFi like Oxford did or undeployed
LTE.
nospamatall
2008-03-14 10:09:52 UTC
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Post by nospamatall
Post by MuahMan
Check out these graphs comparning the EDGE network and a EVDO
network. Edge =dialup
both are primitive and on the way out.
Compared to what comparable and available technology?
Don't suggest nation wide fantasy WiFi like Oxford did or undeployed
LTE.
The only reason that is not happening is because the owners of the
physical infrastructure don't want it to. By giving them your money for
their deliberately inferior service you're just prolonging their luddite
hegemony.

Andy
n***@gmail.com
2008-03-13 19:00:44 UTC
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Post by n***@gmail.com
Hey all,
I'm seriously considering getting out of my current Verizon phone
contract and paying all the money I'm going to have to pay to make the
switch to something more robust.
Quick background --
I work for Big Corporate America where I'm essentially cut off from a
lot of things during the day while at work (thank god not Google
Groups.)  I can't access my personal email (gmail, yahoo, road runner,
etc) and I'm blocked from a lot of websites.  I need a device that
will allow me to at least check personal email (so I can cut down on
the amount of personal emails I get and make at work) and perhaps
access a few sites.  [btw -  when I've mentioned this before, people
go on tangental rants about how I shouldn't want to check personal
emails while at work, don't I work?, etc -- that's up to me and yes, I
do work -- very hard... but I've had enough of being cut off during
the day and being so restricted and until I can get another job that
liberates me I need a solution]
So I'm exploring options.
I'm thinking the best solution is to go with the iPhone, but I wanted
to get some feedback from users of either iPhones or other devices
(BlackBerry, Palm, etc) on what works, what doesn't work, what you can
do, what you can't do, features, things you don't like (usability),
things you like, etc.
Any feedback on devices is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
If you can't get on WiFi at work do not get an iPhone. EDGE is 100% unusable
for surfing. It takes over 3 minutes load EPSN.com. If you can get on a wifi
with it the browser is nice. The Blackberries tell you when you get an
email, the iPhone doesn't. You have to actually check, which is annoying. I
have both an BB8830 and an iPhone (won it for a doing a certain amount of
volume with an affiliatte network). Overall the BB gets the slight nod.- Hide quoted text -
Great feedback. Great to know. Thanks!
Lewis
2008-03-13 20:59:21 UTC
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Post by MuahMan
It takes over 3 minutes load EPSN.com.
It takes nearly that long on a 10bT connection. That is one SHITTY site.
--
Bart: This is the worst day of my life.
Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR.
unknown
2008-03-13 22:56:42 UTC
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Post by Kevin Weaver
Post by MuahMan
Post by n***@gmail.com
Hey all,
I'm seriously considering getting out of my current Verizon phone
contract and paying all the money I'm going to have to pay to make the
switch to something more robust.
Quick background --
I work for Big Corporate America where I'm essentially cut off from a
lot of things during the day while at work (thank god not Google
Groups.)  I can't access my personal email (gmail, yahoo, road runner,
etc) and I'm blocked from a lot of websites.  I need a device that
will allow me to at least check personal email (so I can cut down on
the amount of personal emails I get and make at work) and perhaps
access a few sites.  [btw -  when I've mentioned this before, people
go on tangental rants about how I shouldn't want to check personal
emails while at work, don't I work?, etc -- that's up to me and yes, I
do work -- very hard... but I've had enough of being cut off during
the day and being so restricted and until I can get another job that
liberates me I need a solution]
So I'm exploring options.
I'm thinking the best solution is to go with the iPhone, but I wanted
to get some feedback from users of either iPhones or other devices
(BlackBerry, Palm, etc) on what works, what doesn't work, what you can
do, what you can't do, features, things you don't like (usability),
things you like, etc.
Any feedback on devices is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
If you can't get on WiFi at work do not get an iPhone. EDGE is 100% unusab
le
Post by MuahMan
for surfing. It takes over 3 minutes load EPSN.com. If you can get on a wi
fi
Post by MuahMan
with it the browser is nice. The Blackberries tell you when you get an
email, the iPhone doesn't. You have to actually check, which is annoying.
I
Post by MuahMan
have both an BB8830 and an iPhone (won it for a doing a certain amount of
volume with an affiliatte network). Overall the BB gets the slight nod.- H
ide quoted text -
Great feedback. Great to know. Thanks!
While the initial complaint is indeed true - that EDGE is indeed slower
than EDVO - it takes a bit more to pull up ESPN.com than, say,
macrumors.com on a cell phone. Additionally, he's leaving out that on
the iPhone, with a REAL browser, you get the real webpage (minus flash
and java), not the WAP version, also known as the wannabe internet for
those mobile devices that can't hack it.

I'll stop ranting against the non-Mac people here. In June, iPhone
firmware 2.0 will be released. That release will have enterprise
support for iPhone, so the Crackberry will most certainly seen less and
less in the workspace. I bought my iPhone on the first day, and have
never looked back. I'm not allowed to use it on my company's network,
and the building in which I work has extra shielding against emanations
(thank you, US Army grrrr), so any cellphone is pretty much useless
about 3-5 feet inboard of the exterior windows/walls.

I have used a Treo before and believe me, you will LOVE the typing on
the iPhone, once you get accustomed to the keyboard layout. Thank God
for no tiny chiclet styled "keys". It's not that I have large fingers,
but it's much easier to type on my iPhone than on my former Treo, which
was dumped for the iPhone. Yes, there are more apps for the Treo and
Crackberry, but that will change in June, once developers can start
distributing their iPhone apps.

I say wait until at least late June to do an honest comparison between
the iPhone and the pretenders. You can tell by my comments that I am
heavily biased towards the iPhone, but that's because, at least for me,
there is NO other phone that can compare. You must do your own
research, but wait until at least late June, so that the iPhone will
have a comparable enterprise-level software suite and the beginning of
new apps.
Todd Allcock
2008-03-14 01:06:54 UTC
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While the initial complaint is indeed true - that EDGE is indeed slower
than EDVO - it takes a bit more to pull up ESPN.com than, say,
macrumors.com on a cell phone. Additionally, he's leaving out that on the
iPhone, with a REAL browser, you get the real webpage (minus flash and
java), not the WAP version, also known as the wannabe internet for those
mobile devices that can't hack it.
And yet, despite the "REAL browser," many websites have created "iPhone
formatted webpages." Which, of course, makes perfect sense, because mobile
formatted webpages (like WAP, XHTML, etc.) have multiple purpose- one, of
course, is for the less-featured browsers of "wannabe" phones, but
stripped-down sites also help deal with the small displays (even the
iPhone's beautiful display is a tenth of the size of a laptop monitor- just
because it CAN display a "real" page doesn't make it comfortable to read!
Also, mobile pages load quickly even with the less-than-broadband speeds
many phones work at. ESPN's WAP page loads much quicker than their real
page!

I use a good many WAP/mobile webpages on my home PC (at least the ones that
let me and don't use my User Agent to redirect me to the "real" site.
Accuweather's PDA page (before they ruined it!) used to pop up a nice simple
5-day forcast without animated GIFs, popups and adverts of the full
Accuweather site.
Post by unknown
I'll stop ranting against the non-Mac people here. In June, iPhone
firmware 2.0 will be released. That release will have enterprise support
for iPhone, so the Crackberry will most certainly seen less and less in
the workspace.
Doubtful. The iPhone will support Exchange, not BES. Too many corporations
are hung up on the perceived advantages of BES to switch. Windows Mobile
introduced EAS (Exchange over Activesync- the Exchange support the iPhone
will use) several years ago and it hasn't convinced the enterprise to give
up BES.

What iPhone enterprise support WILL do, is let the corporate higher-ups use
their personal iPhones for Exchange without giving the IT guys heart attacks
about "security." The rank-and-file will still be Crackberried.
Larry
2008-03-14 03:07:40 UTC
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Post by unknown
Additionally, he's leaving out that on
the iPhone, with a REAL browser, you get the real webpage (minus flash
Real web browsers have Flash and can play Youtube videos without a special
conversion website....(c;
4phun
2008-03-14 04:27:16 UTC
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Post by Larry
Post by unknown
Additionally, he's leaving out that on
the iPhone, with a REAL browser, you get the real webpage (minus flash
Real web browsers have Flash and can play Youtube videos without a special
conversion website....(c
REAL WEB BROWSERS AND FLASH ARE INSECURE

There is a huge downside to flash!

Web sites can place secret flash cookies on your device for tracking
you. These are almost impossible to delete as they are not normal
cookies but a secret feature of flash. Banks love flash for this
reason. Now you tell me who is the smart one Apple or the sheep who
demand a browser with Macromedia's flash code?

Do a web search for the involved directions for deleting and blocking
flash cookies. That is not a fun process and most will not be able to
do it. Hello, I bet most Verizon and Sprint users were unaware of the
existance of web sites using flash tracking options on their devices
including their PC.

AT&T iPhone users do not have that worry.
MuahMan
2008-03-14 05:45:36 UTC
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AT&T iPhone users do not have that worry.


They don't have that worry not for the lack of flash but rather because you
get tired of waiting 3-5 minutes for the page to load and go do something
else. EDGE is fucking terrible. That you mactards try to make it sound good
is hysterical.
Larry
2008-03-14 15:58:55 UTC
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Post by MuahMan
They don't have that worry not for the lack of flash but rather
because you get tired of waiting 3-5 minutes for the page to load and
go do something else.
I think EDGE is the reason it doesn't have Flash, and anything else that
webpage streams......because ATT doesn't want irate iPhone owners calling
them to complain about the shitty data service crawling along like dirt.
MuahMan
2008-03-15 01:08:41 UTC
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Post by Larry
Post by MuahMan
They don't have that worry not for the lack of flash but rather
because you get tired of waiting 3-5 minutes for the page to load and
go do something else.
I think EDGE is the reason it doesn't have Flash, and anything else that
webpage streams......because ATT doesn't want irate iPhone owners calling
them to complain about the shitty data service crawling along like dirt.
It's just so slow. It's a shame too because it is the best cell phone
browser.
anon
2008-03-16 01:53:17 UTC
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Post by Larry
I think EDGE is the reason it doesn't have Flash, and anything else that
webpage streams......because ATT doesn't want irate iPhone owners calling
them to complain about the shitty data service crawling along like dirt.
Not really. Most of us iPhone users are getting online via WiFi.
A fact you three iPhone haters will never get on your outdated toys you
use.
The Bob
2008-03-16 02:01:57 UTC
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Post by anon
Post by Larry
I think EDGE is the reason it doesn't have Flash, and anything else
that webpage streams......because ATT doesn't want irate iPhone
owners calling them to complain about the shitty data service
crawling along like dirt.
Not really. Most of us iPhone users are getting online via WiFi.
A fact you three iPhone haters will never get on your outdated toys
you use.
Then you admit to having no desire to be truly mobile. How interesting.
anon
2008-03-16 02:50:56 UTC
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Post by The Bob
Post by anon
Post by Larry
I think EDGE is the reason it doesn't have Flash, and anything else
that webpage streams......because ATT doesn't want irate iPhone
owners calling them to complain about the shitty data service
crawling along like dirt.
Not really. Most of us iPhone users are getting online via WiFi.
A fact you three iPhone haters will never get on your outdated toys
you use.
Then you admit to having no desire to be truly mobile. How interesting.
Huh?? It's called being totally mobile. Hard to explain to someone
crawling along on the 3G network. Perhaps someday you will understand if
or when your toy phone cacthes up. I wouldn't count on it though.
Larry
2008-03-16 03:23:31 UTC
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Post by anon
Huh?? It's called being totally mobile. Hard to explain to someone
crawling along on the 3G network. Perhaps someday you will understand if
or when your toy phone cacthes up. I wouldn't count on it though.
I find it hard to swallow, myself. When I came home from the country, two
days ago, I was listening to KSEY in Seymour, Texas, playing texas swing
and cowboy music while Maemo Mapper was displaying my position precisely in
the lane of the roads I was driving down, downloading more mosaic squares
of satellite photos overlaid with street/road names from the server, on
Alltel's archaic EVDO broadband, which blankets Eastern SC quite well.

As you may guess, I'm no fan of sellphone carriers, but it serves its
purpose at times like these until something better comes along.....

Data actually flows better in the boondocks because I don't have to compete
with other users for EVDO service, I suppose.
E***@spamblock.panix.com
2008-03-17 11:54:31 UTC
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Post by Larry
Data actually flows better in the boondocks because I don't have to compete
with other users for EVDO service, I suppose.
Is that true? I noticed that I got MUCH faster EVDO in Vermont than I get
in Boston. Is the reason that there is more bandwidth/user?
--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel
Larry
2008-03-17 13:43:29 UTC
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Post by E***@spamblock.panix.com
Is that true? I noticed that I got MUCH faster EVDO in Vermont than I
get in Boston. Is the reason that there is more bandwidth/user?
Sure. Sellphone bandwidth, just like cable bandwidth is a SHARED resource.
In Boston, or any heavily populated area, there are thousands of users
fighting over X bandwidth. In VT, the bandwidth just sits there with
occasional use. Country people, in general of course, are much less
technology addicted than city people, like us. I bet if we went to rural
VT and polled 1000 sellphone users, a tiny fraction of them use or even
know data service exists. They just got them off AMPS, kicking and
screaming because these little toyphones really suck in the country because
the infrastructure to support them simply isn't built....and probably never
will be. Remember all those dead zones you were in?

So, some smartass from Boston comes in with his FancyFone 5000 and has the
whole bandwidth to himself....capped, of course, by the company's
hobblings. The sellphone runs as fast as they'll let it.

It's not real busy in the boondocks.....I stream Xiph and Shoutcast out
there a lot.

In Boston, you have to share what the company has, which is never enough,
with all the other Boston smartasses with FancyFone 5000s...(c; They'll
buy more bandwidth if enough corporate users start rattling their sabres
and churning....
E***@spamblock.panix.com
2008-03-18 12:16:25 UTC
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Post by Larry
Post by E***@spamblock.panix.com
Is that true? I noticed that I got MUCH faster EVDO in Vermont than I
get in Boston. Is the reason that there is more bandwidth/user?
Sure. Sellphone bandwidth, just like cable bandwidth is a SHARED resource.
Ah. I suspected that, but I don't really know how it works.

When I connect, are there a limited number of slots open? Like the old
days of dialup, when only x number of physical modems were hooked up at
the ISP's digs? Does the system use someting simiar to NAT? Do I have a
unique IP address when I connect?
--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel
Richard B. Gilbert
2008-03-18 13:08:23 UTC
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Post by Larry
Post by E***@spamblock.panix.com
Is that true? I noticed that I got MUCH faster EVDO in Vermont than I
get in Boston. Is the reason that there is more bandwidth/user?
Sure. Sellphone bandwidth, just like cable bandwidth is a SHARED resource.
Ah. I suspected that, but I don't really know how it works.
When I connect, are there a limited number of slots open? Like the old
days of dialup, when only x number of physical modems were hooked up at
the ISP's digs? Does the system use someting simiar to NAT? Do I have a
unique IP address when I connect?
It's the "size of the pipe" upstream from the tower. A service called
"T1" offers 1 million bits per second, "T3" is faster still (45 million
bits/second????). These technologies are used to connect central
offices to each other. Customers with high bandwidth requirements also
use them. T1 will cost you somewhere between $500 and $800 per month
and handle something like 64 simultaneous voice calls. T3 is between
$4000 and $6000 per month. Fiber optic technology is also used.

Whatever the size of the pipe, you must share it with everyone else
using the tower. I suspect that each tower is limited to some modest
number of simultaneous connections. I suspect that by doubling up on
equipment each physical tower can act as two towers.
Lewis
2008-03-18 13:22:37 UTC
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Post by Richard B. Gilbert
It's the "size of the pipe" upstream from the tower. A service called
"T1" offers 1 million bits per second,
A T1 is 1.544Mbits. It is also 24 phone lines.
Post by Richard B. Gilbert
"T3" is faster still (45 million bits/second????)
I believe a T3 is 24 T1s, so about 36.5 Mbits/sec. It might be 28 though (43Mbit).
Post by Richard B. Gilbert
These technologies are used to connect central
offices to each other. Customers with high bandwidth requirements also
use them. T1 will cost you somewhere between $500 and $800 per month
and handle something like 64 simultaneous voice calls. T3 is between
$4000 and $6000 per month. Fiber optic technology is also used.
T1's run as low as $250-300/month. Fiber connections are usually referred to
as OC-## (like OC-12). A OC-3 is 100 T1s. OC-#s run about $20K-$40K a month.

None of this has anything to do with the speed of EDGE networks off cell towers.
--
Stomach in! Chest out! on your marks! get set! GO! Now, now that you're
free, what are you gonna be? Who are you gonna see? And where, where
will you go, and how will you know you didn't get it all wro-o-o-o-o-ng?
Larry
2008-03-18 19:00:21 UTC
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Post by E***@spamblock.panix.com
When I connect, are there a limited number of slots open? Like the
old days of dialup, when only x number of physical modems were hooked
up at the ISP's digs? Does the system use someting simiar to NAT? Do
I have a unique IP address when I connect?
The hackers have an IP grabber software that runs in my N800 tablet. That
software always reports a PPP connection on my Alltel tethered link, with
the correct IP assigned for the call from Alltel, so I assume the Sellular
link is PPP, at least on EVDO. The phone reports "Packet data" and
"DORMANT" like a PPP connection is. I doubt there's a reachable limit of
connections. I do have a dynamic assigned IP the software reports that
works fine with "Peekaboo", an application to turn the N800 tablet into an
html-addressable webcam. Too bad the IP changes with every connection for
Peekaboo as you have to tell your "audience" what your new html address is
to see through the cam. It handles 4 or 5 simultaneous html connects just
fine before it starts slowing down on EVDO. If someone wants to see
something while I'm talking to them on Skype or the Sellphone, I'll pop out
the cam and boot Peekaboo to show it to them....in realtime, 640x480 color
and audio....(c;
Dick C
2008-03-21 04:38:11 UTC
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wrote in alt.cellular.verizon
Post by E***@spamblock.panix.com
Post by Larry
Post by E***@spamblock.panix.com
Is that true? I noticed that I got MUCH faster EVDO in Vermont than
I get in Boston. Is the reason that there is more bandwidth/user?
Sure. Sellphone bandwidth, just like cable bandwidth is a SHARED resource.
Ah. I suspected that, but I don't really know how it works.
When I connect, are there a limited number of slots open? Like the old
days of dialup, when only x number of physical modems were hooked up at
the ISP's digs? Does the system use someting simiar to NAT? Do I have
a unique IP address when I connect?
CDMA does not use slots per say, but when the cell towers start to reach
saturation the data will slow. GSM uses slots, the way you are thinking.
But, as I said, there is a limit on the amount of information being
passed in and out of the towers, whether it is data or voice. And yes,
for this reason you can get faster speeds in the country. On the other
hand if you were to look at a map of cell towers in a large city vs the
country you would see an amazing difference in the number of towers. I know
ATT's map of Manhattan looks the entire island is built of nothing but
their towers.
The down side of getting data away from the city becomes a matter of
signal strength. The farther away from a tower the lower the signal
and after a point the speed degrades.
--
Dick #1349
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
~Benjamin Franklin

Home Page: dickcr.iwarp.com
email: ***@gmail.net
SMS
2008-03-21 19:15:29 UTC
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Post by Dick C
The down side of getting data away from the city becomes a matter of
signal strength. The farther away from a tower the lower the signal
and after a point the speed degrades.
I was in Taipei last week. The coverage was incredibly good, both on
CDMA and GSM, both in the city and out in the mountains (where I
expected poor coverage based on the U.S. model of rural coverage). Since
all the carriers are island-wide, there are no "rural" carriers to pawn
off the hard to cover areas on.

The only problem was that it was incredibly hard to actually make or
receive a call at the trade show on my GSM phone with a prepaid SIM
card. My friend in Taiwan warned me that he wouldn't be able to call me,
and that I would have trouble using my phone, so I called him from one
of the two pay phones in the entire convention center that took coins.
This is a brand new convention center, and this was the first trade show
held there. It's rather sad that the carriers couldn't address the
capacity issue with more cells, but maybe they were already at the limit
for the area. How close together can the GSM cells be, and how many can
be in a small area to improve capacity?

The CDMA phone worked fine, but I wasn't willing to make many
$1.49/minute calls roaming with my Verizon phone! I'm sure the reason
that CDMA worked is because CDMA is pretty new in Taiwan and there
aren't a lot of subscribers on the CDMA system yet. I just noticed that
Verizon has lowered the roaming rate in Taiwan to $1.29/minute, but this
is still pretty outrageous.
Larry
2008-03-21 23:25:35 UTC
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Post by SMS
My friend in Taiwan warned me that he wouldn't be able to call me,
and that I would have trouble using my phone, so I called him from one
of the two pay phones in the entire convention center that took coins.
This is a brand new convention center, and this was the first trade show
held there.
Did you test the availability of wifi at the new convention center? Sounds
like a great place to use Skype or some VoIP if there's broadband
inside....and in Taiwan I bet there was plenty to use.
The Bob
2008-03-16 05:04:05 UTC
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Post by anon
Post by The Bob
Post by anon
Post by Larry
I think EDGE is the reason it doesn't have Flash, and anything else
that webpage streams......because ATT doesn't want irate iPhone
owners calling them to complain about the shitty data service
crawling along like dirt.
Not really. Most of us iPhone users are getting online via WiFi.
A fact you three iPhone haters will never get on your outdated toys
you use.
Then you admit to having no desire to be truly mobile. How interesting.
Huh?? It's called being totally mobile. Hard to explain to someone
crawling along on the 3G network. Perhaps someday you will understand if
or when your toy phone cacthes up. I wouldn't count on it though.
You're not mobile with that overpriced iPod.

With that 3G connection, I can update an entire billing system while on my
way to work. I can set off a series of macros that verify import of data
and kick off a ton of reporting, all while driving to work.

You can't do that with your static wifi connection. Perhaps someday you
will understand if or when your toy phone catches up. I wouldn't count on
it though.
Larry
2008-03-16 15:25:13 UTC
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Post by The Bob
You're not mobile with that overpriced iPod.
With that 3G connection, I can update an entire billing system while
on my way to work. I can set off a series of macros that verify
import of data and kick off a ton of reporting, all while driving to
work.
You can't do that with your static wifi connection. Perhaps someday
you will understand if or when your toy phone catches up. I wouldn't
count on it though.
Precisely the reason why his toy iPhone will never be a "business device"
Apple is hawking.
MuahMan
2008-03-17 17:53:04 UTC
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Post by Larry
Post by The Bob
You're not mobile with that overpriced iPod.
With that 3G connection, I can update an entire billing system while
on my way to work. I can set off a series of macros that verify
import of data and kick off a ton of reporting, all while driving to
work.
You can't do that with your static wifi connection. Perhaps someday
you will understand if or when your toy phone catches up. I wouldn't
count on it though.
Precisely the reason why his toy iPhone will never be a "business device"
Apple is hawking.
LOL @ the iPhone worshippers. Ooooh it's so much fun when you are driving
around and even when the occassional WiFi network is found it's all locked
down. So valuable. I can tell all the locked down WiFi's in the area while
i'm surfing the next at 9600 baud on the Edge network. What a treat.
Thankfully I also have a blackberry running at broadband speeds.
E***@spamblock.panix.com
2008-03-14 12:30:11 UTC
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Post by 4phun
REAL WEB BROWSERS AND FLASH ARE INSECURE
There is a huge downside to flash!
Yes. Same with email. Same with other web pages.
--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel
Larry
2008-03-14 15:57:27 UTC
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Post by 4phun
REAL WEB BROWSERS AND FLASH ARE INSECURE
Oh! Is THAT the reason this PoS doesn't produce Flash webpages like EVERY
OTHER COMPUTER ON THE PLANET, INCLUDING FANBOIZ' MAC?
Lewis
2008-03-15 13:43:43 UTC
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Post by Larry
Post by 4phun
REAL WEB BROWSERS AND FLASH ARE INSECURE
Oh! Is THAT the reason this PoS doesn't produce Flash webpages like EVERY
OTHER COMPUTER ON THE PLANET, INCLUDING FANBOIZ' MAC?
None of my computers produce flash pages because I work rather hard to
disable flash. 95% of it is total crap.
--
Bart: This is the worst day of my life.
Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR.
Larry
2008-03-15 19:35:44 UTC
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Post by Lewis
None of my computers produce flash pages because I work rather hard to
disable flash. 95% of it is total crap.
You'll LOVE Iphone. It hardly does anything like Flash or other addons.
Steve Hix
2008-03-14 06:30:50 UTC
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Post by Larry
Post by unknown
Additionally, he's leaving out that on
the iPhone, with a REAL browser, you get the real webpage (minus flash
Real web browsers have Flash and can play Youtube videos without a special
conversion website....(c;
Flash emulates a mechanical bilge pump.

Which is not to say that bilge pumps aren't useful, mind.
Alan Baker
2008-03-14 02:53:24 UTC
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Post by MuahMan
You have to actually check, which is annoying. I
have both an BB8830 and an iPhone (won it for a doing a certain amount of
volume with an affiliatte network).
Huh...

A trust fund baby does work for affiliate networks?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
MuahMan
2008-03-14 05:43:56 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
You have to actually check, which is annoying. I
have both an BB8830 and an iPhone (won it for a doing a certain amount of
volume with an affiliatte network).
Huh...
A trust fund baby does work for affiliate networks?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Yeah, do 15k a month with Azoogle. You get a free iPhone. I wake up at noon
and hit send, then go to the beach.
Alan Baker
2008-03-14 05:47:29 UTC
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Post by MuahMan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
You have to actually check, which is annoying. I
have both an BB8830 and an iPhone (won it for a doing a certain amount of
volume with an affiliatte network).
Huh...
A trust fund baby does work for affiliate networks?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Yeah, do 15k a month with Azoogle. You get a free iPhone. I wake up at noon
and hit send, then go to the beach.
I believe you might work with some sleaze ball outfit.

The question is: why, trust fund baby? Why bother if you can afford
iPhones out of your pocket change?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
MuahMan
2008-03-14 05:58:49 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
You have to actually check, which is annoying. I
have both an BB8830 and an iPhone (won it for a doing a certain amount of
volume with an affiliatte network).
Huh...
A trust fund baby does work for affiliate networks?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Yeah, do 15k a month with Azoogle. You get a free iPhone. I wake up at noon
and hit send, then go to the beach.
I believe you might work with some sleaze ball outfit.
The question is: why, trust fund baby? Why bother if you can afford
iPhones out of your pocket change?
--
Because making 25k a month for clicking a button is too good of a gig to
pass up. What if my 6,250.00 a month residual checks stop coming? Paris
Hilton is a trust fund baby, she works. Warren Buffet's kids.... work. We
all work, we just don't have to.
Chance Furlong
2008-03-14 06:33:37 UTC
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Paris Hilton is a trust fund baby, she works.
And Paris Hilton photos are the only pussy you get.
Alan Baker
2008-03-14 06:56:09 UTC
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Post by MuahMan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
You have to actually check, which is annoying. I
have both an BB8830 and an iPhone (won it for a doing a certain amount of
volume with an affiliatte network).
Huh...
A trust fund baby does work for affiliate networks?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Yeah, do 15k a month with Azoogle. You get a free iPhone. I wake up at noon
and hit send, then go to the beach.
I believe you might work with some sleaze ball outfit.
The question is: why, trust fund baby? Why bother if you can afford
iPhones out of your pocket change?
--
Because making 25k a month for clicking a button is too good of a gig to
pass up. What if my 6,250.00 a month residual checks stop coming? Paris
Hilton is a trust fund baby, she works. Warren Buffet's kids.... work. We
all work, we just don't have to.
LOL

Now you make 25K a month? And all they give you for a bonus is an iPhone.

Pratt-fall: you *got* to start dreaming up more coherent lies.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
MuahMan
2008-03-14 07:30:18 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
You have to actually check, which is annoying. I
have both an BB8830 and an iPhone (won it for a doing a certain
amount
of
volume with an affiliatte network).
Huh...
A trust fund baby does work for affiliate networks?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Yeah, do 15k a month with Azoogle. You get a free iPhone. I wake up at noon
and hit send, then go to the beach.
I believe you might work with some sleaze ball outfit.
The question is: why, trust fund baby? Why bother if you can afford
iPhones out of your pocket change?
--
Because making 25k a month for clicking a button is too good of a gig to
pass up. What if my 6,250.00 a month residual checks stop coming? Paris
Hilton is a trust fund baby, she works. Warren Buffet's kids.... work. We
all work, we just don't have to.
LOL
Now you make 25K a month? And all they give you for a bonus is an iPhone.
Pratt-fall: you *got* to start dreaming up more coherent lies.
25k a month is NOTHING for revenue. 50K gets you a trip to Hawaii. 100k, a
Harley. Etc..... Gee, online marketing; another subject you know nothing
about what a surprise. They won't even do Net 7 until you AVERAGE 40k a
month. You are an idiot.
Alan Baker
2008-03-14 07:52:46 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
You have to actually check, which is annoying. I
have both an BB8830 and an iPhone (won it for a doing a certain
amount
of
volume with an affiliatte network).
Huh...
A trust fund baby does work for affiliate networks?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Yeah, do 15k a month with Azoogle. You get a free iPhone. I wake up at noon
and hit send, then go to the beach.
I believe you might work with some sleaze ball outfit.
The question is: why, trust fund baby? Why bother if you can afford
iPhones out of your pocket change?
--
Because making 25k a month for clicking a button is too good of a gig to
pass up. What if my 6,250.00 a month residual checks stop coming? Paris
Hilton is a trust fund baby, she works. Warren Buffet's kids.... work. We
all work, we just don't have to.
LOL
Now you make 25K a month? And all they give you for a bonus is an iPhone.
Pratt-fall: you *got* to start dreaming up more coherent lies.
25k a month is NOTHING for revenue. 50K gets you a trip to Hawaii. 100k, a
Harley. Etc..... Gee, online marketing; another subject you know nothing
about what a surprise. They won't even do Net 7 until you AVERAGE 40k a
month. You are an idiot.
So you don't make 25K a month, now?

What we know is that your "online marketing" is just spam.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
MuahMan
2008-03-14 07:58:28 UTC
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Post by MuahMan
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Post by MuahMan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
You have to actually check, which is annoying. I
have both an BB8830 and an iPhone (won it for a doing a certain
amount
of
volume with an affiliatte network).
Huh...
A trust fund baby does work for affiliate networks?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if
you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Yeah, do 15k a month with Azoogle. You get a free iPhone. I wake up
at
noon
and hit send, then go to the beach.
I believe you might work with some sleaze ball outfit.
The question is: why, trust fund baby? Why bother if you can afford
iPhones out of your pocket change?
--
Because making 25k a month for clicking a button is too good of a gig to
pass up. What if my 6,250.00 a month residual checks stop coming? Paris
Hilton is a trust fund baby, she works. Warren Buffet's kids....
work.
We
all work, we just don't have to.
LOL
Now you make 25K a month? And all they give you for a bonus is an iPhone.
Pratt-fall: you *got* to start dreaming up more coherent lies.
25k a month is NOTHING for revenue. 50K gets you a trip to Hawaii. 100k, a
Harley. Etc..... Gee, online marketing; another subject you know nothing
about what a surprise. They won't even do Net 7 until you AVERAGE 40k a
month. You are an idiot.
So you don't make 25K a month, now?
What we know is that your "online marketing" is just spam.
Nope, not every month. Like every July and August when i'm Costa Rica,
Panama, and Nicaruaga surfing(I'm sure your stalking ass has seen the photos
and videos of me tearing up 10+ foot Playa Negra). Then I have to live on my
paltry residual checks. It all depends on how many leads I get. Spam!?!?!?
Guffaw. It's called High Volume Email Deployment Engineering to double
opt-in newsletter subscribers. You really know NOTHING about online
marketing do you. You think I just wave a magic wand and make exactly 25k a
month? LOL... You are an idiot. Go help some kids on the tow rope of the
bunny hill. When your broken hip heals. LOL@ you.
Alan Baker
2008-03-14 08:05:41 UTC
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Post by MuahMan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
You have to actually check, which is annoying. I
have both an BB8830 and an iPhone (won it for a doing a certain
amount
of
volume with an affiliatte network).
Huh...
A trust fund baby does work for affiliate networks?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that
wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if
you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Yeah, do 15k a month with Azoogle. You get a free iPhone. I wake up
at
noon
and hit send, then go to the beach.
I believe you might work with some sleaze ball outfit.
The question is: why, trust fund baby? Why bother if you can afford
iPhones out of your pocket change?
--
Because making 25k a month for clicking a button is too good of a gig to
pass up. What if my 6,250.00 a month residual checks stop coming? Paris
Hilton is a trust fund baby, she works. Warren Buffet's kids....
work.
We
all work, we just don't have to.
LOL
Now you make 25K a month? And all they give you for a bonus is an iPhone.
Pratt-fall: you *got* to start dreaming up more coherent lies.
25k a month is NOTHING for revenue. 50K gets you a trip to Hawaii. 100k, a
Harley. Etc..... Gee, online marketing; another subject you know nothing
about what a surprise. They won't even do Net 7 until you AVERAGE 40k a
month. You are an idiot.
So you don't make 25K a month, now?
What we know is that your "online marketing" is just spam.
Nope, not every month. Like every July and August when i'm Costa Rica,
Panama, and Nicaruaga surfing(I'm sure your stalking ass has seen the photos
and videos of me tearing up 10+ foot Playa Negra). Then I have to live on my
paltry residual checks. It all depends on how many leads I get. Spam!?!?!?
Guffaw. It's called High Volume Email Deployment Engineering to double
opt-in newsletter subscribers. You really know NOTHING about online
marketing do you. You think I just wave a magic wand and make exactly 25k a
month? LOL... You are an idiot. Go help some kids on the tow rope of the
So now 25K in revenue becomes 25K made by you again.

Maybe the reason you can't get out of your mom's house is that you don't
understand the difference between revenue (what other people paid the
company), profit (what the company keeps after expenses), and your wages
(one of the company's expenses along with the iPhone).

LOL
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
MuahMan
2008-03-14 08:12:59 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
You have to actually check, which is annoying. I
have both an BB8830 and an iPhone (won it for a doing a certain
amount
of
volume with an affiliatte network).
Huh...
A trust fund baby does work for affiliate networks?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that
wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if
you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Yeah, do 15k a month with Azoogle. You get a free iPhone. I wake up
at
noon
and hit send, then go to the beach.
I believe you might work with some sleaze ball outfit.
The question is: why, trust fund baby? Why bother if you can afford
iPhones out of your pocket change?
--
Because making 25k a month for clicking a button is too good of a
gig
to
pass up. What if my 6,250.00 a month residual checks stop coming? Paris
Hilton is a trust fund baby, she works. Warren Buffet's kids....
work.
We
all work, we just don't have to.
LOL
Now you make 25K a month? And all they give you for a bonus is an iPhone.
Pratt-fall: you *got* to start dreaming up more coherent lies.
25k a month is NOTHING for revenue. 50K gets you a trip to Hawaii.
100k,
a
Harley. Etc..... Gee, online marketing; another subject you know nothing
about what a surprise. They won't even do Net 7 until you AVERAGE 40k a
month. You are an idiot.
So you don't make 25K a month, now?
What we know is that your "online marketing" is just spam.
Nope, not every month. Like every July and August when i'm Costa Rica,
Panama, and Nicaruaga surfing(I'm sure your stalking ass has seen the photos
and videos of me tearing up 10+ foot Playa Negra). Then I have to live on my
paltry residual checks. It all depends on how many leads I get.
Spam!?!?!?
Guffaw. It's called High Volume Email Deployment Engineering to double
opt-in newsletter subscribers. You really know NOTHING about online
marketing do you. You think I just wave a magic wand and make exactly 25k a
month? LOL... You are an idiot. Go help some kids on the tow rope of the
So now 25K in revenue becomes 25K made by you again.
Maybe the reason you can't get out of your mom's house is that you don't
understand the difference between revenue (what other people paid the
company), profit (what the company keeps after expenses), and your wages
(one of the company's expenses along with the iPhone).
LOL
25k in revenue becomes exactly 25K made by me. Minus $229 per server with a
Class C. Keep 5-8 of them cranking 24/7 365. Life is GOOOOOOD! Move your
servers every so often to avoid any blacklists on your IPs...
Wooooooooohooooooooooo Buy some fresh data once a year.....
Get the checks, jumble the money around in-case some douche trys to sue you
for UCE. Takes about 1/2 hour a day to rake in the cash. Hit 150 million in
boxes a month, convert at like 25-30% on some gift card offers, $1.75 per
email submit. BAM. Take off to Costa Rica, check in on your banks, hit the
beach, surf, bang sluts. REPEAT!

But I'm just kidding. I would never do any of that.
Alan Baker
2008-03-14 08:23:13 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
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]..
.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
You have to actually check, which is annoying. I
have both an BB8830 and an iPhone (won it for a doing a
certain
amount
of
volume with an affiliatte network).
Huh...
A trust fund baby does work for affiliate networks?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from
that
wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic
effect
if
you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Yeah, do 15k a month with Azoogle. You get a free iPhone. I wake up
at
noon
and hit send, then go to the beach.
I believe you might work with some sleaze ball outfit.
The question is: why, trust fund baby? Why bother if you can afford
iPhones out of your pocket change?
--
Because making 25k a month for clicking a button is too good of a
gig
to
pass up. What if my 6,250.00 a month residual checks stop coming? Paris
Hilton is a trust fund baby, she works. Warren Buffet's kids....
work.
We
all work, we just don't have to.
LOL
Now you make 25K a month? And all they give you for a bonus is an iPhone.
Pratt-fall: you *got* to start dreaming up more coherent lies.
25k a month is NOTHING for revenue. 50K gets you a trip to Hawaii.
100k,
a
Harley. Etc..... Gee, online marketing; another subject you know nothing
about what a surprise. They won't even do Net 7 until you AVERAGE 40k a
month. You are an idiot.
So you don't make 25K a month, now?
What we know is that your "online marketing" is just spam.
Nope, not every month. Like every July and August when i'm Costa Rica,
Panama, and Nicaruaga surfing(I'm sure your stalking ass has seen the photos
and videos of me tearing up 10+ foot Playa Negra). Then I have to live on my
paltry residual checks. It all depends on how many leads I get.
Spam!?!?!?
Guffaw. It's called High Volume Email Deployment Engineering to double
opt-in newsletter subscribers. You really know NOTHING about online
marketing do you. You think I just wave a magic wand and make exactly 25k a
month? LOL... You are an idiot. Go help some kids on the tow rope of the
So now 25K in revenue becomes 25K made by you again.
Maybe the reason you can't get out of your mom's house is that you don't
understand the difference between revenue (what other people paid the
company), profit (what the company keeps after expenses), and your wages
(one of the company's expenses along with the iPhone).
LOL
25k in revenue becomes exactly 25K made by me. Minus $229 per server with a
Class C. Keep 5-8 of them cranking 24/7 365. Life is GOOOOOOD! Move your
servers every so often to avoid any blacklists on your IPs...
So the "affiliatte network" just does everything for free, do they? They
gave you an iPod for making $25K for yourself on $25K of revenue, did
they?
Post by MuahMan
Wooooooooohooooooooooo Buy some fresh data once a year.....
Get the checks, jumble the money around in-case some douche trys to sue you
for UCE. Takes about 1/2 hour a day to rake in the cash. Hit 150 million in
boxes a month, convert at like 25-30% on some gift card offers, $1.75 per
email submit. BAM. Take off to Costa Rica, check in on your banks, hit the
beach, surf, bang sluts. REPEAT!
But I'm just kidding. I would never do any of that.
I know, because your business failed, you got evicted from your
apartment, and you had to move back in with your mom.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
MuahMan
2008-03-14 08:37:20 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
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Post by MuahMan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
]..
.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
You have to actually check, which is annoying. I
have both an BB8830 and an iPhone (won it for a doing a
certain
amount
of
volume with an affiliatte network).
Huh...
A trust fund baby does work for affiliate networks?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from
that
wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic
effect
if
you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Yeah, do 15k a month with Azoogle. You get a free iPhone. I
wake
up
at
noon
and hit send, then go to the beach.
I believe you might work with some sleaze ball outfit.
The question is: why, trust fund baby? Why bother if you can afford
iPhones out of your pocket change?
--
Because making 25k a month for clicking a button is too good of a
gig
to
pass up. What if my 6,250.00 a month residual checks stop
coming?
Paris
Hilton is a trust fund baby, she works. Warren Buffet's kids....
work.
We
all work, we just don't have to.
LOL
Now you make 25K a month? And all they give you for a bonus is an iPhone.
Pratt-fall: you *got* to start dreaming up more coherent lies.
25k a month is NOTHING for revenue. 50K gets you a trip to Hawaii.
100k,
a
Harley. Etc..... Gee, online marketing; another subject you know nothing
about what a surprise. They won't even do Net 7 until you AVERAGE
40k
a
month. You are an idiot.
So you don't make 25K a month, now?
What we know is that your "online marketing" is just spam.
Nope, not every month. Like every July and August when i'm Costa Rica,
Panama, and Nicaruaga surfing(I'm sure your stalking ass has seen the photos
and videos of me tearing up 10+ foot Playa Negra). Then I have to live
on
my
paltry residual checks. It all depends on how many leads I get.
Spam!?!?!?
Guffaw. It's called High Volume Email Deployment Engineering to double
opt-in newsletter subscribers. You really know NOTHING about online
marketing do you. You think I just wave a magic wand and make exactly
25k
a
month? LOL... You are an idiot. Go help some kids on the tow rope of the
So now 25K in revenue becomes 25K made by you again.
Maybe the reason you can't get out of your mom's house is that you don't
understand the difference between revenue (what other people paid the
company), profit (what the company keeps after expenses), and your wages
(one of the company's expenses along with the iPhone).
LOL
25k in revenue becomes exactly 25K made by me. Minus $229 per server with a
Class C. Keep 5-8 of them cranking 24/7 365. Life is GOOOOOOD! Move your
servers every so often to avoid any blacklists on your IPs...
So the "affiliatte network" just does everything for free, do they? They
gave you an iPod for making $25K for yourself on $25K of revenue, did
they?
You think the advertisers CHARGE you to get their offers out there?!?!?! LOL

You really know NOTHING about online marketing. This discussion is pointless
until you get educated on the subject. It's all free, they offer prizes for
volume because there is serious competition for the Affiliatte networks.
This month if you do 10k in volume for this one certain product you get a
free 32" HDTV. Just crap incentives to keep you from marketing from another
affilliatte.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
Wooooooooohooooooooooo Buy some fresh data once a year.....
Get the checks, jumble the money around in-case some douche trys to sue you
for UCE. Takes about 1/2 hour a day to rake in the cash. Hit 150 million in
boxes a month, convert at like 25-30% on some gift card offers, $1.75 per
email submit. BAM. Take off to Costa Rica, check in on your banks, hit the
beach, surf, bang sluts. REPEAT!
But I'm just kidding. I would never do any of that.
I know, because your business failed, you got evicted from your
apartment, and you had to move back in with your mom.
LOL, Your an idiot. No wonder you; Alan Baker from Vancouver BC got caught
and convicted of rape.

You need better research skills. Bwahahahaha
Post by Alan Baker
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
MuahMan
2008-03-14 08:43:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by MuahMan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
]..
.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
You have to actually check, which is annoying. I
have both an BB8830 and an iPhone (won it for a doing a
certain
amount
of
volume with an affiliatte network).
Huh...
A trust fund baby does work for affiliate networks?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace
from
that
wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic
effect
if
you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Yeah, do 15k a month with Azoogle. You get a free iPhone. I
wake
up
at
noon
and hit send, then go to the beach.
I believe you might work with some sleaze ball outfit.
The question is: why, trust fund baby? Why bother if you can
afford
iPhones out of your pocket change?
--
Because making 25k a month for clicking a button is too good of a
gig
to
pass up. What if my 6,250.00 a month residual checks stop
coming?
Paris
Hilton is a trust fund baby, she works. Warren Buffet's kids....
work.
We
all work, we just don't have to.
LOL
Now you make 25K a month? And all they give you for a bonus is
an
iPhone.
Pratt-fall: you *got* to start dreaming up more coherent lies.
25k a month is NOTHING for revenue. 50K gets you a trip to Hawaii.
100k,
a
Harley. Etc..... Gee, online marketing; another subject you know nothing
about what a surprise. They won't even do Net 7 until you AVERAGE
40k
a
month. You are an idiot.
So you don't make 25K a month, now?
What we know is that your "online marketing" is just spam.
Nope, not every month. Like every July and August when i'm Costa Rica,
Panama, and Nicaruaga surfing(I'm sure your stalking ass has seen the photos
and videos of me tearing up 10+ foot Playa Negra). Then I have to
live on
my
paltry residual checks. It all depends on how many leads I get.
Spam!?!?!?
Guffaw. It's called High Volume Email Deployment Engineering to double
opt-in newsletter subscribers. You really know NOTHING about online
marketing do you. You think I just wave a magic wand and make exactly
25k
a
month? LOL... You are an idiot. Go help some kids on the tow rope of the
So now 25K in revenue becomes 25K made by you again.
Maybe the reason you can't get out of your mom's house is that you don't
understand the difference between revenue (what other people paid the
company), profit (what the company keeps after expenses), and your wages
(one of the company's expenses along with the iPhone).
LOL
25k in revenue becomes exactly 25K made by me. Minus $229 per server with a
Class C. Keep 5-8 of them cranking 24/7 365. Life is GOOOOOOD! Move your
servers every so often to avoid any blacklists on your IPs...
So the "affiliatte network" just does everything for free, do they? They
gave you an iPod for making $25K for yourself on $25K of revenue, did
they?
You think the advertisers CHARGE you to get their offers out there?!?!?! LOL
You really know NOTHING about online marketing. This discussion is
pointless until you get educated on the subject. It's all free, they offer
prizes for volume because there is serious competition for the Affiliatte
networks. This month if you do 10k in volume for this one certain product
you get a free 32" HDTV. Just crap incentives to keep you from marketing
from another affilliatte.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
Wooooooooohooooooooooo Buy some fresh data once a year.....
Get the checks, jumble the money around in-case some douche trys to sue you
for UCE. Takes about 1/2 hour a day to rake in the cash. Hit 150 million in
boxes a month, convert at like 25-30% on some gift card offers, $1.75 per
email submit. BAM. Take off to Costa Rica, check in on your banks, hit the
beach, surf, bang sluts. REPEAT!
But I'm just kidding. I would never do any of that.
I know, because your business failed, you got evicted from your
apartment, and you had to move back in with your mom.
LOL, Your an idiot. No wonder you; Alan Baker from Vancouver BC got caught
and convicted of rape.
You need better research skills. Bwahahahaha
Post by Alan Baker
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
You too can have a free iPhone!

Just submit your email and fill out the form!!!

http://publishers.clickbooth.com/ez/dxrxhxcymykb/&dp=2447772
Chance Furlong
2008-03-14 06:31:24 UTC
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Post by MuahMan
Yeah, do 15k a month with Azoogle. You get a free iPhone. I wake up at noon
and hit send, then go to the beach.
Do you enjoy having sand kicked in your face? You should not get into
Charles Atlas' face and mouth off to him.
Lewis
2008-03-14 06:26:34 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by MuahMan
You have to actually check, which is annoying. I
have both an BB8830 and an iPhone (won it for a doing a certain amount of
volume with an affiliatte network).
Huh...
A trust fund baby does work for affiliate networks?
Heh heh.

We should dub him Liar Jr, to distinguish him from Liar.
--
Bart: This is the worst day of my life.
Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR.
Larry
2008-03-14 02:38:38 UTC
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Any feedback on devices is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
I'm gonna catch hell, but it rolls off pretty quick.....

Iphone is a WebTV device. It will do emails, browse webpages, but
requires hacking, voiding any warranty and the required ATT ToS to do
so. Caveat Emptor.

A much more sensable approach for your problem would be to keep your
current cellphone carrier you don't seem angry with and get one of his
Bluetooth phones that supports DUN (dial up networking) for a small
extra charge, not a full-blown aircard contract at $60+. Make SURE your
carrier permits "tethering" a computer to the phone on their system. If
you are a Verizon customer, you're pretty screwed already with their
stupid limited data service of 5GB/mo for $50 + 50 cents per MEGABYTE,
not gigabyte, over that....a real ripoff similar to SMS.

Ok, you have a tetherable phone. Do you already have a laptop you carry
around with you? If so, you need only a USB cable or Bluetooth dongle
that plugs into the USB port on the laptop to tether the laptop to the
phone for data. Your laptop is ALWAYS better than any handheld toy
gadget for typing, reading, using as a computer, not a video game and
MP3 player. The tethered device is NOT controlled by some SELLphone
carrier hell bent on keeping any app that actually uses the bandwidth
they are selling over as tiny a bit of data as they can get away
with....email and simple webpage browsing. What nonsense. THEY control
everything on a Sellphone so they can sell you more and nickel and dime
you to death every month's billing cycle. Your laptop is out of their
reach and remains as unincumbered as it has always been. The IT
department in your company might, however, have locked up the company
laptop to prevent you from tethering it. Ask them what the policy is.
They USUALLY don't bite, even when growling how stupid everyone else in
the company is. Pocket some Meaty Bones before going to IT is not a bad
idea....

If you don't want to know about Nokia's tablet, stop reading here....

If you MUST have near-pocket portability, or sit daydreaming of the
chick factor of such a device, I have made the right decision for myself
by buying the really cool Nokia N800 internet tablet, which will
bluetooth connect to the phone for on-the-go internet service the phone
provides wirelessly to it, or will connect to ANY wifi internet service
that allows it to connect:
http://www.nseries.com/n800
http://www.nseries.com/n810
are the company webpages with neat flash sales toys.

There is a marked difference between the Iphone and these devices. The
Iphone is tightly controlled by Apple, and to a lesser extent because of
a honey deal with Apple ATT Wireless, formerly called Cingular. This
device hooks to a 2G EDGE system that is only slightly faster than your
old dialup modem....slower than dirt. Being free to connect the N800 to
ANY system you desire, not just ATT or T-mobile (if hacked), you are
free to negotiate the best data deal with the fastest carrier who permit
unlimited, unencumbered internet service at the best price. In the
Southeast, that is Alltel, $25/mo for high speed EVDO internet at 800-
1200 kbps, depending upon the system load and where you are. Alltel
provides great service, here, not limited, as is ATT, to just cities and
on interstate corridors. Alltel doesn't care what I run on their system
and hasn't complained of my heavy usage streaming
video/audio/downloading software/etc., as long as I pay my bill...the
way it should be. $25/mo is EXTRA, not my cellphone bill, which is $39
for 800 minutes with free N/W, M2M, long distance, etc. The point is
YOU are free to chose who YOU want to be your data carrier, not Apple
Corp. and its "partners" ATT.

The tablet runs a version of Debian Linux called Maemo for tablets,
designed and fully supported by Nokia, the largest wireless company in
the world. Nokia is totally committed to open source Linux development
and the N810 is the 3rd generation tablet to prove it. My 2nd
generation tablet is FREE to upgrade to the OS2008 version of Maemo
Linux by simply running a simple Windows program that reflashes the
tablet and NEVER leaves you with a useless brick! Even if you do
something really nasty and crash the whole operating system on the
device, you are a couple of clicks and 8 minutes away from restoring it
and starting over as if the tablet just came out of the box....it's
really simple.

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT LINUX OR BE A HACKER TO USE THIS
DEVICE!

Nokia handed out hundreds of tablets to the Linux geniuses, created
maemo.org web domain to give them a place to operate from and provide
the common user owners a central repository of software that installs by
a simple click on a GREEN ARROW on the software's download page,
directly from the tablet. It's much simpler to install Linux software
to the N800/N810 than it is to your Windows XP or Vista because of an
application manager that is part of the Maemo operating system. The
silly thing even updates ALL the software at once from a central server
at the click of one button on application manager. It's VERY simple to
operate and update and use.

Browse to http://www.maemo.org/ and have a look around. Enter:
N800
or N810
into Youtube.com and there are lots of nice videos showing newbies how
to install and use the tablet for your viewing pleasure. There is also
an open forum where very experienced tablet hackers provide excellent
support to users for free:
http://www.internettablettalk.com/
The website belongs to a very dedicated tablet hacker and has become a
central forum for tablet owners and developers to help each other and
share ideas. Feel free to join the forums and ask these guys the most
pointed questions about its use and utility in your environment.

Your company IT guys are all Linux lovers. Owning the tablet will
endear you to them and will make them, also, a great source of help and
encouragement. Don't worry about becoming a Linux expert until you just
can't stand it any more. YOU are in full control of the tablet. There
are real Linux tools to take you to that day. When you're ready, you
can have full root access to the device without begging some corporation
to let you do what you want......or not, up to YOU, not "them". I bet
your IT guys have them, already. They are not "new", just out. The
N800 is over a year old, its bugs very maturely fixed. It never crashes
and its apps are LINUX, not Microsoft, so when an app crashes, it
doesn't bring down the house with it like Win apps do.

At Maemo.org, look in the DOWNLOAD section at the current list of user
software available for the tablet. The OS2007 has over 200 apps for
free from these Linux geniuses across the planet. There are other apps
not listed from other sources, too!

The email app from Nokia is a compact, full-featured email client, but
there are other email programs the hackers wrote that have other
features they didn't find in the standard client. YOU choose, not
"them".

The tablet has many ways of inputting text, not just finger-width large
buttons of the iPhone's capacitive finger screen. (Iphone does not have
an accurate, finely pitched, touchscreen. That's the reason it has no
stylus. There's no need. The N800 uses a virtual stylus keyboard with
its PDA-style stylus that resembles, onscreen, the keyboard of your PC,
complete with a 10-key numeric keypad that triple shifts to get every
one of the 256 ASCII character set, not just letters and numbers. If
you touch a text entry box with the stylus, N800 pops up the stylus
keyboard UNDER the app, not in place of it, so you can see it filling
the box. If you touch the box with your finger, N800 pops up a FULL
SCREEN finger keyboard with pads larger than iPhone for easy finger
entry. I don't like fingers because they always leave some kind of
residue from the fingers behind you have to clean off. The stylus is
much more precise, to the width of its tiny pointed end, and leaves no
marks....especially during lunch! The tablet also supports taking the
stylus and simply "writing" in your own handwriting right into the box
or line or word processor as if you were making a note. The tablet's OS
will convert your written text, in your own handwriting, into typed
characters, all of them. There is a learning utility in its control
panel you use just once to show the tablet your handwriting so it
doesn't have to guess what that squiggly line with the little tale is no
human has ever written before. Writing on it, once it learns, is easy
and quite natural. Some smartasses just posted a "sticky notes"
program, ported from desktop Linux, that actually lets you leave a hand
written sticky note. There are several stylus drawing programs for the
tablet. I use them to make schematics of electronic circuits I'm either
designing or fixing. I use Abiword (www.abisource.com). There is a
specially-formatted version for the Nokia tablets of this full-featured
word processor you can also download for free for your desktop
(linux/Windows or OSX on the Mac). A whole suite of office apps for
Linux has been ported to the little tablets, already. These are mature,
stable and very complex programs that the Linux community has been
working on for years. You'll see Gnumeric on maemo.org, a massive,
full-featured spreadsheet program so vast I don't know what half its
mathematical functions actually do. I'm not mathematician. Gnumeric
was designed by mathematicians for Linux for many years. It's tablet
port merely makes better use of the small screen. Gnumeric is also
available for your PC, if you like. There are several database
programs, SSH client and server programs to connect securely to your
corporate SSH system, and other office-type softwares available. Most
webpages use the Apache Linux webpage server. It's even been ported to
the tablet. You can have a web server in your pocket, once you get
interested in being one.

Communications.....

The tablet was purchased here, initially as the first pocketable device
that supported Skype, the really neat internet phone system....that
would logon to free wifi servers in airports, restaurants, hotels that
require a WEB BROWSER to logon to their free wifi hotspots. I'm an avid
Skype user and supporter since its inception way back. Skype is a
fantastic communications device for audio, video, file sharing, texting,
conferencing, broadcasting that has 256-bit encryption even the NSA
isn't going to hack to listen to you tell your girlfriend what terrible
fetish you are going to involve her with, tonight....making her squirm
in anticipation. Skype is free, unless you want to interconnect it to
the world's telephone system. Read about it www.skype.com. Skype Pro
talks to 20 countries for $3/mo and all the others for a small
fee/minute...FAR LESS THAN SELLPHONE ripoff charges. To date, the
tablet's small webcam isn't supported by Skype, my only beef with it.

The webcam IS supported by other web comm apps such as Google Talk,
Yahoo, and the other freebies. You press a little button on the left
end of the N800 and the webcam pops out against your finger. It rotates
270 degrees so you can point it away from the tablet, automatically
flipping the image so its upright, so you can show your friends what
"she" looks like on the stage of your favorite strip joint. It's NOT A
GOOD STILL CAMERA, but your sellphone already has a good camera. The
tablet cams ARE good WEBCAMS the phones will never support because they
use bandwidth and the sellphone company doesn't like it. A hacker wrote
"Peekaboo" for the tablets. Peekaboo is a full web server for the
little camera. You pop out the cam and close the automatically-booting
video comm app to Googletalk. Boot Peekaboo and it connects to the cam
noting your IP. To see what the cam sees, with full audio, you only
need to boot a browser anywhere on the planet and browse to the Peekaboo
website it creates on your IP when you boot it:
http://(your IP address)/
Of course, you'll need the simple tutorial, right?
http://peekaboo.garage.maemo.org/tutorial.html
No....don't think about it....Your girlfriend will KILL YOU!...(C;
Watch the video on this webpage and it will show you how really EASY and
SIMPLE it is to install any user apps on the tablets....He installs and
operates Peekaboo for you.

STORAGE - REMOVABLE AND UNENCUMBERED

The N800 supports TWO SDHC common memory cards, one "internal" inside
the battery cover (YES, UNLIKE IPHONE YOU CAN CHANGE THE COMMONLY
AVAILABLE NOKIA CELLPHONE BATTERY THAT POWERS THE TABLET BY JUST POPPING
IT OUT!), and one "external" memory card inside a little plastic door
under the handle, which also serves as a tilt stand so you can watch the
latest movies. I've just upgraded my storage on my N800 to 32GB using
two A-Data 16GB SDHC Class 6 Turbo memory cards from Newegg.com for $59
ea.! STANDARD memory is SO cheap! 32GB is a massive storage on a Linux
computer where the program files are TINY!, compared to OSX or Windows.
The big apps are 2-4MB. The small apps are 20K! Linux apps are TINY!
But, alas, they soon fill up with music and movies and satellite mosaic
photos for Maemo Mapper or Navicore talking GPS navigation software....
(sigh).

DISPLAY - a comparison......

Iphone -
Display 16M colors
Size 320 x 480 pixels, 3.5 inches

N8xx tablets -
http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT9561669149.html
"Along with an ARM1136 core clocked at 320MHz, the OMAP2420 integrates a
220MHz TMS320C55x DSP (digital signal processor) and an Imagination
Technologies PowerVR MBX graphics coprocessor. The SoC also integrates a
veritable panoply of on-chip peripheral interfaces."
THE FEATURES ON THIS WEBPAGE ARE WAY OUT OF DATE. 32GB MEMORY WORKS, if
you can afford it.

The tablet has a full-featured DSP and Imagination Technologies PowerVR
MBX 3D graphics coprocessor. The display is a REAL 800 pixels wide, not
half a webpage, the whole webpage! The video played from a DivX movie
looks just like HDTV, even after compressing it to save storage memory
space with the really neat Media Converter the Linux hackers wrote for
it....yet another free app:
https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mediaconverter/
Media Converter is for Linux/Windows/Mac and is great even if you never
buy the tablet. A full length Divx movie in MP4 format that will play
on most sellphones is only 380KB and is beautiful!
800 pixels wide means you need not ZOOM in and out to look at webpages.
You get to see the FULL WIDTH. A button puts the tablet in full-screen
mode.

Well, as you may tell, I did my homework and am thrilled with the
results. I also don't like corporations telling me what I can and can't
do, at their whim...whether Apple or some SELLphone company. That
sucks.

Go to:
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=N800&search_type=
and the other tablet addicts will show you more. Watch about Maemo
Mapper and the tiny GPS receiver for it. I also have the Nokia folding
Bluetooth keyboard to write those emails WITHOUT the two fingered or
thumb typing, which always sucks over 10 characters....(c;

Oh, all this is MUCH CHEAPER than Iphone, too!:
http://www.buy.com/retail/usersearchresults.asp?
querytype=home&qu=Nokia+N800&qxt=home&display=col&dclksa=1
$232

Oh, no! They got something NEW! Sandisk Video Memory Card Recorder!
AND THEY GOT A DEAL WITH THE TABLET!!.....argggh....
Tinman
2008-03-14 04:39:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by n***@gmail.com
Hey all,
I'm seriously considering getting out of my current Verizon phone
contract and paying all the money I'm going to have to pay to make the
switch to something more robust.
Quick background --
I work for Big Corporate America where I'm essentially cut off from a
lot of things during the day while at work (thank god not Google
Groups.) I can't access my personal email (gmail, yahoo, road runner,
etc) and I'm blocked from a lot of websites. I need a device that
will allow me to at least check personal email (so I can cut down on
the amount of personal emails I get and make at work) and perhaps
access a few sites. [btw - when I've mentioned this before, people
go on tangental rants about how I shouldn't want to check personal
emails while at work, don't I work?, etc -- that's up to me and yes, I
do work -- very hard... but I've had enough of being cut off during
the day and being so restricted and until I can get another job that
liberates me I need a solution]
So I'm exploring options.
I'm thinking the best solution is to go with the iPhone, but I wanted
to get some feedback from users of either iPhones or other devices
(BlackBerry, Palm, etc) on what works, what doesn't work, what you can
do, what you can't do, features, things you don't like (usability),
things you like, etc.
Any feedback on devices is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
The iPhone would be fine for what you describe, and a joy to use to boot.
I've owned one since July. Sorry about some of the idiots who have already
replied. This place (a.c.a) seems to have more than its share, at least when
the subject of the iPhone comes up. They obsess over a device they proclaim
to not care about. Very strange.

Don't believe the comments that EDGE is unusable too: I use it every single
day and have no complaints with it. Plus, you asked if it was OK for email
and perhaps a few Website. Of course it is. Sure, WiFi is faster, but that
by no means makes EDGE "100% unusable" <chuckle>.

In any case this is not the place to get an objective opinion. If you
haven't already, go down to an Apple store and try one for yourself.

Finally, there is another option. You can buy an iPhone and unlock it. This
can be done in less than 2 minutes with an app called ZiPhone. Anyone can do
it now. It will also let you access the hundreds, if not thousands, of
downloads for the iPhone--and I mean real third-party apps, not Web apps.
Some of these apps are truly amazing, and unlike anything available for
other platforms (iPhysics, for example). At the very least this will let you
try out the iPhone without committing to a contract with at&t.

Also visit everythingicafe.com to see how iPhone users feel about the
device. Surely you will find people in the same situation as you, though
keep in mind some are also diehard Apple supporters who like anything made
by Apple.
--
Mike
4phun
2008-03-14 12:55:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tinman
Post by n***@gmail.com
Hey all,
I'm seriously considering getting out of my current Verizon phone
contract and paying all the money I'm going to have to pay to make the
switch to something more robust.
Quick background --
I work for Big Corporate America where I'm essentially cut off from a
lot of things during the day while at work (thank god not Google
Groups.)  I can't access my personal email (gmail, yahoo, road runner,
etc) and I'm blocked from a lot of websites.  I need a device that
will allow me to at least check personal email (so I can cut down on
the amount of personal emails I get and make at work) and perhaps
access a few sites.  [btw -  when I've mentioned this before, people
go on tangental rants about how I shouldn't want to check personal
emails while at work, don't I work?, etc -- that's up to me and yes, I
do work -- very hard... but I've had enough of being cut off during
the day and being so restricted and until I can get another job that
liberates me I need a solution]
So I'm exploring options.
I'm thinking the best solution is to go with the iPhone, but I wanted
to get some feedback from users of either iPhones or other devices
(BlackBerry, Palm, etc) on what works, what doesn't work, what you can
do, what you can't do, features, things you don't like (usability),
things you like, etc.
Any feedback on devices is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
The iPhone would be fine for what you describe, and a joy to use to boot.
I've owned one since July. Sorry about some of the idiots who have already
replied. This place (a.c.a) seems to have more than its share, at least when
the subject of the iPhone comes up. They obsess over a device they proclaim
to not care about. Very strange.
Don't believe the comments that EDGE is unusable too: I use it every single
day and have no complaints with it. Plus, you asked if it was OK for email
and perhaps a few Website. Of course it is. Sure, WiFi is faster, but that
by no means makes EDGE "100% unusable" <chuckle>.
In any case this is not the place to get an objective opinion. If you
haven't already, go down to an Apple store and try one for yourself.
Finally, there is another option. You can buy an iPhone and unlock it. This
can be done in less than 2 minutes with an app called ZiPhone. Anyone can do
it now. It will also let you access the hundreds, if not thousands, of
downloads for the iPhone--and I mean real third-party apps, not Web apps.
Some of these apps are truly amazing, and unlike anything available for
other platforms (iPhysics, for example). At the very least this will let you
try out the iPhone without committing to a contract with at&t.
Also visit everythingicafe.com to see how iPhone users feel about the
device. Surely you will find people in the same situation as you, though
keep in mind some are also diehard Apple supporters who like anything made
by Apple.
--
Mike- Hide quoted text -
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A satisfied iPhone user?
http://revver.com/video/339339/waveees-words-of-wisdom-cell-phone-model-purchase-plan/
Thundercleets
2008-03-17 14:28:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by n***@gmail.com
Hey all,
I'm seriously considering getting out of my current Verizon phone
contract and paying all the money I'm going to have to pay to make the
switch to something more robust.
Quick background --
I work for Big Corporate America where I'm essentially cut off from a
lot of things during the day while at work (thank god not Google
Groups.) I can't access my personal email (gmail, yahoo, road runner,
etc) and I'm blocked from a lot of websites. I need a device that
will allow me to at least check personal email (so I can cut down on
the amount of personal emails I get and make at work) and perhaps
access a few sites. [btw - when I've mentioned this before, people
go on tangental rants about how I shouldn't want to check personal
emails while at work, don't I work?, etc -- that's up to me and yes, I
do work -- very hard... but I've had enough of being cut off during
the day and being so restricted and until I can get another job that
liberates me I need a solution]
So I'm exploring options.
I'm thinking the best solution is to go with the iPhone, but I wanted
to get some feedback from users of either iPhones or other devices
(BlackBerry, Palm, etc) on what works, what doesn't work, what you can
do, what you can't do, features, things you don't like (usability),
things you like, etc.
Any feedback on devices is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
I think it is ironic that big corp. is restricting Internet access.
While I think they have to restrict access to pron to protect
themselves legally things have gone too far.

If you restrict Internet access because you don't trust your employees
to have the work ethic to make sure they do their jobs then you have
other problems.
Besides of late most of the real corporate fraud occurs from the top
down and maybe it always has.

Blackberry is expensive.
Less is you don't use RIM BES or Internet.

Palm is still expensive if you want to do corporate mail.

iPhone is nice and you can do Exchange without having buy a service
like Palm.
Yes you can do forwarding and stuff like that with all of them.
You are locked into AT&T (The we and the NSA would like to get to know
you company) without hacking the phone.
So you better like AT&T or else.

The catch you will run into is that these kinds of things all need
data services and sometimes Internet services as well as voice.
Like always the service is the expensive part.
Larry
2008-03-17 20:39:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Thundercleets
iPhone is nice and you can do Exchange without having buy a service
like Palm.
Yes you can do forwarding and stuff like that with all of them.
You are locked into AT&T (The we and the NSA would like to get to know
you company) without hacking the phone.
So you better like AT&T or else.
What are the company rules about bringing in CAMERAS? MANY, many companies
FORBID employees from bringing in cameras to spy on the company and copy
evidence of the company's wrongdoings and secrets.

The camera in an iPhone, or most smartphones, excludes them from ever
becoming a "business tool" to replace the PDAs and Blackberrys that don't
have cameras, on purpose.

Before riding the iphone/smartphone to work, you'd better see what the
company says about possession of private cameras on company property. They
take this very seriously.

Iphone will never be a serious business tool as long as the employees can
take pictures from it.
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